Did Scmidt set new record

mikemosconi said:
NO I am not willie Mosconi's son, nor his relative- never claimed to be either on this site nor anywhere else. Is it OK to have this Italian last name- or is THAT being challenged on this site too? Lots of people here seem to have problems with just other people's opinions- maybe some of us here have long, long histories in this game, such as myself, and want to see certain parts of the game's history respected and not turned into a "for profit circus" which is how I personally see this type of contrived attempt to claim some type of billiard crowning achievement. I believe, very strongly, that Wiilie Mosconi would have run way more than 526 if THAT was his desire due to some monetary gain available to help support his family- that was NEVER the case in his era- he just ran 526 as an afterthought to an exhibition on a whim urged on by the crowd on that date! It's just an opinion folks, as worthy as the next!
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I agree with you. If there had been a big financial reward for running 700 I think Willie would have done it. Dallas West once said he thought he could break the 526 if someone would put up a financial reward for doing so. He felt the record would fall if a big enough reward was put on it. If someone put up $20,000 or better yet $50,000 and let players take a ball in hand break start for $50 and keep the pot building until the record is broken. Let it be done at Derby City and the Super Billiards Expo on 9 foot normal Diamond tables and see how long it stands.
 
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lfigueroa said:
Well, it will matter.

It's going to be the aficionados of the sport -- those who appreciate the finer points of the game and write about it -- and their opinion that will matter. As in every other sport, it is the opinion of the sport's cognescenti that will matter. What the hackers think will not matter a wit, though I'm sure they will squeal the loudest.

Lou Figueroa
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As for me, if John ever runs a 527 or more I will bow down the next time I see him! I know the conditions are vastly different than when Mosconi did it but so what. It's still pool being played with round balls on a 9' table with only six pockets and that's good enough for me. By the way I'm very familiar with the Rebco tables and they are EXCELLENT pool tables!
 
cueman said:
I agree with you. If there had been a big financial reward for running 700 I think Willie would have done it. Dallas West once said he thought he could break the 526 if someone would put up a financial reward for doing so. He felt the record would fall if a big enough reward was put on it. If someone put up $20,000 or better yet $50,000 and let players take a ball in hand break start for $50 and keep the pot building until the record is broken. Let it be done at Derby City and the Super Billiards Expo on 9 foot normal Diamond tables and see how long it stands.
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I offered $10,000 for the rights to the video of such a run nearly ten years ago. A lot of Straight Pool has been played in that time and no one has come closer than Thomas Engert (491) and now JS with his recent 434.
 
mikemosconi said:
Thank you Jack, as this is EXACTLY my point- what Mr. JS ends up high running in his own set up/ conveniently scheduled/ideal condition/multi hundred or thousand attempts to run 527 balls / whatever we call it - it is just that and nothing more- an opportunity to sell videos perhaps - Mosconi just DID it - not even trying to obtain any number of balls run- no doubt he could of run several hundred more than 526 on other attempts if that meant anything to him or anyone else at the time- but it did not. Let's just see how this video is marketed if he does make 527- guaranteed he will claim to be the NEW record holder and it will be implied that this was a greater achievement than Mosconi could have accomplished - don't buy it either now or in the future!
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well, if nothing else, it will be a greater achievement simply because the fact that mosconis run was on a 8-footer

the implication that "an opportunity to sell videos" is a vastly different incentive than the selling of exhibition tickets is a bit funky, me thinks. i guess the only way to beat the record then is finding a time machine and going back to the era of pool hall exhibitions
 
jay helfert said:
I offered $10,000 for the rights to the video of such a run nearly ten years ago. A lot of Straight Pool has been played in that time and no one has come closer than Thomas Engert (491) and now JS with his recent 434.
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If memory serves, Engert's run was in 2005. As you note, Schmidt has the highest run since.
 
There was a sore subject brought up some time ago and of course I have to bring it up again. Anybody know if JS has been polishing the balls mid run, or is he leaving them be?
 
As far as i know John has the world record for the highest run ever caught on video he has 4 runs all over 400.

I don't care how you compare that to any of the old guys, in my book it's a hell of a accomplishment for any 14-1 player.


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Dan White said:
There was a sore subject brought up some time ago and of course I have to bring it up again. Anybody know if JS has been polishing the balls mid run, or is he leaving them be?
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As a golfer, I don’t see what is wrong with cleaning the balls....
...snooker players do it also.
 
pt109 said:
As a golfer, I don’t see what is wrong with cleaning the balls....
...snooker players do it also.
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You can do it on the green, its a penalty otherwise.

Remember when Lexi lost a Major LPGA event for misplacing her ball after cleaning it? As an avid player of both sports, seems one would be able to cheat in pool way more so than golf when cleaning the balls and replacing, and doing it midrack is crazy if you're solo trying to break a record. Wait until all 14 are made, then clean.

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The reason being, you can have a 4 foot putt, move it an inch left or right, you might have a easier or harder shot, but for the most part it will be pretty similar. Maybe a little more slope, maybe putting through a repaired divot, etc. The main thing is THERE ARE NO BALLS blocking your golf ball and the hole, in pool you can vastly change the layout of the table with just the smallest change from cleaning the balls and then replacing them . A couple mm can be huge in pool when you take into account blockades to the hole that golfers don't have to deal with and having to move from area of the table to another area.

Think about being straight in, and being able to move your cueball to the right 1 inch, that is way bigger advantage than moving your golf ball over one inch in most cases.
 
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Snooker Theory said:
You can do it on the green, its a penalty otherwise.
You can also clean the ball where a drop is involved.
Remember when Lexi lost a Major LPGA event for misplacing her ball after cleaning it? As an avid player of both sports, seems one would be able to cheat in pool way more so than golf when cleaning the balls and replacing, and doing it midrack is crazy if you're solo trying to break a record. Wait until all 14 are made, then clean.
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Sorry, I’m not going to consider cheating in my ponderings.
....I agree about cleaning 14 balls when they’re off the table...
..the break ball can be cleaned after it’s made.

The cue ball should be cleaned whenever necessary, marked by a second party....
...just like snooker.
 
pt109 said:
Sorry, I’m not going to consider cheating in my ponderings.
....I agree about cleaning 14 balls when they’re off the table...
..the break ball can be cleaned after it’s made.

The cue ball should be cleaned whenever necessary, marked by a second party....
...just like snooker.
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It could be simple human error too, doesn't change the fact(in my opinion) that the game can be changed much much more with the slightest movement in pool.
 
Snooker Theory said:
It could be simple human error too, doesn't change the fact(in my opinion) that the game can be changed much much more with the slightest movement in pool.
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Sometimes you just gotta get outta bed and face the day....
...it might be the day you get hit by a bus.
We have to live with uncertainties.

If there is a blue spot on my cue ball, I want it wiped off.
 
pt109 said:
Sometimes you just gotta get outta bed and face the day....
...it might be the day you get hit by a bus.
We have to live with uncertainties.

If there is a blue spot on my cue ball, I want it wiped off.
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Well if there is mud on my golf ball from normal play, and I am not taking relief due to something like a broken water pipe on the course, taking that mud off is a 1 stroke penalty(if you aren't on the green), I think it should be the same in pool and snooker.

I just noticed your above post in red, and yes of course you can clean during a drop, but the drop itself is a penalty, unless of course it's relief, or am I wrong?
 
pt109 said:
Sorry, I’m not going to consider cheating in my ponderings.
....I agree about cleaning 14 balls when they’re off the table...
..the break ball can be cleaned after it’s made.

The cue ball should be cleaned whenever necessary, marked by a second party....
...just like snooker.
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Curious if anyone knows.. Was Mosconi's 526 run with caly, or phenolic balls? Reason being, I heard clay balls skid a lot less, so if Mosconi's run was with clay balls, we need to make a small concession for any modern player using phenolic to be allowed to clean the CB whenever, as skids are a MAJOR factor in professional level play.
 
ShortBusRuss said:
Curious if anyone knows.. Was Mosconi's 526 run with caly, or phenolic balls? Reason being, I heard clay balls skid a lot less, so if Mosconi's run was with clay balls, we need to make a small concession for any modern player using phenolic to be allowed to clean the CB whenever, as skids are a MAJOR factor in professional level play.
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I'm pretty certain they were not clay balls. Hyatt was making a phenolic ball in the 50's as far as I know. I think they called it a polyester resin then. When I started playing in the early '60's, there were very few places that still had clay balls (maybe only a few old time pool rooms).
 
jay helfert said:
I'm pretty certain they were not clay balls. Hyatt was making a phenolic ball in the 50's as far as I know. I think they called it a polyester resin then. When I started playing in the early '60's, there were very few places that still had clay balls (maybe only a few old time pool rooms).
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Thanks for the info, Jay..

That does bring up another interesting point, tho... Mosconi certainly grew up playing with the clay balls and playing 14.1 as his main tournament game.. I wonder what effect it had on his game going from clay to phenolic, as phenolic racks spread much easier, regardless of what type cloth one is playing on...
 
ShortBusRuss said:
Curious if anyone knows.. Was Mosconi's 526 run with caly, or phenolic balls? Reason being, I heard clay balls skid a lot less, so if Mosconi's run was with clay balls, we need to make a small concession for any modern player using phenolic to be allowed to clean the CB whenever, as skids are a MAJOR factor in professional level play.
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jay helfert said:
I'm pretty certain they were not clay balls. Hyatt was making a phenolic ball in the 50's as far as I know. I think they called it a polyester resin then. When I started playing in the early '60's, there were very few places that still had clay balls (maybe only a few old time pool rooms).
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The Hyatts were still inferior to modern balls....
...one form of ‘mud racking’ was to make sure spots or stripes were touching in the rack.

The ‘89 trade show in Nashville...Raschig showed their product,,,,
..the balls stayed within 2/1000 off round, even when crossing a stripe or number....
....on a spherical micrometer.
Sometime later, Aramith bought Super Crystalate...and brought them up to par.
 
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