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Time to give it a rest guys.
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Time to give it a rest guys.
Jackpot Cues
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I quit subscribing to my local newspaper many years ago. AZB is now my morning reading material.
For me, threads such as this one are a substitute for the comic strip section.
I don't want to be denied my morning humor.
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I know the story on Wheat and Sly cues. Personally I think there is a big difference between never getting a cue, or getting one made poorly, versus deception on who made a cue that looks nice and plays well and was delivered on time..
As far as Bama, Eason, and Zinzola... I have some reading to do this afternoon...
Owners have come forward to confirm cues from every one of those makers, and their play-ability. Point is good luck trying to move them when the owners are finished with them.
Ok I vaguely recall the Eason story and read enough to figure Zinzola went the same path as Eason and Eddie Wheat.
I'm not finding anything on Bama cues. This isn't the seller 'bamacues', right? Can someone point me in the right direction or time frame?
No clue what he's saying about Bama. Dealt with them before and they're one of the best i've ever dealt with.
I'm not saying he isn't. I've also had dealings with Joe and he was top notch with me, as well.
It was a similar initiative as this JackPot idea - a run of cues with his logo, not made by him, builder never revealed, for a discounted price for a "custom cue". They came, they went, they're worthless. Not at all saying they weren't nice cues. I saw them and handled them at the SBE.
https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=378509
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This whole mess seems simple to me..
If you received a Jackpot and were unhappy, there was a full refund available, no questions asked. Am I mistaken that no purchaser has asked for a refund?
We have others who feel that a whole lot of untrue statements were put forth. That is your right as an AZB poster. That right does not qualify you to determine whether a cue is worthy of purchase. You see slight of hand-don't buy.
If you are buying a $500 cue for long term capital growth you might consider hiring a wealth manager.
I hope some of you dissenters will take on Krown Cues. Perhaps your protests will bring a real rapscallion to change his ways.
I am still waiting for the photos and breakdown explanation of why these cues, for the princely sum of $500, are so terrible.
If you received a Jackpot and were unhappy, there was a full refund available, no questions asked. Am I mistaken that no purchaser has asked for a refund?
We have others who feel that a whole lot of untrue statements were put forth. That is your right as an AZB poster. That right does not qualify you to determine whether a cue is worthy of purchase. You see slight of hand-don't buy.
If you are buying a $500 cue for long term capital growth you might consider hiring a wealth manager.
I hope some of you dissenters will take on Krown Cues. Perhaps your protests will bring a real rapscallion to change his ways.
I am still waiting for the photos and breakdown explanation of why these cues, for the princely sum of $500, are so terrible.
Thanks for the info, I couldn't find anything on that.
I have never understood the "Name Brand" mentality. If a product is made well, you like the looks of it, and it lasts, who cares if it's not a "Insert Designer Name Here", that will cost 4x more.
I look at cues the same way. Why buy a $2k cue made by "Insert Overpriced Builder Name Here", when "Insert Underrated Builder Name Here" can make a similar cue that looks the same and is constructed just as good for $600.
Just to clarify my own thoughts, I don't have a feeling one way or another about the cues themselves, just the false claims and hype used to sell them.
Two things about your post I really like:
1. The "wealth manager" comment. Would DeanO be available for that service too? :wink:
2. Point us to Krown cues.
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the deal from my perspective
They were represented as being made by a respected cue builder, now they have became a pig in a poke. I bought a semi-custom for about $165 a few years back. I could specify most things about a cue and it was custom built on production equipment.
The cue came, it looked nice. About six months later I bumped it against something and it broke half in two. What the hell? The insert wasn't threaded in and the small dab of glue with mostly air space where a threaded joint had been supposed to be had failed. No big deal, I favored a different pin and insert anyway. I pulled the pin, found it was very short in the wood. All through the cue corners had been cut. These things didn't show when new but time revealed them. The same with cutting corners on finishing, it can look great when new and prove false a short time down the road.
While the cues from dean were marketed as roughly finished on the outside, Jack's name backed a quality build on the inside. Now that the builder is a mystery and the amount of oversight is highly questionable the cues may be five hundred or more dollar cues, they may be sub two-hundred dollar cues. Buyers and those that were advertised to all have a right to be unhappy. When somebody tries to sucker me on a "fine used car only driven by a little ol' lady on Sunday" or miracle windows without a single molecule of air between the panes, I don't have to buy to be annoyed.
I have largely stayed out of the cue threads not being directly involved. However, I was the beneficiary of a dean PM that was quite a bit more revealing than I am sure he intended. Basically he deliberately plays games with the AZB members to prove he can. He and his buddies do nothing wrong. If they do anything wrong it isn't their fault. If it is their fault, it should be forgiven, ignoring the fact that neither he or his buddies have changed a bit. I don't believe in forgiving people that are keeping on doing the same thing.
I don't care much about dean one way or another. However when people jump to defend him it is fair to comment on both sides of the story. dean is far from lily white.
Hu
They were represented as being made by a respected cue builder, now they have became a pig in a poke. I bought a semi-custom for about $165 a few years back. I could specify most things about a cue and it was custom built on production equipment.
The cue came, it looked nice. About six months later I bumped it against something and it broke half in two. What the hell? The insert wasn't threaded in and the small dab of glue with mostly air space where a threaded joint had been supposed to be had failed. No big deal, I favored a different pin and insert anyway. I pulled the pin, found it was very short in the wood. All through the cue corners had been cut. These things didn't show when new but time revealed them. The same with cutting corners on finishing, it can look great when new and prove false a short time down the road.
While the cues from dean were marketed as roughly finished on the outside, Jack's name backed a quality build on the inside. Now that the builder is a mystery and the amount of oversight is highly questionable the cues may be five hundred or more dollar cues, they may be sub two-hundred dollar cues. Buyers and those that were advertised to all have a right to be unhappy. When somebody tries to sucker me on a "fine used car only driven by a little ol' lady on Sunday" or miracle windows without a single molecule of air between the panes, I don't have to buy to be annoyed.
I have largely stayed out of the cue threads not being directly involved. However, I was the beneficiary of a dean PM that was quite a bit more revealing than I am sure he intended. Basically he deliberately plays games with the AZB members to prove he can. He and his buddies do nothing wrong. If they do anything wrong it isn't their fault. If it is their fault, it should be forgiven, ignoring the fact that neither he or his buddies have changed a bit. I don't believe in forgiving people that are keeping on doing the same thing.
I don't care much about dean one way or another. However when people jump to defend him it is fair to comment on both sides of the story. dean is far from lily white.
Hu
I don't have any quotes from Teddy Roosevelt, but how about this one
Quote:
Originally Posted by deanoc View Post
most pool hustlers are bums
some call themselves pro players
seldom do they make enough to support themself
or a family
seldom do they make money gambling
my guess is that if you took the stake horse out
of the equation the average pool player would nor survive long
i refer to the main source of income is from dumping games
not all,i do not want to imply that this is the source of income of all without exception
my guess it would be closer to only 50%,their other big source is borrowing with no
intention of paying back
Moving from Thread of the Year to Thread of the Decade nominee.
Mike, need more bandwidth!
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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to ShootingArts again.
It honestly amazes me the people who back Dean. He's been playing games with AZB for years under the guise of a harmless old man.
People in the cue world have heard the storys about him; he's a cheat, and has been for years. Yeah, some cue makers might get taken care of; but you're doing his work.
Just look at all the contradictory stories he tells about Titanic, Fats, etc...Hustlers hailed as heroes.
It honestly amazes me the people who back Dean. He's been playing games with AZB for years under the guise of a harmless old man.
People in the cue world have heard the storys about him; he's a cheat, and has been for years. Yeah, some cue makers might get taken care of; but you're doing his work.
Just look at all the contradictory stories he tells about Titanic, Fats, etc...Hustlers hailed as heroes.
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Threads die a natural death when they are at peace with themselves and ready to go. You can't smoother them with a pillow. If you can't watch it linger on you just have to go sit in the waiting room.
Sent from the future.
There is the occasional lightning bolt sent by the gods from the modern Olympus -- Scottsdale.
Not me. Never complained once about pool time costs. Just glad there’s still rooms with nice tables.
This thread has me missing the aiming threads. And ‘ole JB and Lou going at it.