Center Pocket Music, the long-awaited CTE Pro One book, by Stan Shuffett.

I have a sound explanation for why my results were achieved. Stan can't explain his because his premise is wrong. He thinks you can look at two balls a certain way and that causes the balls to be linked to the pocket. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I wish he could explain it because it would be terrific. Absent any kind of explanation, he resorts to "just try it and you'll see." Well what we'll see is that it takes months of detailed hard work to make it go. Best guess is that the player makes it happen. There is evidence for that, too, though not as much as I'd like. There are only so many videos out there that can be studied.
No he has explained it. I have explained it. You don't like the explanation and you won't/can't put in the time to learn CTE so you can't test the explanation either.

I think you are barking up the wrong tree. It was a miss, that's all.
So misses are just misses.....just is what it is without needing a reason for the miss but makes are not makes UNLESS you get to define how the ball was made? Seems interesting that you don't see the inverse here as valid.

Don't worry though, we have 9 hours of misses by Lou to watch together and discuss.

I might be barking up the wrong tree but I am pretty certain that I am not. You, on the other hand, are in a field looking for a tree that doesn't exist in my opinion.

 
Yes I have used lasers as well in similar ways. While you say much better than a chalk line I will say it depends on what you are trying to show.
I was referring more to projecting the laser line down over the ob, cb and the length of the cue all at once. Best way to see a truly straight alignment.
 
I have a sound explanation for why my results were achieved. Stan can't explain his because his premise is wrong. He thinks you can look at two balls a certain way and that causes the balls to be linked to the pocket. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I wish he could explain it because it would be terrific. Absent any kind of explanation, he resorts to "just try it and you'll see." Well what we'll see is that it takes months of detailed hard work to make it go. Best guess is that the player makes it happen. There is evidence for that, too, though not as much as I'd like. There are only so many videos out there that can be studied.


I think you are barking up the wrong tree. It was a miss, that's all.

Actually the amount of time to learn CTE to be quite useful to the shooter varies from minutes to months depending on the several variables. That's the importance of having lots of enthusiasts learning and discussing the CTE method. We help each other and learn to teach each other in several ways that usually a student can find resonance and clarity.

What you want is some sort of diagram that prescribes x-inches of bridge placement and y-degrees of pivot arc based on ball overlaps.....

When you learn Ghost Ball for example you don't get that. You get this, visualize a fully formed phantom ball and ilne up to the center of that. And don't forget to adjust for contact induced throw and deflection. You don't get a formula. You are given instructions for an estimation system based on visual perception. One that is simple to diagram WITHOUT a formula attached but which is unreliable on the table. To the point that there are dozens of Ghost Ball trainers from simple templates you can print like Cranfield's arrow to laser projection systems all made to train your visualization/estimation skill when using the ghost ball aiming system.

When you're given all of the instructions to use CTE you get concrete instructions that have been proven to work and your hangup is that you don't have a algorithm that accounts for the spatial perceptions and dictates a mapped position? You would eschew better results because you're hung up on a part of the HOW that is not even important? That seems silly to me but if that's what you want to do then fine. Steering others away though is not fine and that's what you are engaged in.

A person can learn CTE in less than an hour and be using it effectively on a wide range of shots. The method can be taught with nothing more than the balls, cues and a table. Mastering all the nuance can take months or even years depending on the student but the basics are learned in less than an hour. More in-depth information such as in Stan's DVDs and book is helpful and welcome but not necessary to learn the basic CTE method of aiming and see immediate aiming and shotmaking improvement.
 
I was referring more to projecting the laser line down over the ob, cb and the length of the cue all at once. Best way to see a truly straight alignment.
In your opinion. A friend told me about a snooker coach that uses a mirror and it is extremely effective. The mirror and the chalk line don't require for gear to be setup on the pool table surface.

As I said though I have used lasers in a similar way, coupled with the OB Cues stroke tester and slow motion video. I am a fan of anything that helps players improve.
 
Well then your point was obviously invalid if I missed it. Isn't that basically your premise that CTE is not valid if someone doesn't get it easily enough according to your standards?

Aligning/Aiming go hand in hand when it comes to pool or any other endeavor where a stationary target is expected to be struck precisely with manually moved item.

Call it a shot selection system, the instructions are the same and the results are clear.
Geez, you mind if I call you airhead for one post? Point is ghost ball, will determine any shot, but like all to the point "systems", can't be sold, will never be a curriculum, any other windfall sacrasm you got. Enter CTE which starts with professional level technique and obfuscates the learning into a pseudo intellectual process that might only have value as an action meta language. IDK.
Of course CTE works, it's made from real pool - which AFAI can tell, still requires no hyperinterface to learn or do.
 
Actually the amount of time to learn CTE to be quite useful to the shooter varies from minutes to months depending on the several variables. That's the importance of having lots of enthusiasts learning and discussing the CTE method. We help each other and learn to teach each other in several ways that usually a student can find resonance and clarity.

What you want is some sort of diagram that prescribes x-inches of bridge placement and y-degrees of pivot arc based on ball overlaps.....

When you learn Ghost Ball for example you don't get that. You get this, visualize a fully formed phantom ball and ilne up to the center of that. And don't forget to adjust for contact induced throw and deflection. You don't get a formula. You are given instructions for an estimation system based on visual perception. One that is simple to diagram WITHOUT a formula attached but which is unreliable on the table. To the point that there are dozens of Ghost Ball trainers from simple templates you can print like Cranfield's arrow to laser projection systems all made to train your visualization/estimation skill when using the ghost ball aiming system.

When you're given all of the instructions to use CTE you get concrete instructions that have been proven to work and your hangup is that you don't have a algorithm that accounts for the spatial perceptions and dictates a mapped position? You would eschew better results because you're hung up on a part of the HOW that is not even important? That seems silly to me but if that's what you want to do then fine. Steering others away though is not fine and that's what you are engaged in.

A person can learn CTE in less than an hour and be using it effectively on a wide range of shots. The method can be taught with nothing more than the balls, cues and a table. Mastering all the nuance can take months or even years depending on the student but the basics are learned in less than an hour. More in-depth information such as in Stan's DVDs and book is helpful and welcome but not necessary to learn the basic CTE method of aiming and see immediate aiming and shotmaking improvement.
John, I think you're hitting on something here that "the detractors" have overlooked by intent or by not being thorough or through bias. Somewhere in there... (they really have no interest in the CTE study because it 'rocks their belief system'...resulting in closed minds.)
Nowhere has Stan ever said that stroke issues were not important to the execution of CTE, as you well know.
He's spent a LOT of time on stroke issues in the Book and in videos before the Book was published.
When I was at his training studio, he nailed me immediately on a couple of my stroke flaws that had been ingrained since I was an adolescent.
One of which was "holding the chalk inside the bridge hand when shooting, as a bridge stabilizing tool". Taught to me by no lesser player than Danny Jones. For ME...and for the size of my hands, this was not acting as a stabilizer...it was acting as a BARRIER to a straight stroke. #1 to eliminate.
There was also the issue of my grip which was contributing to a "side swiping" stroke. I wasn't even aware of it since I had never been filmed, never had a personal coach, and didn't know how it was affecting things. #2 to eliminate.
Staying down in full stance, after the shot, had never been an issue with me. (My eyesight is okay and I still do not wear glasses at my senior age.)
I had never been coached on the use of the "poke stroke" for certain shots.
I had never been coached on the "finesse stroke".
And of course, those flaws were things that had been in my game for 60 years...that's a lot to "undo". That takes WORK.
And then getting used to the "oddness" of lining up off the angle like Bustamante and those Filipinos pro players, was also tough to swallow after a lifetime of being told it was like "target shooting with a rifle".
BUT...the procedure of the 0-15-30-45-60 was as clear as a bell to understand...it was just tough to develop my visual intelligence to hone in on them. Some days the visuals were easy to pickup at ball address...some days were not so easy.
Nowhere in the study has Stan or any of the other CTE experts indicated that the stroke was not important. Or that CTE was a "magic bullet". I think you have pointed this out to others over and over.
The "detractors", of course, have made a history of overlooking those things.
Thomas Sowell was always one of "my heroes".....even though he probably(?) never picked up a pool stick. That is why I post this image of him herein.
Stay happy, my man and keep on punching.
Lowenstein
Thomas Sowell.jpg
 
In your opinion. A friend told me about a snooker coach that uses a mirror and it is extremely effective. The mirror and the chalk line don't require for gear to be setup on the pool table surface.

As I said though I have used lasers in a similar way, coupled with the OB Cues stroke tester and slow motion video. I am a fan of anything that helps players improve.
Actually the amount of time to learn CTE to be quite useful to the shooter varies from minutes to months depending on the several variables. That's the importance of having lots of enthusiasts learning and discussing the CTE method. We help each other and learn to teach each other in several ways that usually a student can find resonance and clarity.

What you want is some sort of diagram that prescribes x-inches of bridge placement and y-degrees of pivot arc based on ball overlaps.....

When you learn Ghost Ball for example you don't get that. You get this, visualize a fully formed phantom ball and ilne up to the center of that. And don't forget to adjust for contact induced throw and deflection. You don't get a formula. You are given instructions for an estimation system based on visual perception. One that is simple to diagram WITHOUT a formula attached but which is unreliable on the table. To the point that there are dozens of Ghost Ball trainers from simple templates you can print like Cranfield's arrow to laser projection systems all made to train your visualization/estimation skill when using the ghost ball aiming system.

When you're given all of the instructions to use CTE you get concrete instructions that have been proven to work and your hangup is that you don't have a algorithm that accounts for the spatial perceptions and dictates a mapped position? You would eschew better results because you're hung up on a part of the HOW that is not even important? That seems silly to me but if that's what you want to do then fine. Steering others away though is not fine and that's what you are engaged in.

A person can learn CTE in less than an hour and be using it effectively on a wide range of shots. The method can be taught with nothing more than the balls, cues and a table. Mastering all the nuance can take months or even years depending on the student but the basics are learned in less than an hour. More in-depth information such as in Stan's DVDs and book is helpful and welcome but not necessary to learn the basic CTE method of aiming and see immediate aiming and shotmaking improvement.
Kind of pointless to discuss things with you. I never said a diagram xyz is required to explain CTE. Maybe the explanation is something psychological. In any case, I fail to see how looking at the balls a certain way automatically causes those balls to be aligned to a pocket.
 
In your opinion. A friend told me about a snooker coach that uses a mirror and it is extremely effective. The mirror and the chalk line don't require for gear to be setup on the pool table surface.

As I said though I have used lasers in a similar way, coupled with the OB Cues stroke tester and slow motion video. I am a fan of anything that helps players improve.
Well, everything I say is my opinion. Obviously, you've never actually used a laser in the manner I described because then you wouldn't' say a mirror 6 feet away projecting a reflection that looks 12 feet away over a chalk line is going to get you anywhere near as close as having a bright green laser line shining right on top of your cue.
 
Are we having fun yet??😇👍
Have we resolved anything??😎😎
Nothing will ever be resolved here with the tiny 23 year anti-Cte group. They don't even have enough numbers to make a baseball or football team. However, you probably know how many followers and book buyers are logging in every day talking about it which is well into the hundreds just since the book became available. You also know what it's all about after getting the book and seeing the Truth Series videos. Retraining your eyes and the way the brain works to see the balls and set up for the shots will take some practice time. But would you agree that Stan has definitely resolved every facet of how it's done in the book and videos? I think he absolutely has.
 
Are we having fun yet??😇👍
Have we resolved anything??😎😎
I've resolved quite a few things.
#1 It is POINTLESS to discuss, argue, or debate this thing with the "detractors". (they will never think differently due to their self-imposed moral superiority as a result of their ignorance).
#2 It is fun to poke a few jabs every now and then at "The Fig", but in the big picture he is quite meaningless and will never be a real pool player. He's too set in his ways.
#3 Stan told me that even after his Encyclopedia of Center Pocket Music was released, the Detractors would still find reasons(?) about "how it won't work". He was right too.
#4 There is too much fun to be had at the training table learning the ways to precision banking. Rather than wasting time with silliness (yep I am guilty too) in arguments with "The Joey". I got better things to do.
Regards,
Lowenstein
 
But I won that game son. Lost two balls in a row and went from 7 to 5 in balls and STILL beat you.

I said what you said. There was NO CONTEXT where you didn't think it was not a brilliant shot UNTIL it was universally derided on OnePocket.org. You didn't see or hear anything because there was nothing to see or hear. The more you talk the more we can check the video.

It's hilarious though watching you contort trying to make your lies fit a timeline that clearly disputes what you claim.

Show me what I said or go pound sand.

Lou Figueroa
 
No he has explained it. I have explained it. You don't like the explanation and you won't/can't put in the time to learn CTE so you can't test the explanation either.


So misses are just misses.....just is what it is without needing a reason for the miss but makes are not makes UNLESS you get to define how the ball was made? Seems interesting that you don't see the inverse here as valid.

Don't worry though, we have 9 hours of misses by Lou to watch together and discuss.

I might be barking up the wrong tree but I am pretty certain that I am not. You, on the other hand, are in a field looking for a tree that doesn't exist in my opinion.


I miss a lot — knock yourself out.

Lou Figueroa
 
Nothing will ever be resolved here with the tiny 23 year anti-Cte group. They don't even have enough numbers to make a baseball or football team. However, you probably know how many followers and book buyers are logging in every day talking about it which is well into the hundreds just since the book became available. You also know what it's all about after getting the book and seeing the Truth Series videos. Retraining your eyes and the way the brain works to see the balls and set up for the shots will take some practice time. But would you agree that Stan has definitely resolved every facet of how it's done in the book and videos? I think he absolutely has.

You guys like to claim, without evidence, that there are hundreds/thousands of satisfied CTE users out there and that it’s taking over the pool world by storm.

But in my experience, having played in rooms and tournaments all over the country, when I’d ask the locals about CTE all I ever got was blank stares.

This is a system on the fringe with most players out there far more familiar with GB and perhaps an overlap system of some kind. So really, it’s just a minority of players out there that fanatically push CTE.

Lou Figueroa
 
Kind of pointless to discuss things with you. I never said a diagram xyz is required to explain CTE. Maybe the explanation is something psychological. In any case, I fail to see how looking at the balls a certain way automatically causes those balls to be aligned to a pocket.
There we go.
You said it yourself...……."I fail to see how looking at the balls a certain way automatically causes those balls to be aligned to a pocket".
No matter what aiming method is used, even the one YOU USE YOURSELF accomplishes that. The way you're looking at the balls, automatically causes those balls to be aligned to a pocket. Otherwise you wouldn't pull the trigger in the first place.
If you miss the shot, then you did something else wrong.
CTE has always been and always will be a better more precise way to cause those balls to be aligned to a pocket. That's really all it claimed to be from the outset...in fact that is all it scientifically CAN BE.
And that's the name of that tune...….
 
You guys like to claim, without evidence, that there are hundreds/thousands of satisfied CTE users out there and that it’s taking over the pool world by storm.

But in my experience, having played in rooms and tournaments all over the country, when I’d ask the locals about CTE all I ever got was blank stares.

This is a system on the fringe with most players out there far more familiar with GB and perhaps an overlap system of some kind. So really, it’s just a minority of players out there that fanatically push CTE.

Lou Figueroa
As usual, you're in LA-LA Land. The center of the world doesn't revolve around the GREAT Lou Figueroa and the hallowed ground he steps on. Lou, you're a pretty decent player and have been for many years. But you certainly aren't a world beater. Those who are now using it, pro players and top amateurs, would beat you like a drum by playing IN-A-GADDA-DA-VIDA with a couple of pool cues on your dead head and the merry band of ANTI's on this forum.

AZB is also not the center of the world for talking about CTE in a huge group as well as with Stan himself since the book came out. There's a whole NEW world out there and growing every day. It's pretty big! Seek and yee shall find. Except for the fact you'd be BANNED right up front to not even being able to get in the door so save the energy.
 
As usual, you're in LA-LA Land. The center of the world doesn't revolve around the GREAT Lou Figueroa and the hallowed ground he steps on. Lou, you're a pretty decent player and have been for many years. But you certainly aren't a world beater. Those who are now using it, pro players and top amateurs, would beat you like a drum by playing IN-A-GADDA-DA-VIDA with a couple of pool cues on your dead head and the merry band of ANTI's on this forum.

AZB is also not the center of the world for talking about CTE in a huge group as well as with Stan himself since the book came out. There's a whole NEW world out there and growing every day. It's pretty big! Seek and yee shall find. Except for the fact you'd be BANNED right up front to not even being able to get in the door so save the energy.

I’m very happy for you and your fellow musketeers that you have your very own private and exclusive treehouse to cavort in and share your CTE love.

Lou Figueroa
 
This is far better than a diagram. Watch and learn. Then you can come back with your own diagram. Pick one or more.


Truth Series Video #1 - CTE PRO ONE Truth Series Video 1 (Table Geometry) - YouTube Started to feel a slight pulse in forehead
Truth Series Video #2 - CTE PRO ONE Truth Series Video 2 (The Merging of Two Domains) - YouTube Throbbing became definite, had to go lie down

No opinion on the rest.

Truth Series Video #3 - CTE PRO ONE Truth Series Video 3 (Cue Ball/Object Ball Gearing) - YouTube
Truth Series Video #4 - CTE PRO ONE Truth Series Video 4 (Stepping the Cue Ball) - YouTube
Truth Series Video #5 - CTE PRO ONE Truth Series Video 5 "The Building Blocks of CTE PRO ONE" - YouTube
Truth Series Video #6 - CTE PRO ONE Truth Series Video 6 "The Finer Points of Stepping the Cue Ball" - YouTube
Truth Series Video #7 - CTE PRO ONE Truth Series Video 7 "The Finer Points of Gearing" - YouTube
Truth Series Video #8 - CTE PRO ONE Truth Series Video 8 "The 15 Outside" - YouTube
Truth Series Video #9 - CTE PRO ONE Truth Series Video 9 "The 15 Inside" - YouTube
Truth Series Video #10 - CTE PRO ONE Truth Series Video 10 "The 30 Outside" - YouTube
Truth Series Video #11 - CTE PRO ONE Truth Series Video 11 "The 30 Inside" - YouTube
Truth Series Video #12 - CTE PRO ONE Truth Series Video 12 "The 45" - YouTube
Truth Series Video #13 - CTE PRO ONE Truth Series Video 13 "The 60" - YouTube
Truth Series Video #14 - CTE PRO ONE Truth Series Video 14 "Straight-Ins" - YouTube
Truth Series Video #15 - CTE PRO ONE Truth Series Video 15 "Outside Spin" - YouTube
Truth Series Video #16 - CTE PRO ONE Truth Series Video 16 "Inside Spin" - YouTube
Truth Series Video #17 - CTE PRO ONE Truth Series Video 17 "Sight Lines--The Importance of Parallax" - YouTube
Truth Series Video #18 - CTE PRO ONE Truth Series Video 18: "A Touch of Banking" - YouTube
Truth Series Video #19 - CTE PRO ONE Truth Series Video 19: "The Key Ingredient" - YouTube
Truth Series Video #20 - CTE PRO ONE Truth Series Video 20 Book Reveal - YouTube
Truth Series Video #21 - CTE PRO ONE Truth Series Video 21: "Head Shifting" - YouTube
Truth Series Video #22 - CTE PRO ONE Truth Series Video 22: "Welcome to the Back Side" - YouTube
Truth Series Video #23 - CTE PRO ONE Truth Series Video 23: CTE--Natural, Systematic, and Rhythmic Play - YouTube
Truth Series Video #24 - CTE PRO ONE Truth Series Video 24: Center Pocket Music--Diminished and Augmented - YouTube
Truth Series Video #25 - CTE PRO ONE Truth Series Video 25: Disguised Pivoting Banking Demo - YouTube
 
I’m very happy for you and your fellow musketeers that you have your very own private and exclusive treehouse to cavort in and share your CTE love.

Lou Figueroa
Isn't this great?! You're happy...I'm happy...Stan is happy...CTE users are happy...everybody is happy. A treehouse isn't going to work. More like an auditorium currently and in time a football or baseball stadium.
 
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