Center Pocket Music, the long-awaited CTE Pro One book, by Stan Shuffett.

[JB Cases]

I did say an ahead wouldn’t have changed the outcome and it wouldn’t have — but I also said I have refused to entertain your subsequent offers over the years to play one.

I’ve told you this many times. So, again, your challenge is an empty one — you knew I’d refuse from the get-go. It’s just more hollow chest beating so you can puff up but feel nice and safe.

Lou Figueroa

no, I didn't know you would refuse. I had to have a talk with myself for even offering because the thought of giving you and your "backers" ANY chance to get money from me is abhorrent. But going over the video again it is clear how terrible you are and how I handed you the set. I played a lot of good one pocket and a lot of terrible one pocket. You played decent one pocket but nowhere close to anything scary for a person my speed or above. You are not helpless but you are not nearly as good as you imply that you are.

One thing is clear NO ONE who impartially watches this match and knows one pocket would ever conclude that I was getting coached based on my shot selection. What they would likely conclude is that given the crazy amount of scoring opportunities you gave up that I should have won the set fairly easily. Most of the games you won were ones that I simply sold out and allowed you to get more balls than you would have otherwise. There are hardly any instances where you had me trapped inescapably like good one pocket players do it.

You're a banger whose skills are not particularly great, average like the majority of players out there. You had to be dragged to the table the first time and for 13 years of your harassment and your backstabbing and your lies all you got was 2k out of 10k. And all you have to cling to is winning one set 9-6 against a guy who makes cases and loves pool. You're scared to play again and play an ahead set to see who really gets the cheddar when you can't rely on a small gang to jack with me.

If I had been coached or even if I had been slightly more prepared I would have DRILLED you. I have beaten better players than you can ever dream of being. But regardless of what might have been to the winners go the spoils so I am not denying that you played well enough to beat me and you earned the right to gloat about it. Nothing will ever change the fact that in the "big" match you got to the finish line first. I can always look at the game record of 10-8 between us but the 10k loss is the one that really counts.

What I never considered though was to USE the footage to make a case for CTE by using your poor play. Mainly because I am at my core a nice person and such a thought of combing through the match to pick out the many places where you flat out dogged shots that a player of your implied caliber should never miss and using them to point out that you would have likely been more accurate if you were using a good aiming system. And, while I jokingly said to Pat Fleming at the end of day one that a compilation video could be made from the match detailing what NOT to do and as I said it I was thinking of only my own mistakes, upon recent review I find that your mistakes add substantially to that proposed compilation.

So, I am hiring a friend who knows one pocket to go through and catalog the shots taken which are likely to be interesting to players around the world. We have plenty of GREAT world class one pocket on video but there aren't a lot if any analysis videos critiquing banger one pocket. I can point out my own aiming mistakes and my stroke mistakes and my strategy mistakes easily because I know what I was thinking and feeling and how I was using CTE at that time. Together with my friend we can analyze your failures and call out the CTE aiming that would have put you on the right line. I want to sincerely thank you for clinging to and harping on my play and telling me that I have no business telling anyone anything about how to play pool. Although I admittedly first had the petty thought that I would be motivated just to use this to troll upon reflection I see genuine value in going through and making videos that can be very helpful to others. And of course my logo will and Stan's logo (with his permission) will be prominently featured. The few times that you made great multi-rail banks will be contrasted with the consistency of Stan's multi-rail banks using CTE. I am actually looking forward to the results of this new project and the money spent on it will be marketing money well spent.

If you ever did step up to play then drilling you would be a great way to cap the drama but if it didn't happen it would still provide more footage to help others. Win or lose for me the pool community would win. Despite all of your BS stories and your 4 hours a day of practice you're a hack and the saddest part of all is that learning CTE would have likely allowed you to step up in class. Your example though of mocking "know it all" obstinance coupled with your poor play will serve others as a warning against ego-driven myopic thinking and self-delusional self-rating of one's abilities.

Thank you for providing us with that.

 

[JB Cases]

Everyone please don't drag family into any of this. It's unbecoming and distracts from the main points.

Haters are going to hate and feeding the hate with personal insults directed at family only serves to make people sympathetic to them. The CTE haters on this forum have often gone after Stan's family in vile ways. Let them remain on the wrong side and don't sink to their level. We have the truth and the proof on our side.

CTE isn't going anywhere. The fact is that they have given their best to kill interest in it and have not only failed spectacularly but they have inspired more study and more refinement that has made CTE aiming even better.

I personally have had people come to me like this JC guy who have had trouble understanding it and with some conversation and demonstration have helped them to "get it" and from there they have been good to go. Some people just get frustrated and lash out due to their own inability to understand. Then when some catalyst comes along that enlightens them their frustration and aggression dissolves. Treat these people as if they are simply lost instead of as if they are deliberately malicious. I know it's HARD because SOME of them are deliberately malicious. But getting into the mud with them is exactly what they want.

I have seen such people be meek as church mice when in the presence of great players who know CTE. Suddenly they are respectful and attentive and inquisitive and pleasant to be around. And they have received benefit from that behavior. But on here they lash out as if they are the final say of what it and isn't possible.

In other words, "it isn't what you don't know that gets you in trouble, it's what you know that just isn't so".

 

[JC]

I personally have had people come to me like this JC guy who have had trouble understanding it and with some conversation and demonstration have helped them to "get it" and from there they have been good to go.

I would be 100% in favor of being shown on the table how this works however I live in a remote area here on the Oregon coast and live a very busy life outside of pool. So that's not really an option.

I find it odd that Stan is unable to explain it in a way that makes sense in two dvds and a series of very slow moving and dry videos. I have no illusion that buying a book would change that.

And then there's this place...............

 

[cookie man]

And then there's this place...............

It's people like you with your smart comments all the time that make this place what it is. Stan explains it just fine. He had to go into great detail because of people like you that questioned the simple version. So now every single little detail is laid out for everyone if they so choose to actually understand it. But hey, it's much more fun to not learn it and spend numerous hours on AZ making smart ass comments, right.

 

[lfigueroa]

no, I didn't know you would refuse. I had to have a talk with myself for even offering because the thought of giving you and your "backers" ANY chance to get money from me is abhorrent. But going over the video again it is clear how terrible you are and how I handed you the set. I played a lot of good one pocket and a lot of terrible one pocket. You played decent one pocket but nowhere close to anything scary for a person my speed or above. You are not helpless but you are not nearly as good as you imply that you are.

One thing is clear NO ONE who impartially watches this match and knows one pocket would ever conclude that I was getting coached based on my shot selection. What they would likely conclude is that given the crazy amount of scoring opportunities you gave up that I should have won the set fairly easily. Most of the games you won were ones that I simply sold out and allowed you to get more balls than you would have otherwise. There are hardly any instances where you had me trapped inescapably like good one pocket players do it.

You're a banger whose skills are not particularly great, average like the majority of players out there. You had to be dragged to the table the first time and for 13 years of your harassment and your backstabbing and your lies all you got was 2k out of 10k. And all you have to cling to is winning one set 9-6 against a guy who makes cases and loves pool. You're scared to play again and play an ahead set to see who really gets the cheddar when you can't rely on a small gang to jack with me.

If I had been coached or even if I had been slightly more prepared I would have DRILLED you. I have beaten better players than you can ever dream of being. But regardless of what might have been to the winners go the spoils so I am not denying that you played well enough to beat me and you earned the right to gloat about it. Nothing will ever change the fact that in the "big" match you got to the finish line first. I can always look at the game record of 10-8 between us but the 10k loss is the one that really counts.

What I never considered though was to USE the footage to make a case for CTE by using your poor play. Mainly because I am at my core a nice person and such a thought of combing through the match to pick out the many places where you flat out dogged shots that a player of your implied caliber should never miss and using them to point out that you would have likely been more accurate if you were using a good aiming system. And, while I jokingly said to Pat Fleming at the end of day one that a compilation video could be made from the match detailing what NOT to do and as I said it I was thinking of only my own mistakes, upon recent review I find that your mistakes add substantially to that proposed compilation.

So, I am hiring a friend who knows one pocket to go through and catalog the shots taken which are likely to be interesting to players around the world. We have plenty of GREAT world class one pocket on video but there aren't a lot if any analysis videos critiquing banger one pocket. I can point out my own aiming mistakes and my stroke mistakes and my strategy mistakes easily because I know what I was thinking and feeling and how I was using CTE at that time. Together with my friend we can analyze your failures and call out the CTE aiming that would have put you on the right line. I want to sincerely thank you for clinging to and harping on my play and telling me that I have no business telling anyone anything about how to play pool. Although I admittedly first had the petty thought that I would be motivated just to use this to troll upon reflection I see genuine value in going through and making videos that can be very helpful to others. And of course my logo will and Stan's logo (with his permission) will be prominently featured. The few times that you made great multi-rail banks will be contrasted with the consistency of Stan's multi-rail banks using CTE. I am actually looking forward to the results of this new project and the money spent on it will be marketing money well spent.

If you ever did step up to play then drilling you would be a great way to cap the drama but if it didn't happen it would still provide more footage to help others. Win or lose for me the pool community would win. Despite all of your BS stories and your 4 hours a day of practice you're a hack and the saddest part of all is that learning CTE would have likely allowed you to step up in class. Your example though of mocking "know it all" obstinance coupled with your poor play will serve others as a warning against ego-driven myopic thinking and self-delusional self-rating of one's abilities.

Thank you for providing us with that.

If you didn’t know I would refuse then we need to work on those reading comprehension skills, lol.

And yes, I am a banger. An amateur player, and I defy you to find *anywhere* in all the years I’ve been on the interweb, where I have ever said anything different. But this is what you like to do: setup a false premise so you can easily knock it down and prop up your feeble ego.

The thing about being coached is a prime example. Claiming how much better you would have played if you had been. But the thing is, John, that you could have had Efren whispering in your ear snd you still wouldn’t have been able to execute and that’s why your denial doesn’t hold water.

Your execution and spastic monkey stroke made you being coached less of an issue and it’s why I didn’t squawk, other than to tell Ed at the end of the first day I wouldn’t allow Dennis Spears to sit in your corner the next day because he was coaching you. And Ed said: yes, I could see him doing it from the booth and was waiting for you to say something.

You were being coached and when it comes to 1pocket that is tantamount to cheating. But you’re a nice guy, lol, just as when you tried to start a fight with Eric right before our match. But then, you’re a nice guy, right?

Lastly, you keep saying how much I play but for years nowadays I only play an hour or two. Several years ago I managed to tear the meniscuses in both knees and every three months I get them aspirated and shot up with cocktail of cortisone and other stuff. On average, my ortho drains 20cc+ out of my knees. The left one is doing pretty good but the right one is still problematic. Both knees have affected my mobility and endurance so I don’t play for long and haven’t for years. I haven’t been out at night to match up for over a decade.

So yes, I’m a banger and I’ve called that on myself since day one... but for the cheese, I still beat your weak CTE infused nuts, lol : -)

Lou Figueroa

 

[JB Cases]

I would be 100% in favor of being shown on the table how this works however I live in a remote area here on the Oregon coast and live a very busy life outside of pool. So that's not really an option.

I find it odd that Stan is unable to explain it in a way that makes sense in two dvds and a series of very slow moving and dry videos. I have no illusion that buying a book would change that.

And then there's this place...............

Stan is able to explain it in ways that people understand. When I met Hal his instructions were counterintuitive and confusing to me. I resisted it because my brain was like WTF is this talking about.... I was in Bob Byrne's world of Ghost Ball and brute force muscle memory to learn shots. But when I chose to empty my cup so to speak I was able to just follow his directions and started making shots where I knew for a fact that I wasn't able to consistently make when playing prior to trying his method.

I have also tried to figure out some sort of underlying principles that would give a simple 2d diagram of WHY CTE works so well. And I think that I have found out a few things that are important but since I don't have more ability to express what I know in mathematical terms I can't say for sure if what I found out is on the right track. What I do know without any doubt whatsoever is that ultimately knowing the math or 3 dimensional geometry or calculus wouldn't help me to use this method. Just like the math behind ghost ball is useless to ghost ball users. For me the important thing is that I am able to get into the shot with confidence that I am on the right shot line. As I have told Pat and others why would it matter if my subconscious mind made a decision somewhere in the conscious process if the end result is way way way higher consistency in getting to the correct shot line.

For example, and this is NOT a critique, when I watch you play I see that you shoot decently but you rattle balls sometimes. IF that rattling is indicative of being slightly off the correct shot line and compensating subconsciously what then would be the benefit of your subconscious being informed to dial in to within a fraction of a millimeter of the correct shot line while standing up and then taking you to the correct shot line when you go into the shot. Instead of having to make a correction when your down that can have a cascading negative effect your conscious mind could, through a consistent process, lead you to the dead nuts perfect line over and over and over.

I have often said that a rising tide lifts all boats. So if I am 550 speed player and I learn CTE I can get some improvement but I still have many other issues such as stroke, pattern recognition, lack of experience, and so on....a 700+ speed player can potentially derive more benefit than I can in the short term because they already have most of their fundamentals and other factors handled. However if you consider a 550 who is diligently working on all those factors and he gets a good grounding in the CTE method of aiming what benefit might he have as his overall skills improve?

I will fully admit that Stan's method of communication can be hard to digest. He puts me to sleep as well. But then I watch it again and think about what he said and take it to the table and it makes sense and more importantly, it works. I don't know why this is such an argument. This isn't like someone selling you a sugar pill that they claim cures cancer. It's not life or death and not taking people's life savings. I am pretty sure that you, like most of us, have stuff you bought that sounded great and which turned out not to work as well for your needs as you thought it might.

If you put Stan's DVDs on Open Billiards Market or on the wfs forum here it will sell quickly. There are many who want the information and if they get it and it doesn't gel with them for whatever reason they can easily resell it. So it's not like anyone is actually in any danger of really losing money. But beyond that there is enough information online for free which can serve to introduce CTE to those interested. And there is a community of people willing to do instruction and conversation through video chat. I have helped a number of people that way. It's really fun to do it and see the results when a person goes OH NOW I SEE IT.

Packaging and presentation definitely matters. Probably not a surprise that I study this area as well. Multinational consumer goods corporations spend hundreds of millions testing for resonance among consumers. I TOTALLY get it when someone opens a video and the information doesn't resonate. I get the headache-inducing terminology, the slower cadence, taking a long route to the point...no debate on that. But honestly what should drive you here is the understanding that plenty of people do "get it" and keeping in mind that these people are not inherently dishonest just to fool you. They have no malicious intent in saying that CTE has improved their game and encouraging others to try it.

Just as you showed us video of you beating the ball-in-hand ghost to establish your level as a player we are impressed with Stan's and others videos of them beating the ghost while calling out the perceptions used for each shot. I would never feel that you aren't competent enough to teach pool after I see a video of you running out racks. Conversely if someone shows me a video of doing even harder stuff on the table than what you did I feel confident that they are worth listening to at the very least.

Famously, iirc, Mike Sigel once said in a video something about throw that was incorrect. But he was teaching how to throw a ball and by duplicating his instructions one could learn to adequately throw the ball. How many players never knew or even cared whether Mike was right about the underlying WHY and instead just learned the HOW and used that knowledge to acquire another useful skill that made them money through more winning?

To me that is really what is important here. That Stan made two DVDs and wrote a book on the subject is just a bonus for those interested in learning it. Whatever insights he has discovered through study, table time, collaboration with others, are all there to enhance the understanding of the method but ultimately are not necessary to derive benefit from the adoption of the CTE method.

Kind of like how you don't NEED to have to access to other cuemaker's and their knowledge to make good cues but it's not really hurting you as a cue maker to have that access. I regularly study leatherworking techniques to find anything that can make us into better casemakers. I have a collection of bags and cases, including cue cases, that is extensive. Just a few days ago I got a case that is a fine piece of leather working and which uses a technique that I had somewhat imagined but never seen in person. Seeing it done in person was for me the proof of concept I needed to push me to try and make cases using it. I firmly believe that anyone who follows a doctrine of continuous improvement can, through some small positive improvement each day, learn what they need to in order to achieve competency and even excellence in their endeavors.

 

[JC]

Stan is able to explain it in ways that people understand. When I met Hal his instructions were counterintuitive and confusing to me. I resisted it because my brain was like WTF is this talking about.... I was in Bob Byrne's world of Ghost Ball and brute force muscle memory to learn shots. But when I chose to empty my cup so to speak I was able to just follow his directions and started making shots where I knew for a fact that I wasn't able to consistently make when playing prior to trying his method.

I have also tried to figure out some sort of underlying principles that would give a simple 2d diagram of WHY CTE works so well. And I think that I have found out a few things that are important but since I don't have more ability to express what I know in mathematical terms I can't say for sure if what I found out is on the right track. What I do know without any doubt whatsoever is that ultimately knowing the math or 3 dimensional geometry or calculus wouldn't help me to use this method. Just like the math behind ghost ball is useless to ghost ball users. For me the important thing is that I am able to get into the shot with confidence that I am on the right shot line. As I have told Pat and others why would it matter if my subconscious mind made a decision somewhere in the conscious process if the end result is way way way higher consistency in getting to the correct shot line.

For example, and this is NOT a critique, when I watch you play I see that you shoot decently but you rattle balls sometimes. IF that rattling is indicative of being slightly off the correct shot line and compensating subconsciously what then would be the benefit of your subconscious being informed to dial in to within a fraction of a millimeter of the correct shot line while standing up and then taking you to the correct shot line when you go into the shot. Instead of having to make a correction when your down that can have a cascading negative effect your conscious mind could, through a consistent process, lead you to the dead nuts perfect line over and over and over.

I have often said that a rising tide lifts all boats. So if I am 550 speed player and I learn CTE I can get some improvement but I still have many other issues such as stroke, pattern recognition, lack of experience, and so on....a 700+ speed player can potentially derive more benefit than I can in the short term because they already have most of their fundamentals and other factors handled. However if you consider a 550 who is diligently working on all those factors and he gets a good grounding in the CTE method of aiming what benefit might he have as his overall skills improve?

I will fully admit that Stan's method of communication can be hard to digest. He puts me to sleep as well. But then I watch it again and think about what he said and take it to the table and it makes sense and more importantly, it works. I don't know why this is such an argument. This isn't like someone selling you a sugar pill that they claim cures cancer. It's not life or death and not taking people's life savings. I am pretty sure that you, like most of us, have stuff you bought that sounded great and which turned out not to work as well for your needs as you thought it might.

If you put Stan's DVDs on Open Billiards Market or on the wfs forum here it will sell quickly. There are many who want the information and if they get it and it doesn't gel with them for whatever reason they can easily resell it. So it's not like anyone is actually in any danger of really losing money. But beyond that there is enough information online for free which can serve to introduce CTE to those interested. And there is a community of people willing to do instruction and conversation through video chat. I have helped a number of people that way. It's really fun to do it and see the results when a person goes OH NOW I SEE IT.

Packaging and presentation definitely matters. Probably not a surprise that I study this area as well. Multinational consumer goods corporations spend hundreds of millions testing for resonance among consumers. I TOTALLY get it when someone opens a video and the information doesn't resonate. I get the headache-inducing terminology, the slower cadence, taking a long route to the point...no debate on that. But honestly what should drive you here is the understanding that plenty of people do "get it" and keeping in mind that these people are not inherently dishonest just to fool you. They have no malicious intent in saying that CTE has improved their game and encouraging others to try it.

Just as you showed us video of you beating the ball-in-hand ghost to establish your level as a player we are impressed with Stan's and others videos of them beating the ghost while calling out the perceptions used for each shot. I would never feel that you aren't competent enough to teach pool after I see a video of you running out racks. Conversely if someone shows me a video of doing even harder stuff on the table than what you did I feel confident that they are worth listening to at the very least.

Famously, iirc, Mike Sigel once said in a video something about throw that was incorrect. But he was teaching how to throw a ball and by duplicating his instructions one could learn to adequately throw the ball. How many players never knew or even cared whether Mike was right about the underlying WHY and instead just learned the HOW and used that knowledge to acquire another useful skill that made them money through more winning?

To me that is really what is important here. That Stan made two DVDs and wrote a book on the subject is just a bonus for those interested in learning it. Whatever insights he has discovered through study, table time, collaboration with others, are all there to enhance the understanding of the method but ultimately are not necessary to derive benefit from the adoption of the CTE method.

Kind of like how you don't NEED to have to access to other cuemaker's and their knowledge to make good cues but it's not really hurting you as a cue maker to have that access. I regularly study leatherworking techniques to find anything that can make us into better casemakers. I have a collection of bags and cases, including cue cases, that is extensive. Just a few days ago I got a case that is a fine piece of leather working and which uses a technique that I had somewhat imagined but never seen in person. Seeing it done in person was for me the proof of concept I needed to push me to try and make cases using it. I firmly believe that anyone who follows a doctrine of continuous improvement can, through some small positive improvement each day, learn what they need to in order to achieve competency and even excellence in their endeavors.

Nice post thank you.

Asia just took my order for a case you are invited to deliver it and hang out for a couple days and show me the ways of CTE.

 

[JB Cases]

If you didn’t know I would refuse then we need to work on those reading comprehension skills, lol.

And yes, I am a banger. An amateur player, and I defy you to find *anywhere* in all the years I’ve been on the interweb, where I have ever said anything different. But this is what you like to do: setup a false premise so you can easily knock it down and prop up your feeble ego.

The thing about being coached is a prime example. Claiming how much better you would have played if you had been. But the thing is, John, that you could have had Efren whispering in your ear snd you still wouldn’t have been able to execute and that’s why your denial doesn’t hold water.

Your execution and spastic monkey stroke made you being coached less of an issue and it’s why I didn’t squawk, other than to tell Ed at the end of the first day I wouldn’t allow Dennis Spears to sit in your corner the next day because he was coaching you. And Ed said: yes, I could see him doing it from the booth and was waiting for you to say something.

You were being coached and when it comes to 1pocket that is tantamount to cheating. But you’re a nice guy, lol, just as when you tried to start a fight with Eric right before our match. But then, you’re a nice guy, right?

Lastly, you keep saying how much I play but for years nowadays I only play an hour or two. Several years ago I managed to tear the meniscuses in both knees and every three months I get them aspirated and shot up with cocktail of cortisone and other stuff. On average, my ortho drains 20cc+ out of my knees. The left one is doing pretty good but the right one is still problematic. Both knees have affected my mobility and endurance so I don’t play for long and haven’t for years. I haven’t been out at night to match up for over a decade.

So yes, I’m a banger and I’ve called that on myself since day one... but for the cheese, I still beat your weak nuts, lol : -)

Lou Figueroa

I was not being coached. I can't understand Dennis when I am face to face with him and intently trying to hear the words he says clearly. That you think he could coach me covertly in any meaningful way is ludicrous. Had that been my intent then I would brought someone else to the match and had a system of signals worked out. And IF I had intended to do that then I would have literally locked myself in the basement with a top player so that not only would I have the signals down but I could execute the shots called and then I would shot your nuts in.

Or as Lori Shampo put it, I would have shot your ovaries in. Dennis did give me some pointers in the days prior but at that point I was in full show mode and my attention was divided. He did act as a wingman of sorts and would say things like "the four ball" from time to time, which I could barely understand, but I wasn't actively looking for coaching and most of my shots were taken in seconds after you left the table.

Save the BS. You already contradicted yourself in this thread by claiming that it was ONLY after the super duper shot that EVERYONE else hated and which Dennis would NEVER NEVER NEVER tell me to shoot that you then claim you watched intently and noticed the alleged coaching. You were simply wrong and could barely get over the finish line due to your weak play.

Regarding your knees. I told you before that I would some to St. Louis and live there to play you in consideration of your claimed knee issues. I told you we could play for two hours a day until the set was done. You have found every excuse to duck me. Put up 20k son and agree to three games a day so that EVERY session ends with a winner and after two weeks we can prorate at 2000 per game if no one has gotten ten ahead. Every penny will be posted long before the match happens.

Let's see if the ahead set doesn't matter. You claim it wouldn't have mattered last time but at the end of nine hours you were only three games ahead. At the end of 18 games played between us you are two games ahead. Of those games you won I gifted you most of them. So I think you are pretty clear that you are talking out of your ass here. But here is your chance to prove it and prove that beating me wasn't a fluke.

And before you continue to cry about your knees, you're not the only one with physical issues. I have back and knee problems and obvious mental issues with staying grounded in important matches. Ought to be even easier for you to win this time. But if you're scared?

Surely you aren't scared of anything in Stan's new book and video series. I am however willing to invest $20,000 and bet that the information is helpful enough to me to beat you.

Time to get your backers lined up and don't forget to negotiate a better cut this time.

 

[JB Cases]

Nice post thank you.

Asia just took my order for a case you are invited to deliver it and hang out for a couple days and show me the ways of CTE.

I don't think I will make it to Oregon but I would certainly be happy to try and help through video chat.

 

[lfigueroa]

I was not being coached. I can't understand Dennis when I am face to face with him and intently trying to hear the words he says clearly. That you think he could coach me covertly in any meaningful way is ludicrous. Had that been my intent then I would brought someone else to the match and had a system of signals worked out. And IF I had intended to do that then I would have literally locked myself in the basement with a top player so that not only would I have the signals down but I could execute the shots called and then I would shot your nuts in.

Or as Lori Shampo put it, I would have shot your ovaries in. Dennis did give me some pointers in the days prior but at that point I was in full show mode and my attention was divided. He did act as a wingman of sorts and would say things like "the four ball" from time to time, which I could barely understand, but I wasn't actively looking for coaching and most of my shots were taken in seconds after you left the table.

Save the BS. You already contradicted yourself in this thread by claiming that it was ONLY after the super duper shot that EVERYONE else hated and which Dennis would NEVER NEVER NEVER tell me to shoot that you then claim you watched intently and noticed the alleged coaching. You were simply wrong and could barely get over the finish line due to your weak play.

Regarding your knees. I told you before that I would some to St. Louis and live there to play you in consideration of your claimed knee issues. I told you we could play for two hours a day until the set was done. You have found every excuse to duck me. Put up 20k son and agree to three games a day so that EVERY session ends with a winner and after two weeks we can prorate at 2000 per game if no one has gotten ten ahead. Every penny will be posted long before the match happens.

Let's see if the ahead set doesn't matter. You claim it wouldn't have mattered last time but at the end of nine hours you were only three games ahead. At the end of 18 games played between us you are two games ahead. Of those games you won I gifted you most of them. So I think you are pretty clear that you are talking out of your ass here. But here is your chance to prove it and prove that beating me wasn't a fluke.

And before you continue to cry about your knees, you're not the only one with physical issues. I have back and knee problems and obvious mental issues with staying grounded in important matches. Ought to be even easier for you to win this time. But if you're scared?

Surely you aren't scared of anything in Stan's new book and video series. I am however willing to invest $20,000 and bet that the information is helpful enough to me to beat you.

Time to get your backers lined up and don't forget to negotiate a better cut this time.

You can say you weren’t being coached all you want.

I saw and heard what I saw snd so did many other people, including Ed Liddawi, the owner of Sandcastle.

I only mentioned my knees to refuted your oft repeated claim of how much I play. I try to play every day for a much shorter period of time than I used to. The ahead set is just not something I’m willing to do because we’re both bangers and it could go on for quite a while — two hours a day or six. As I’ve told you on several ocassions when you do this baloney: I’m not playing an ahead set.

in any case, I don’t need to prove diddly-do-dah to myself or anyone. I beat you for $10K... without getting coached, boy.

Lou Figueroa

 

[Dan White]

For example, and this is NOT a critique, when I watch you play I see that you shoot decently but you rattle balls sometimes. IF that rattling is indicative of being slightly off the correct shot line and compensating subconsciously what then would be the benefit of your subconscious being informed to dial in to within a fraction of a millimeter of the correct shot line while standing up and then taking you to the correct shot line when you go into the shot. Instead of having to make a correction when your down that can have a cascading negative effect your conscious mind could, through a consistent process, lead you to the dead nuts perfect line over and over and over.

I said essentially the exact same thing about you and you disagreed with me. lol.

I will fully admit that Stan's method of communication can be hard to digest. He puts me to sleep as well. But then I watch it again and think about what he said and take it to the table and it makes sense and more importantly, it works. I don't know why this is such an argument. This isn't like someone selling you a sugar pill that they claim cures cancer. It's not life or death and not taking people's life savings. I am pretty sure that you, like most of us, have stuff you bought that sounded great and which turned out not to work as well for your needs as you thought it might.

You don't know why selling a product under false pretenses is a problem? The dollar amount shouldn't matter, and $100 is not chump change for many people. Simply put, Stan makes claims he does not and cannot know are true. He even says he doesn't know how it happens, but he is sure that it does. Those claims make his method very attractive to the average players who probably don't even know what the hell Stan is really claiming. (If they did they'd probably think twice). Why don't you infuse your cases with some Chinese chi while the kids are over there making your cases in their "school"? Then you can show how that chi is transferred to the cue, helping the player do better. I think it will improve sales.

Just some ideas...

 

[JB Cases]

Here is a CTE user who discovered ten shots from the same position using CTE visuals.

 

[Dan White]

I am however willing to invest $20,000 and bet that the information is helpful enough to me to beat you.

I know I'm sticking my nose in where it doesn't belong but I have to ask whether you plan to deduct your gambling losses again if you lose.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

The videos were done around the same time as I took the Dr. Dave tests. There was nothing jinky about them.

I'm actually a "B" player with a 609 fargo that's pretty up to date. Been having issues with my eyesight lately and getting frustrated having runs end on easy misses rather than positional errors. My best playing days are in the rear view mirror now. I used to be able to beat the ghost about half the time. I think my diamond table is tougher than my old GC 3 in the videos too.

No aiming system is going to cure what ails my game.

Cataracts? If so, hope they get worse as fast as possible so you can qualify for cataract surgery. I know some people, pool players and others, who got the surgery. One now has 20-20 in one eye and 20-15 in the other eye. He wore glasses and contacts since 2nd grade. Now nothing and his vision is unreal along with how much his pool game has improved.

If it's something else, old age hits everyone sooner than we think and it is what it is.

 

[Dan White]

Here is a CTE user who discovered ten shots from the same position using CTE visuals.
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Nice video. What size table? Also, he shows the tip placement with each shot. It would be interesting to know which CTE perception he is using and where the ball would go without any spin. Is that in there somewhere?

 

[JB Cases]

You can say you weren’t being coached all you want.

I saw and heard what I saw snd so did many other people, including Ed Liddawi, the owner of Sandcastle.

I only mentioned my knees to refuted your oft repeated claim of how much I play. I try to play every day for a much shorter period of time than I used to. The ahead set is just not something I’m willing to do because we’re both bangers and it could go on for quite a while — two hours a day or six. As I’ve told you on several ocassions when you do this baloney: I’m not playing an ahead set.

in any case, I don’t need to prove diddly-do-dah to myself or anyone. I beat you for $10K... without getting coached, boy.

Lou Figueroa

Son, you are simply wrong. I don't care what you claim Ed said to you. I know you WHINED about it and I told Ed it was ridiculous. Had I been coached I would have ROBBED you and taken every bit of action. But I guess when you're a dishonest person as you are then you have a hard time being honest about any situation in your life. Can't even give me credit for any good shots I made....had to be because I was coached....like I said a SORE WINNER. Now son, do you think that I would ever want to play you again if I thought that I lost while getting coached by a world class player? I mean I would have to know that without that help I wouldn't have a prayer. Yet I not only addressed this when you brought it up on this forum I said clearly that I would play you for MORE MONEY and we could set it up to insure that neither of us had any communication with anyone else. I will play you in a room with no other people and a single camera. You're just a shitty player and an even shittier person.

But if you want to act like a duck, quack like a duck then you're a duck.

 

[JB Cases]

Cataracts? If so, hope they get worse as fast as possible so you can qualify for cataract surgery. I know some people, pool players and others, who got the surgery. One now has 20-20 in one eye and 20-15 in the other eye. He wore glasses and contacts since 2nd grade. Now nothing and his vision is unreal along with how much his pool game has improved.

If it's something else, old age hits everyone sooner than we think and it is what it is.

Shit that's all I needed to know. I have cataracts and have been holding off on getting the surgery.

 

[lfigueroa]

Son, you are simply wrong. I don't care what you claim Ed said to you. I know you WHINED about it and I told Ed it was ridiculous. Had I been coached I would have ROBBED you and taken every bit of action. But I guess when you're a dishonest person as you are then you have a hard time being honest about any situation in your life. Can't even give me credit for any good shots I made....had to be because I was coached....like I said a SORE WINNER. Now son, do you think that I would ever want to play you again if I thought that I lost while getting coached by a world class player? I mean I would have to know that without that help I wouldn't have a prayer. Yet I not only addressed this when you brought it up on this forum I said clearly that I would play you for MORE MONEY and we could set it up to insure that neither of us had any communication with anyone else. I will play you in a room with no other people and a single camera. You're just a shitty player and an even shittier person.

But if you want to act like a duck, quack like a duck then you're a duck.

Say it all want you, boy, lots of people saw your cheating getting coached by Dennis Spears and posted about it.

So whatever it takes for you to sleep at night...
JB says, “I am not a cheater. I am not a cheater. I am not a cheater.”

Didn’t try and start a fight with Eric either, I suppose.

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

I know I'm sticking my nose in where it doesn't belong but I have to ask whether you plan to deduct your gambling losses again if you lose.

I’d be sure to claim my win to the IRS because you know he’d be all over THAT, lol.

Lou Figueroa

 

[JC]

Cataracts? If so, hope they get worse as fast as possible so you can qualify for cataract surgery. I know some people, pool players and others, who got the surgery. One now has 20-20 in one eye and 20-15 in the other eye. He wore glasses and contacts since 2nd grade. Now nothing and his vision is unreal along with how much his pool game has improved.

If it's something else, old age hits everyone sooner than we think and it is what it is.

Not cataracts yet. My dominant eye has developed an astigmatism to go along with the far sightedness so the soft contact lens' I've had for many years can't make that one see clear any more. Trouble seeing the edge of the ball at distance. Glasses really screw things up worse though. Been trying to wear a hard contact in that eye because it will correct the vision but it's been hard to get used to wearing for me. Better cue ball shape would eliminate the need to see sharply but that's another struggle.

I know some people who cataract surgery did wonders for their pool game as well.