Archer's Place, Marietta Ga...??

Was this an example of someone just lending their name tp a business and having no real financial interest in it? With all of the failing pool halls. this is the last thing the pool world needs. When I read about this place opening, it gave me hope that pool halls might really have a future.

But then again, I have no real idea of what happened. Does anyone who is willing to share have a handle on this?
 
Biloxi Boy said:
Was this an example of someone just lending their name tp a business and having no real financial interest in it? With all of the failing pool halls. this is the last thing the pool world needs. When I read about this place opening, it gave me hope that pool halls might really have a future.

But then again, I have no real idea of what happened. Does anyone who is willing to share have a handle on this?
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Never a poolhall. More of a sports bar with tables. Poorly run. Shit happens. From what i've learned Archer was kind of a semi absentee owner and his mgrs. did a bad job of running the place. Lot of bad reviews.
 
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garczar said:
Never a poolhall. More of a sports bar with tables. Poorly run. Shit happens. From what i've learned Archer was kind of a semi absentee owner and his mgrs. did a bad job of running the place. Lot of bad reviews.
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My hunch is neither he nor Rodney had a significant $ investment in this, if any at all. If they did, perhaps they would have given a little more effort. I’d guess the manager / managers had no $ investment either.
 
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ChrisinNC said:
My hunch is neither he nor Rodney had a significant $ investment in this, if any at all. If they did, perhaps they would have given a little more effort.
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Very likely. If other/bigger money was behind it you'd think they would have stepped in and taken over. If i was stakin' a deal like this i would have kicked Archer to the curb long before it got this bad. His name ain't worth much anymore. Maybe 20yrs ago but not now.
 
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I went to Marrietta Billiards in 2014 on a family vacation. I drove an hour from where we were at to check out Johnny's pool room.

It was empty and the tables were filthy. So bad I asked one of the girls working there if I could switch tables. I changed tables and that one was just as bad. This room was enormous....40-50 tables at least. The lobby was pretty big with empty cases that could house Tee shirts-hoodies-and anything else pool related. I would have bought a bunch....if available.

I had a brief conversation with a girl that worked there...and she pretty much told me that it was completely mismanaged.

I'm not suprised at the demise of his new pool room. I don't think he could mange a Kool-aid stand.
 
And lets not forget Oscar getting air barreled playing Johnny in his own room.

Form your own opinions......but johnny's got issues.
 
krelldog said:
And lets not forget Oscar getting air barreled playing Johnny in his own room.

Form your own opinions......but johnny's got issues.
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I never understood getting air barreled!! If it’s $500 or more post the money!!! Money posted is locked and nobody gets scammed. Well…. I’ve heard some stories of players taking the stack off the light and said tough luck pal 😳😳😳. If you know then you know
 
RunoutJJ said:
I never understood getting air barreled!! If it’s $500 or more post the money!!! Money posted is locked and nobody gets scammed. Well…. I’ve heard some stories of players taking the stack off the light and said tough luck pal 😳😳😳. If you know then you know
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Oscar didn't think a player like Archer could be such a nit. Well, he was wrong. Archer is a colossal nit. I don't care how good he once was. Total jackoff in my book.
 
I've read the social media posts for many months, in some cases, in the form of cyberbullying of Johnny Archer because of him "stiffing Oscar" for a very large sum. First and foremost. it is flat-out wrong that Johnny did this to Oscar. No question about it.

I have remained mum about my opinion on what Johnny did for several reasons. Some people who were involved in business dealings with Johnny in the past have spoken to my other half about what actually happened between them and Johnny, and none of it is good, and most of it has remained private between the parties involved. Johnny should be ashamed, but he did not act alone in letting the businesses fail and absorbing profits that did not belong to him, profits that should have been split evenly with partners.

Oscar was gracious and showered Johnny with grace online a few days ago, expressing his sorrow for Johnny's new pool room to go belly up. In fact, the new pool room was foreclosed. I am so impressed with Oscar's maturity and ability to do so in public on social media. He must have had a good upbringing with a father like Ernesto.

Oh, and one more thing. One time at Turning Stone, Keith and Johnny were in a match and began to argue about the rack. What else is new?! Johnny refused to accept Keith's rack and vice versa, and then the verbal assaults started flying for everyone to hear. And then it escalated. I was so very embarrassed at Keith's behavior. Johnny beat Keith that match, and when it was over, I just wanted to get the hell out of the joint and go back to our room. I could not hold back my tears and began crying. What can I say? I'm a girl. Johnny looked over my way and saw how emotional I was, and he immediately came over to me and grabbed my hands and shared some words with me, letting me know it's just pool and I should not be so upset, that he and Keith are still good friends. He even gave me a hug. I will never forget that kindness Johnny showed me. He does have some good in him.

I refuse to jump on the Cyberbullying Train to rag on Johnny Archer. I do not condone what he did, but I feel if Oscar can show him grace, so can I.

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The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones.” These insightful words were spoken by Marc Antony in Shakespeare's Julius Caesar.

in gambling the bad things you do follow you all your life, as its a tight community. so what you do is a real reflection on your reputation
 
maha said:
The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones.” These insightful words were spoken by Marc Antony in Shakespeare's Julius Caesar.

in gambling the bad things you do follow you all your life, as its a tight community. so what you do is a real reflection on your reputation
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Modern version goes thusly, 'Once a douchebag always a douchebag'.
 
ChrisinNC said:
My hunch is neither he nor Rodney had a significant $ investment in this, if any at all. If they did, perhaps they would have given a little more effort. I’d guess the manager / managers had no $ investment either.
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Chris, I think Johnny went in deep, too deep. He called me prior to buying this room and discussed with me the investment required. After giving me the details I asked him what his net worth was. He would be mortgaging his home and using most of his savings (if not all) to finance this deal. It wouldn't come cheap either. My advice then (and now for others) was not to do it! He was putting all his eggs in one basket, not a good idea financially. But he wanted to own a poolroom and he did. I believe he was the 60% owner (and controlling partner) of this room.

Later on I found out he was not even coming in there every day, for reasons unknown to me. I called him and told him in no uncertain terms he needed to be there, both to keep an eye on his business and to greet his new customers. He was still a pool celebrity back then. He did not take my advice and the rest is history.

Johnny has been my friend since he was a teenager. I feel bad for him if only half of what I'm hearing is correct. Been a long time now since we spoke. I don't know if I'm up to calling him, other than to check on his well being.
 
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imagine if a top or very good player in his own area opened a good room with great, food and drinks.
and was there every day and gave out quick lessons to people, shot trick shots, fraternized with the players and helped out with their games.
organized small tournaments, etc.

problem is those that do, hire cheapo minimum wage people to run it or work there who don't give a rats ass about the place, as pool players aren't big tippers unless its for the food part of their stay.
 
jay helfert said:
Chris, I think Johnny went in deep, too deep. He called me prior to building out his room and discussed with me the investment required. After giving me the details I asked him what his net worth was. He would be mortgaging his home and using most of his savings (if not all) to finance this deal. It wouldn't come cheap either. My advice then (and now for others) was not to do it! He was putting all his eggs in one basket, not a good idea financially. But he wanted to own a poolroom and he did. I believe he was the 60% owner (and controlling partner) of this room.

Later on I found out he was not even coming in there every day, for reasons unknown to me. I called him and told him in no uncertain terms he needed to be there, both to keep an eye on his business and to greet his new customers. He was still a pool celebrity back then. He did not take my advice and the rest is history.

Johnny has been my friend since he was a teenager. I feel bad for him if only half of what I'm hearing is correct. Been a long time now since we spoke. I don't know if I'm up to calling him, other than to check on his well being.
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I wonder what happened to the Marietta Billiard Club he owned previously? I'm sure he knew the commitment and time requirement to run a successful pool room. Maybe life situations would have made this a bad time for him to make a major investment. Maybe his head wasn't in the best space??
 
maha said:
imagine if a top or very good player in his own area opened a good room with great, food and drinks.
and was there every day and gave out quick lessons to people, shot trick shots, fraternized with the players and helped out with their games.
organized small tournaments, etc.
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Sounds like Oscar’s Hard Times in Sacramento. The difference is Hard Times was an established relatively successful pool room when Oscar took it over. Add to that Oscar has had the extremely valuable experience, advice and support of his dad, Ernesto.
 
ChrisinNC said:
Sounds like Oscar’s Hard Times in Sacramento. The difference is Hard Times was an established relatively successful pool room when Oscar took it over. Add to that Oscar has had the extremely valuable experience, advice and support of his dad, Ernesto.
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More like Kenny who owned HT, Bellflower.
Ernesto never had a pool room as far as I know.
Kenny bought HT from Chuck before Chuck moved to Sacramento.
 
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