Huh. Strange. First i've heard of it. They must not be to too upset otherwise they'd be a bit more vocal. Like i said, they're just another org. kissing WPA ass. BTW, i just scrolled all the news updates i could find on BCA's site and didn't see ONE word about any of this. If you have a link to any statement by them i'd love to read it.
SVB withdraws from future WPA events
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The impact would be immeasurable!!!!
Glad to hear barpa
Barpa
You know its really just me. BARPA was the promotional name of my college design project.
It's easier to call it billiards.
It was on one of the "Doggin' It" pool player podcasts last summer/fall when this shit first hit the fan. I believe they had on whoever was in charge of the BCA at the time.
I just checked my emails, I can't find his personal response to me. It might have been a webform not an email.
Sorry I forgot everyone's name now.
I found it. Sounded like nothing but bullshit legal word-salad to me. If he's the BCA vp i really hope the Pres. is sharper. that guy did nothing but dance around the questions.
Yep, my bad!
just jackin with ya.
I thought that I successfully pissed off some people with my ignorant post. Oh well, glad you chime in anyway
CanadianGuy
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does this include the International Open?
He who has the gold makes the rules!
Great question. It's been sanctioned with the WPA in the past. I don't see it on the WPA Calendar this year. Perhaps it's unsanctioned with the WPA. Also it is a WNT ranking event on the Matchroom schedule. So perhaps it's definitely unsanctioned with the WPA.
Does this mean Jayson is no longer looking to win another Turning Stone?
dquarasr
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This reminds me of the schisms in auto racing a few decades ago.
IRL (Indy Racing League) v ChampCar for control of IndyCar racing.
GrandAm v IMSA for control of sports endurance racing.
In both instances, the warring factions were both hurt by the splits, and continued to be hurt divvying up the audience, sponsorships, and revenue dollars to the detriment of both.
Also in both instances, the sports recovered and strengthened when the reality hit and they agreed to merge forces, after which both IndyCar and sports car facing in the US flourished.
When the pie is already too small, slicing it up isn’t the answer.
IRL (Indy Racing League) v ChampCar for control of IndyCar racing.
GrandAm v IMSA for control of sports endurance racing.
In both instances, the warring factions were both hurt by the splits, and continued to be hurt divvying up the audience, sponsorships, and revenue dollars to the detriment of both.
Also in both instances, the sports recovered and strengthened when the reality hit and they agreed to merge forces, after which both IndyCar and sports car facing in the US flourished.
When the pie is already too small, slicing it up isn’t the answer.
Int Open is on the WNT schedule. TS starts 5 days after US Open ends.
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Kinda apples-n-oranges. Those splits in autosport were between different racing orgs. This deal is a rules making/sanctioning body vs. a pro pool organization. I see where you're going but WNT vs. WPA is not really the same as CART/URL. A closer analogy would be back in 1980's F1 where the FIA tried to tell the racers/FOCA/Bernie how to run their business. Bernie won and became a billionaire as F1 exploded.
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I think the main reason for Pat Fleming to get a WPA sanction was to ensure the players who had a WPA license would not worry about playing. With essentially all of the pro players now ignoring the WPA, that reason has gone away.
The other reason for getting a WPA sanction was for calendar protection. The WPA calendar is no longer interesting, and even when it was, the protection did not always work well.
That makes sense to me. It comes up because these players have all cam forward saying:
And so it was curious if the Intl Open was sanctioned and if these players were going to boycott it. But it appears not sanctioned and moot.
The only other US-based tournament that would raise that same question is Turning Stone. That is on the WPA calendar and appears to be sanctioned. Will we see this same deluge of players boycotting Turning Stone because it is WPA sanctioned? Even players that have already signed up? Even a player that's won it more than anyone else and has been advertised as confirmed?
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I suspect that Turning Stone might have been sanctioned by the WPA in the same way TS was on the WNT ranking list. That is, I suspect that Mike Zuglan was not in contact with either organization. I guess someone could ask Mike.