Agreed... searching for the motivation and ignoring it at the same time.
Where are all the CF butts?
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I don't think my Revo hit any better or worse than any 314/Z shafts I've had the prior 20 years, it plays exactly the same to me. But I've had it 5 years now, and there is not an even a hint of a ding, scratch, or wear on it. I can't say the same for any 314/Z or wood butt I've every had, which all get battle scars no matter how careful I am.
I'm not looking for a magic hit with a CF butt. I think a plain butt with nothing on it would sell like hot cakes, if made by one of the Chinese companies and priced at $100 or less for the butt only. There are plenty of CF shafts now that are very nice quality for less than $100. The Crical complete cue with wood butt and a very nice CF shaft is $130 total. If one of those companies used the exact same material and construction technique on the butt that they do on the shaft, sign me right up.
We could probably leave in the car year round, bang it around. No finish to chip. Nothing to warp. Etc. And from what we've seen of the CF shafts, they'd be straighter than the wood butts when new, and definitely straighter over the long term.
Some company is missing a big opportunity IMO.
I'm not looking for a magic hit with a CF butt. I think a plain butt with nothing on it would sell like hot cakes, if made by one of the Chinese companies and priced at $100 or less for the butt only. There are plenty of CF shafts now that are very nice quality for less than $100. The Crical complete cue with wood butt and a very nice CF shaft is $130 total. If one of those companies used the exact same material and construction technique on the butt that they do on the shaft, sign me right up.
We could probably leave in the car year round, bang it around. No finish to chip. Nothing to warp. Etc. And from what we've seen of the CF shafts, they'd be straighter than the wood butts when new, and definitely straighter over the long term.
Some company is missing a big opportunity IMO.
sudocrushms
Well-known member
I think the Rhinos are all carbon.
Mine is fine, balance is a little weird, but a good truck cue (mine stays under the back seat). Would be a solid choice for a first "real cue" at $360ish with an extension. Just need to swap out that shit Crystal tip.
Mine is fine, balance is a little weird, but a good truck cue (mine stays under the back seat). Would be a solid choice for a first "real cue" at $360ish with an extension. Just need to swap out that shit Crystal tip.
TheRooster
Member
A CF tube for a butt probably weights from -3-8oz depending on the diameter and wall thickness. Light, but they can obviously be weighted
Thanks. Not exactly what I wanted but very interesting. I spent some time on their site. I might contact them.
I swore I wouldn’t do another cheap Chinese cue/shaft again the last time around. Haha.
ldmitchell
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I have assembled a couple of butts from carbon fiber. I wanted to make a break cue with a 7 ounce shaft and overall weight of 18 ounces. The cue didn’t perform any better than my jump break cue. A friend tried the butt and loves it for regular play.
I made a second one and with a titanium pin it weighs only 10 ounces. Surprisingly it feels good to shoot with. My speed control is not as good as with my 19 ounce regular player so far.
I made a second one and with a titanium pin it weighs only 10 ounces. Surprisingly it feels good to shoot with. My speed control is not as good as with my 19 ounce regular player so far.
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What I want to know is where are all the wood shafts in 5/16 x14 from quality cue makers that all you guys don’t use anymore since you shifted to CF after your dose of Kool Aid?
If any of you are of a mind to sell these quality wood shafts you no longer use, DM me with what you have. Thank you
If any of you are of a mind to sell these quality wood shafts you no longer use, DM me with what you have. Thank you
I think the good wood has all been snapped up, no?
Patience seems gone too these days, and not just in this scenario.
I'm guessing carbon cost at the manufacturer level must be near equal to appropriate quality wood and the time to turnover is far quicker.
Add that to the fact that carbon can be tuned to practically infinite specs, shiiiit. I think we see where we are going.
Like bicycles, unless you go boutique you're only going to get carbon frames, forks, wheels, bars, seatpost and seat rails.
I think we see where we are going and I play primarily with wood and guess I prefer it
P.S. just between the two of us, keep an eye out for Paul dayton shafts. I have a couple and they are top notch. He isn't a major name in the game but his shit was real good. RIP
Yeah that’s kinda what I was referring to, not new wood shafts, as I think your supposition of all the good wood being gone is correct, or at least most of it.
I was more referring to those that own old Scruggs, Tascarellas, etc. that for whatever reason have set aside those good old growth wood shafts to mount and use CF and other aftermarket LD shafts on those fabulous old cues.
Yeahhhh, you’re right about Paul Daytons stuff as well. I have a friend that has one of his cues and several of what this friend says Paul called “Lakewood shafts” that came with his cue. Old wood that had been salvaged from old growth trees lost during transport in lakes or other waterways in transport way back in the earlier days of this country, those shafts he has play AMAZING, but he won’t part with them. You never seemingly see them or much of Paul’s work come up for sale, there’s good reason for that.
This sounds like it would be an excellent option for a breaker in those tournaments, like turning stone that allow you to jump with a full break cue, but not a jump cue
That's a cool looking butt.
The news of the demise of steel-framed bikes has been highly exaggerated. They are still readily available, new and used. Carbon fiber frames depreciate very rapidly, by comparison. To anyone who hasn't bought into the marketing hype, they are ugly frames made with an unsuitable material. While strong in some ways, a big scratch in the wrong place can render the frame unsafe to ride. Plus, carbon fiber tends to fail catastrophically when it fails. Steel tends to fail non-catastrophically when it fails. Bend a steel bike fork, and there's a good chance you can still ride home. Even if a carbon fiber fork suffered no outwardly visible damage in such an impact, it would, at best, still need to be closely inspected by someone with expertise in carbon fiber construction and repair to make sure there is no hidden damage, and some such experts would still be reluctant to risk their reputation or the rider's safety by recommending the fork be used again.
Most bicyclists who ride their bikes for anything other than racing tend to avoid CF.
Xdecemberguy
Active member
Numerous reasons I would never buy a carbon fiber cue butt. One, I like to support craftsmen making something special. Two, wood has a great feed back and the proper weight naturally. Three, it gives me a reason to take care of my property. I'm not a lazy slob. Four, I enjoy keeping some part of tradition alive in the game. Five, no real benefit. Show me some data and I might consider but probably won't. Thanks
Pfft!
OverTheNut
Active member
Cuetec Cynergy X.
Put a How medium tip on a 12.5 and you have a great cue that plays really well.
Extensions screw right in. Looks sharp. Wrapless will last you for ever with minimum maintenance.
Is it gimmicky? Sure.
Do you need a CF butt? Of course not.
Just like you don't need turquoise inlays or flashing lights on a cue butt. It's a matter of choice...
Put a How medium tip on a 12.5 and you have a great cue that plays really well.
Extensions screw right in. Looks sharp. Wrapless will last you for ever with minimum maintenance.
Is it gimmicky? Sure.
Do you need a CF butt? Of course not.
Just like you don't need turquoise inlays or flashing lights on a cue butt. It's a matter of choice...
I still have all of mine. Predator wood shafts over 20 years, maybe 10 of them. I'll probably not use them again, but at the same time I don't want to sell them.
The custom cues with the 1" ivory ferrule shafts I sold them all 5 years ago and went to production Predator butts, because none of those cues looked good aesthetically with a Revo shaft.
Yes, this is the look I'm after. Thanks. Although now that I see it in a picture, I'm not sure I like it. hahaha.
you can get a butt only from them for 109bux. https://okhealing.shop/collections/cue-butts