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05-22-2012, 01:13 PM

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It is idiotic posts such as yours that have absolutely no benefit to the conversation.

Taiwan is about the size of Maryland and Delaware combined - so how much can I bet you that these players don't live 800 miles from each other?

That being said, the rest of your comments are now discounted as well and in fact what is dishonesty here.
There was a commentator on the TAR Stream that even mentioned that all the Taiwan players lived 8 HOURS (not 800 miles) from each other by car, and possibly 5 hours by train. I think it was Charlie Williams who said that, and quickly the conversation got turned off the subject. This was replayed on the Riviera TV's when TAR was offline.


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05-22-2012, 01:23 PM

I don't understand why everyone is crying about playing a tough opponent. It was an open event. Taiwan (unlike the States) has numerous pool schools where you pay a monthly stipend to learn the game. They just don't go to a bar and hope to get better. Some are even ranked within their individual schools. And once you achieve a certain level, you are even sponsored...rather given the opportunity to travel and play in big tournaments. It's a different scene there. We've all played tough opponents/gotten hustled. As players we should challenge ourselves to reach a higher level. They were raised to the next level so they didn't get away with anything.
  
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05-22-2012, 01:28 PM

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I don't understand why everyone is crying about playing a tough opponent. It was an open event. Taiwan (unlike the States) has numerous pool schools where you pay a monthly stipend to learn the game. They just don't go to a bar and hope to get better. Some are even ranked within their individual schools. And once you achieve a certain level, you are even sponsored...rather given the opportunity to travel and play in big tournaments. It's a different scene there. We've all played tough opponents/gotten hustled. As players we should challenge ourselves to reach a higher level. They were raised to the next level so they didn't get away with anything.
You know all that about a land far-far away, but don't know what a stipend is?

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05-22-2012, 01:31 PM

I got to play them numerous times, there has to be a reason why CSI held out to pay them for singles other than they were too good. Waiting on mark to explain.

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You know all that about a land far-far away, but don't know what a stipend is?

Wowzers.
I'm not going to get in a shouting match with you. Yes, you pay a monthly amount. And yes, I do have friends who live in Taiwan. So, are we good.
  
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I'm not going to get in a shouting match with you. Yes, you pay a monthly amount. And yes, I do have friends who live in Taiwan. So, are we good.
Is that a question?

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05-22-2012, 02:13 PM

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I don't understand why everyone is crying about playing a tough opponent. It was an open event. Taiwan (unlike the States) has numerous pool schools where you pay a monthly stipend to learn the game. They just don't go to a bar and hope to get better. Some are even ranked within their individual schools. And once you achieve a certain level, you are even sponsored...rather given the opportunity to travel and play in big tournaments. It's a different scene there. We've all played tough opponents/gotten hustled. As players we should challenge ourselves to reach a higher level. They were raised to the next level so they didn't get away with anything.
The reason it's an issue is that the open division at the BCAPL Nationals is not "open" like, say the US Open 10 Ball Championship is open. It is for players up to a certain skill level. Above that you are supposed to be in one of the higher divisions.


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05-22-2012, 02:22 PM

What if all these players had been here several times with other teams, but this year they decided to form an all-star team, is that illegal. Players don't have to go to nationals with the team that they qualified with.

IMO, with any handicap event, there will always be someone who shouldn't be qualified to play. Maybe one day that will be me, lol.


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05-22-2012, 02:27 PM

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The reason it's an issue is that the open division at the BCAPL Nationals is not "open" like, say the US Open 10 Ball Championship is open. It is for players up to a certain skill level. Above that you are supposed to be in one of the higher divisions.
Thank you for clarifying that for me.

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05-22-2012, 02:32 PM

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What if all these players had been here several times with other teams, but this year they decided to form an all-star team, is that illegal. Players don't have to go to nationals with the team that they qualified with.

IMO, with any handicap event, there will always be someone who shouldn't be qualified to play. Maybe one day that will be me, lol.
Well, it's kind of against the rules to form teams in this fashion. But for individuals, they can just play their minimum 8 weeks of play in a sanctioned league (on 8 different nights) and come and play.

There is always going to be an issue with countries half way around the world from the US and trusting they legally played all the weeks mentioned and qualified as a team per the rules.

Here in the States it's a lot easier to manage as most big cities/counties have multiple BCAPL League Operators and for the Most Part they follow the rules correctly.


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05-22-2012, 02:35 PM

i just know that two of the guys on that team are somewhat known pros in taiwan (yu and zheng) the rest of the team are probably just strong amateur players in the country.
  
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i just know that two of the guys on that team are somewhat known pros in taiwan (yu and zheng) the rest of the team are probably just strong amateur players in the country.
Which would make ALL of them too strong to play in the OPEN Division. Hopefully the League Operator is held accountable.


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05-22-2012, 03:14 PM

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The reason it's an issue is that the open division at the BCAPL Nationals is not "open" like, say the US Open 10 Ball Championship is open. It is for players up to a certain skill level. Above that you are supposed to be in one of the higher divisions.
Incorrect. If you play BCAPL in Vegas, you can come in and play in the Open Division first time.

After you play, you get rated by your finishing position. If singles finish is high enough, you get raised to Advanced.

If your team finished high enough, the same players cannot play in the Open the next year ( the think only 2 or 3 originals) but your team can play in the Advanced or Masters.


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05-22-2012, 04:16 PM

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Incorrect. If you play BCAPL in Vegas, you can come in and play in the Open Division first time.

After you play, you get rated by your finishing position. If singles finish is high enough, you get raised to Advanced.

If your team finished high enough, the same players cannot play in the Open the next year ( the think only 2 or 3 originals) but your team can play in the Advanced or Masters.
Um, not necessarily! Players are ranked by "Known Ability" before coming in the first time.

We have players in Arizona that were marked as "Advanced" before this year and they have never played at Nationals even once.

If someone is PRO caliber or Top Amateur in a different country, why in the world would they want to come and compete in the OPEN division? Unless they wanted to rob the tournament....

Someday, maybe the Advanced and Master will grow large enough that the prize money is higher than the OPEN Division and players can come in and try and rob those tourneys at least once. And then the OPEN would be a great fair field of dedicated 'League Players'!


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05-22-2012, 05:11 PM

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Um, not necessarily! Players are ranked by "Known Ability" before coming in the first time.

We have players in Arizona that were marked as "Advanced" before this year and they have never played at Nationals even once.

If someone is PRO caliber or Top Amateur in a different country, why in the world would they want to come and compete in the OPEN division? Unless they wanted to rob the tournament....

Someday, maybe the Advanced and Master will grow large enough that the prize money is higher than the OPEN Division and players can come in and try and rob those tourneys at least once. And then the OPEN would be a great fair field of dedicated 'League Players'!
You will need to show me that ruling that handicaps a player before playing the Nationals


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