1 Pocket World Championships, update...

[Nick B]

Nobody's crying. Your foolishness speaks for it's self. He didn't fulfill his tournaments. 100K/yr promises and so on. You didn't accept my terms. Even when I offered you 5:1. That speaks for it's self.

Facts and figures are not your friends. He spent nothing close to what he claimed. He paid even less of what he owed. Your comparison to RG is obviously a jealous strike at a man who you don't measure up to. This is what you felt in me and thus you didn't take me up on my challenge. You knew in your petty little head that not only would you lose I would show up and flog you at your game.

"The tour is still going". You should get the nurses to turn up the medication.

Nick

It was one year. And when the year mark came up and KT was still at the helm and the tour was still going - you were no where to be found.

Post the PM's including yours and we can see who is right.

I don't envy Goldwater in the least. Nor do I enshrine Trudeau. Whether the hotels got paid or not does NOT CHANGE the fact that Trudeau paid out MORE to PLAYERS than he took in during the IPT adventure.

How much money was actually PAID to the players? How much money was taken in from the players, including qualifier participants? All the rest is ugly, the dreams dashed, the expenses incurred, broken promises. But the money was real while it lasted.

I know you want to make this about KT. I only use KT in comparison to Goldwater because Goldwater is showing the same sort of "because I can" bullying tactics that KT employed. Pot, Kettle, Black.

Nick, you can't win against me. You cried when I beat you online and you would cry if I beat you in real life. You're right I am a keyboard warrior and I win the battle of the keyboard against you every time you try and step up. Perhaps you should bite your tongue more, it would hurt less.

 

[ribdoner]

Is HE still dating GLORIA??

 

[John Barton]

Nobody's crying. Your foolishness speaks for it's self. He didn't fulfill his tournaments. 100K/yr promises and so on. You didn't accept my terms. Even when I offered you 5:1. That speaks for it's self.

Facts and figures are not your friends. He spent nothing close to what he claimed. He paid even less of what he owed. Your comparison to RG is obviously a jealous strike at a man who you don't measure up to. This is what you felt in me and thus you didn't take me up on my challenge. You knew in your petty little head that not only would you lose I would show up and flog you at your game.

"The tour is still going". You should get the nurses to turn up the medication.

Nick

"Was" still going. Read - - comprehend - think - respond. It works if you do it in that order.

I don't care what KT claimed he paid or lost. I only care about what he did actually pay out to the players. And THAT amount was quite substantial and MORE than he took in. But keep throwing up red herrings, it's easier than facing facts.

Jealous of Randy? Hardly. But your paycheck ought to be on it's way for keeping Randy's nuts clean. You are now officially on the Goldwater bootlicker team. Unless you quoted me and "forced" Randy to read a comment I made. Then you are on the watch list.

I am so jealous, such a little person, with no imagination. I couldn't begin to dream of the wonderful life of Randy Goldwater. Surrounded by adoring sycophants, able to buy players at will and claim them as friends. What a glorious life. A superb life. Oh that I could live that life. But I dare not dream above my station. I can only imagine enough to believe that I might one day aspire to be a brown nosing yes man like you Nick. That is more attainable for a failure like me.

 

[Nick B]

What he paid out in meaningless. I'll repeat meaningless. People acted on his complete promise. They invested based on the whole thing.

I thought you where a businessman. I assumed you would understand.

Let's say hypothetically, If you offer the worlds best cue case for say 5K and offered a lifetime warranty and I decided to buy one. Now you deliver and it's the worlds most beautiful case. 2 years later it falls apart and I ask you to fix it. Now you tell me that your not honoring the warranty because you didn't receive the kind of revenue you expected. Would you tell me it's OK that I paid 5K because it's gorgeous?

Nick

"Was" still going. Read - - comprehend - think - respond. It works if you do it in that order.

I don't care what KT claimed he paid or lost. I only care about what he did actually pay out to the players. And THAT amount was quite substantial and MORE than he took in. But keep throwing up red herrings, it's easier than facing facts.

Jealous of Randy? Hardly. But your paycheck ought to be on it's way for keeping Randy's nuts clean. You are now officially on the Goldwater bootlicker team. Unless you quoted me and "forced" Randy to read a comment I made. Then you are on the watch list.

I am so jealous, such a little person, with no imagination. I couldn't begin to dream of the wonderful life of Randy Goldwater. Surrounded by adoring sycophants, able to buy players at will and claim them as friends. What a glorious life. A superb life. Oh that I could live that life. But I dare not dream above my station. I can only imagine enough to believe that I might one day aspire to be a brown nosing yes man like you Nick. That is more attainable for a failure like me.

 

[John Barton]

What he paid out in meaningless. I'll repeat meaningless. People acted on his complete promise. They invested based on the whole thing.

I thought you where a businessman. I assumed you would understand.

Let's say hypothetically, If you offer the worlds best cue case for say 5K and offered a lifetime warranty and I decided to buy one. Now you deliver and it's the worlds most beautiful case. 2 years later it falls apart and I ask you to fix it. Now you tell me that your not honoring the warranty because you didn't receive the kind of revenue you expected. Would you tell me it's OK that I paid 5K because it's gorgeous?

Nick

Maybe it is meaningless to you but not to the players who did get paid and who continue to get paid. Those checks cashed.

That money was paid out and is the ONLY point I am making.

If you bought a case from me and I didn't follow through then you would have grounds to seek redress. If a court found that you were right you should be compensated. Simple really. There are no guarantees on the future Nick. You know that. If you think so then perhaps you are mad at yourself for being a sucker.

Yeah it's okay that you paid 5k if you believed the thing you were buying was worth it and that the company would be around. You are responsible for your choices. If my reputation up to that point supported a reasonable assumption that I would do everything I could to honor my promise then you would have to act on that decision. If my reputation were otherwise and you went against it and bought the case anyway then you were foolish.

The players each made their own decisions as to how much of themselves to give to the IPT. They were all aware of KT and his past and chose to follow him. As a group they received far more cash back than they paid out. As individuals some made nice profits and others incurred losses. But all them were playing the odds against a potentially huge payoff.

In your case example you are paying a large up front fee in return for a future promise. Only the qualifier players in the IPT had this happen to them and really only the winner of each qualifier is entitled to damages. Still, as a whole, the IPT paid out more to pool players than it took in.

To make a better example that is more apt. I ask you to pay the cost of materials and give you a case that is worth $5000 with the promise to fix it if something goes wrong. Two years later it breaks and I am unable to fix it. You are out the cost of materials only but have had two years of use of a $5000 case. A judge would likely find that you have suffered no harm, especially if I unable to fulfill the promise.

Don't confuse me with a businessman, someone might think I am somehow in the same class as Randy. Seriously, I am the farthest thing from a businessman. Randy is right in that respect. I fail at business because I don't have the necessary ruthlessness that is needed to succeed. But I succeed at life quite easily and happily! I can pretty much guarantee you that I have more fun each day than most people. The smiles I get and give are worth far more than money.

 

[punter]

very risky

My mother and stepfather owned a small business which catered to the military, for many years before 9/11. After our country was attacked, they were approached about increasing production from 6 units a year, to several hundred. I stepped in and invested over a million dollars of my own mpney to relocate the company out of state and to a larger facility. I assumed all the risk. Profiteers, imo, raise their prices during a crisis. Anyone who has dealt with the military knows that they set the price. Our company, in the many years of contracts with the department of defense, never raised prices, even after 9/11. We were fortunate in that within a few years, we were offered a handsome amount from a famed buy out firm.
Rg

Your parents company was the only existing company making this product and the government approached them to increase their order from 6 to several hundred, AND YOU CAME IN TO ASSUME ALL OF THE RISK. LOL. Sounds more like you swooped in when you saw a sure thing.

 

[John Barton]

Your parents company was the only existing company making this product and the government approached them to increase their order from 6 to several hundred, AND YOU CAME IN TO ASSUME ALL OF THE RISK. LOL. Sounds more like you swooped in when you saw a sure thing.

Yeah, I am pretty sure that any bank would have given up the million bucks if they had a military contract in hand.

And for the record, the military doesn't set the prices. There are many ways to achieve government and military contracts and the government often pays a far higher price than it needs to for goods and services. As I know being one who worked for the government, and who also was in the Air Force and one who sells to the military.

 

[jay helfert]

Why does it seem like we are just going in circles here. Is it just me? Maybe I am just in a bad mood today. Sorry

 

[memikey]

.....only the winner of each qualifier is entitled to damages....

Quite apart from the moral aspects, in a legal perspective this is a flawed contention.....try selling raffle tickets for a car and then inform the winner that the prize does not exist.....then see if the courts decide that only the winner is entitled to at least his ticket money back

......To make a better example that is more apt. I ask you to pay the cost of materials and give you a case that is worth $5000 with the promise to fix it if something goes wrong. Two years later it breaks and I am unable to fix it. You are out the cost of materials only but have had two years of use of a $5000 case. A judge would likely find that you have suffered no harm, especially if I unable to fulfill the promise.

Legally, your ability or inability to fulfil the promise has no bearing whatsoever on whether the judge would find that the plaintiff has or has not suffered harm.

However it obviously may have considerable effect on whether there was any realistic prospect of the plaintiff ever receiving settlement of any monetary award the judge might make in respect of that harm

 

[John Barton]

Quite apart from the moral aspects, in a legal perspective this is a flawed contention.....try selling raffle tickets for a car and then inform the winner that the prize does not exist.....then see if the courts decide that only the winner is entitled to at least his ticket money back



Legally, your ability or inability to fulfil the promise has no bearing whatsoever on whether the judge would find that the plaintiff has or has not suffered harm.

However it obviously may have considerable effect on whether there was any realistic prospect of the plaintiff ever receiving settlement of any monetary award the judge might make in respect of that harm

Yes, I agree with you. That makes sense. The IPT has however "offered" to refund the money of all qualifier entrants. Whether that offer has any substance or not remains to be seen.

I mean to say that the amount of compensation might be affected by my ability to compensate. For example if I were in an accident and completely unable to fulfill the promise then perhaps the court would take that as mitigating circumstances.

 

[HighEndCues]

Why does it seem like we are just going in circles here. Is it just me? Maybe I am just in a bad mood today. Sorry

Jay,
100% agree...
This is getting very old..
This is supposed to be a pool forum..
Repeated posts of name calling.. Enough already..
Also rediculous comparisons to Kevin Trudeau who still hasn't paid everyone...

Randy is going to his hip to help put on a tourney.. (Regardless how much he has) He is putting money in poolplayers pockets, and giving pool fans something to get excited about..
I don't see alot of people doing this much...
Ken
Highendcues

 

[memikey]

Yes, I agree with you. That makes sense. The IPT has however "offered" to refund the money of all qualifier entrants. Whether that offer has any substance or not remains to be seen.

I mean to say that the amount of compensation might be affected by my ability to compensate. For example if I were in an accident and completely unable to fulfill the promise then perhaps the court would take that as mitigating circumstances.

That is of course a competely different contention from the one you first raised.

The harm (financial or otherwise, in this hypothetical case probably financial only) would almost certainly be assessed without taking any account of your circumstances or ability to pay. In this case the court might decide for example that it would have been a reasonable expectation for the cue to have been used for say 10 years, therefore 80% of its useful life ($4,000/-) has been lost by your failure to provide the guaranteed repair/replacement, or if it was reasonably repairable to the same standard by some other third party the court might asses the financial loss to be the cost of that repair, probably eventually plumping for the lesser of the two amounts plus any costs etc.

Would the court reduce the corresponding amount they ordered you or your company to pay because of the state of your personal or company finances? Probably not in this case. However they would certainly take those mitigating factors into account later when assessing any penalties to be handed down to you for failing to fulfil the order made by the court, if that's what transpired in due course

 

[John Barton]

Jay,
100% agree...
This is getting very old..
This is supposed to be a pool forum..
Repeated posts of name calling.. Enough already..
Also rediculous comparisons to Kevin Trudeau who still hasn't paid everyone...

Randy is going to his hip to help put on a tourney.. (Regardless how much he has) He is putting money in poolplayers pockets, and giving pool fans something to get excited about..
I don't see alot of people doing this much...
Ken
Highendcues

I will second that. As far as putting money in player's pockets Randy is a good patron among many others before him.

 

[yobagua]

The worst name i can think of in the english language is liberal. The hatred it conjures up in my physical constitution is limitless. Jb opitimizes the bleeding heart variety. On the other hand, i am a neo conservative fascist, and extremist of the righ





In the end, i sign off from this forum and i live a life only some people dare to dream of. My mind is clear, and ive lived my life until now with very, very few regrets. I have no time for bitter, jealous people who are mired in sub mediocrity.

Rg[/QUOTE]

I think I made the serious mistake of calling you an IDIOT once. No I was entirely wrong. You're worse. A CREEP. Take your fascist neo-conservative a$$ and go to hell. Everything I said about you before I take back. I dont have any respect for you.

 

[tom haney]

No class distinction here, hondo. I live my life sharing and caring for people from all walks of life. I have never forgotten my humble beginnings. Instead of toys, I played with clothespins as a small child. All of my comments were directed at john Barton. Even though I have him on ignore, unfortunately I can still read his nonsense when quoted by other forum members.

Rg

Good, decent response to me. Maybe I was a little hasty in
my judgement.