14.1 - What to do from here?

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14.1 -- What do you shoot from here?

I just had this come up in a game and it was a very enjoyable shot too shoot. Not too hard to figure out. But interesting enough that a beginner or intermediate 14.1 player may not see it.

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Firm stop shot into the 10? 5 goes in and the 15 back into the stack to split it up?

Chris <----beginner!
 
That looks good to me... Might get the 10 as a bonus ball too.

What did he win?
 
I am not seeing the layout. it is telling me to goto pool.biz to see it. and when i go there its not there.

whats up ?
-Steve
 
If I'm looking at the diagram right you can thin the 10 into the 5 and with high inside can get into the rack with the 15 as an insurance ball.
 
hdgis1 said:
Firm stop shot into the 10? 5 goes in and the 15 back into the stack to split it up?

Chris <----beginner!
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Thanks got it Neil !

i like this idea best. but dont hit it too hard because the 13 will come out as the next shot into the upper corner !!!

-Steve
 
Soft/medium draw cut into the 10 and setup for the steep 12 in the side and explode the rack open. The 10 is your safety valve, but you prob won't need it because it's so easy to get on the 12 with a nice angle from there.

Zap the 12 in and run the rack out.
 
Neil said:
All right, no one wants to say anything. Lets try again. There have to be decent 14.1 players reading this, what is wrong with the way I chose to shoot this layout? I'm no great 14.1 player, so I seriously would like to know.
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My response would be why take the chance on a 4 ball combination involving two caroms when there is a much simpler shot available?
 
Neil, the certainty of hitting the pack at an appealing attack angle added to the fact that the shot is unmissable added to the the easily predicted final position of the cue ball make the ten-five, as suggeted, combo best.

Your idea has some merit, but is not as fool-proof as the ten-five combo, played as suggested in post #2.
 
Neil said:
Call the 5 and hit the 9. 9 hits the 4. 4 caroms off the 11 into the 10. 10 caroms off the 15 into the 5. 5 goes in pocket, crowd applauds. Your next shot can easily be the 10.
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THIS^^^^^

I may need a spot playing you Neil :p
 
Neil said:
I don't know, Stu. Seems like both are "wired". Your choice seems a little more old school, in that you don't spread as many balls. My choice is definitely not old school, because it scatters the balls all over. My thinking is this- now this is assuming that both are wired, both control the cb quite easily, both accomplish a break out. So, it comes down to how many times you want to break the balls apart.??? I know the purist say not to put balls uptable, but many today do just that.

I realize that to call a 4 ball combo with 2 caroms thrown into the mix sounds like 14.1 suicide, and any thought of it just immediately be banished, but look at this setup. It's one of those one in a million perfect set ups, it's essentially a can't miss trick shot! I just feel that sometimes you just have to toss the rules of what to never even attempt, and really look at what the balls are giving you. This is one of those times IMO. Sure, we all have had dead balls not go because something else came along at the last minute and screwed us. This isn't one of those times. There's nothing in the way, you don't have to slam them with the way the caroms are set up, so you get a nice natural carom going. Set this up and TRY to miss it! Not to mention the physcological aspect it can have against your opponent.
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Problem is your thinking is based on the assumption both shots are on. Even if in real life it does look on it is FAR more risky considering there is another shot available that is far more sure and will spread the stack. You are taking on a lot more risk for only a gain of maybe a better spread, and all this while there is an easier shot available.
 
Neil said:
I don't know, Stu. Seems like both are "wired". Your choice seems a little more old school, in that you don't spread as many balls. My choice is definitely not old school, because it scatters the balls all over. My thinking is this- now this is assuming that both are wired, both control the cb quite easily, both accomplish a break out. So, it comes down to how many times you want to break the balls apart.??? I know the purist say not to put balls uptable, but many today do just that.

I realize that to call a 4 ball combo with 2 caroms thrown into the mix sounds like 14.1 suicide, and any thought of it just immediately be banished, but look at this setup. It's one of those one in a million perfect set ups, it's essentially a can't miss trick shot! I just feel that sometimes you just have to toss the rules of what to never even attempt, and really look at what the balls are giving you. This is one of those times IMO. Sure, we all have had dead balls not go because something else came along at the last minute and screwed us. This isn't one of those times. There's nothing in the way, you don't have to slam them with the way the caroms are set up, so you get a nice natural carom going. Set this up and TRY to miss it! Not to mention the physcological aspect it can have against your opponent.
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Neil, I don't agree that your shot spreads the balls any better than the shot I'm advocating, because you can hit the one I like just as hard as you care to and still control the cue ball. When I can play specific shape like this off a break shot that will open things up this well, that 's the way I'm going.

No doubt, it is a bit more old school to select the shot that has a more predictable outcome in terms of position play, but I think the position calls for an old school point of view. Your shot gets very high marks, but if the ten and five both go in the hole, your shot comes with some possible position issues unless you follow, and if you follow, you can get a bad roll. The ten-five combo loosens balls underneath whlil simulataneously playing shape for that outcome. Your shot sends the balls uptable and if you stick the cueball under the pack, you might get burned.

There's not a big difference here, but I think your shot encompasses just a bit more risk than the other one.
 
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