2008 US Open and Efren Reyes

inside_english

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I am going to get blasted for this but so what.

I was chatting with a friend last night and mentioned that Efren has no chance of winning the US Open ever again. He agreed.

I can almost "feel" some of you getting angry at that statement. But ask yourself...is Efren the greatest 9-ball player that ever lived...or the greatest all-around player that ever lived? There is a difference.

I would love nothing more than for him to prove me wrong. I am a huge fan and LOVE watching him play, and have been for years. I love when he wins, the way he conducts himself as a professional, always gracious, courteous, gentlemanly, and always a threat.

I think his career is winding down...or so it seems. This is a man who fought countless battles, both in tournaments and in the back rooms (where he is probably the most feared) and it has taken its toll, sorry to say. Declining health is also a factor.

Do I want him to lose? Of COURSE NOT! But let's face reality here.
I root for him every single time he plays, and I hate when he does not even make it to the finals of the greatest nine ball tournament there is, but c'est la vie.

Don't bother replying in anger to lecture me about his accomplishments, they're well documented, and I have seen him gamble close-up...so I know. Besides, your anger is missplaced. I am not criticizing the Beloved Magician, I am just accepting reality, and managing my expectations for this year's US Open.

And yes, I think Earl Strickland is a better 9-ball player, and probably is THE best 9-ball player that ever lived. Why do I say that? Let's start and end with 5 (FIVE) US Open titles...a feat that will probably never be duplicated. Efren won it once. Earl's run out patterns are objects of beauty, efficiency and tenacity, all rolled up in one.

Don't get me wrong, who doesn't like watching Efren play, well, anything?
But...their respective personalities aside...I think Earl has the overall advantage in 9-ball. He is a pure 9-ball machine.

Just my opinion of course.
 
Is The Magician even playing in the 2008 US Open? He's been pretty scarce lately, at least for international competitions. Any reason why Dennis is playing with Django in the World Cup and not Efren?
 
The same applies to all those that are playing- that any indiv. has no chance.

The greatness part, well that is solely Efren's territory.
 
I would guess that Efren will still compete in the US Open and DCC for a couple of more years. But, just a guess...

And after seing him beat the best Filipinos in 10-ball and rotation during the last 1,5 years in long gambling matches, I know he is still capable of winning the US Open, and I wouldn't be surprised if he did!
 
Help me out guys (maybe Terry?)....

Does any other modern or past pro have as many US Open & World 9-ball titles as Strickland??? I'm not sure if anyone is close, but I might be wrong.

So what defines the best 9-ball player ever? Is it the best gambler or tournament player? I think it has to be the best tournament player - just as it is with every other professional sport.

Based on that, how wouldn't Earl be considered the best 9-ball player ever? I just checked out Wikipedia.org. 5 US Opens and I counted a total of 5 World 9-Ball Championships (between WPA, PBT). 10 total. Anyone else close to that??

Dave


EAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRLLLLLLLLLLLL!
 
Based on that, how wouldn't Earl be considered the best 9-ball player ever? I just checked out Wikipedia.org. 5 US Opens and I counted a total of 5 World 9-Ball Championships (between WPA, PBT). 10 total. Anyone else close to that??

Dave


EAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRLLLLLLLLLLLL![/QUOTE]



I dont think there is any doubt that Earl is the best 9 baller ever. I really dont see an argument for any other player. But that is why these threads are fun to read.

tim
 
inside_english said:
I was chatting with a friend last night and mentioned that Efren has no chance of winning the US Open ever again. He agreed.

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Efren has a chance to win any tournament hes in. Hes not likely to do it, the field is pretty strong. but hes still got a chance.
 
Efren is playing the US Open this year.
Efren's 9-ball is not that strong anymore.
He just can't make up for his weak break anymore.
I think the back to back world 8-ball and one more after that at the Riviera by Efren was pretty impressive streak too.
At his peak here in the mid 90's Efren was spotting top 20 players like Jimmy Wetch the 7-ball.
 
I wouldn't put my money on him winning it. But to say he has no chance is a real stretch. I mean, how many players do have a chance then?
 
axejunkie said:
I wouldn't put my money on him winning it. But to say he has no chance is a real stretch. I mean, how many players do have a chance then?
Amen bro!

Jeremy
 
inside_english said:
I am going to get blasted for this but so what.

I was chatting with a friend last night and mentioned that Efren has no chance of winning the US Open ever again. He agreed.

I can almost "feel" some of you getting angry at that statement. But ask yourself...is Efren the greatest 9-ball player that ever lived...or the greatest all-around player that ever lived? There is a difference.

I would love nothing more than for him to prove me wrong. I am a huge fan and LOVE watching him play, and have been for years. I love when he wins, the way he conducts himself as a professional, always gracious, courteous, gentlemanly, and always a threat.

I think his career is winding down...or so it seems. This is a man who fought countless battles, both in tournaments and in the back rooms (where he is probably the most feared) and it has taken its toll, sorry to say. Declining health is also a factor.

Do I want him to lose? Of COURSE NOT! But let's face reality here.
I root for him every single time he plays, and I hate when he does not even make it to the finals of the greatest nine ball tournament there is, but c'est la vie.

Don't bother replying in anger to lecture me about his accomplishments, they're well documented, and I have seen him gamble close-up...so I know. Besides, your anger is missplaced. I am not criticizing the Beloved Magician, I am just accepting reality, and managing my expectations for this year's US Open.

And yes, I think Earl Strickland is a better 9-ball player, and probably is THE best 9-ball player that ever lived. Why do I say that? Let's start and end with 5 (FIVE) US Open titles...a feat that will probably never be duplicated. Efren won it once. Earl's run out patterns are objects of beauty, efficiency and tenacity, all rolled up in one.

Don't get me wrong, who doesn't like watching Efren play, well, anything?
But...their respective personalities aside...I think Earl has the overall advantage in 9-ball. He is a pure 9-ball machine.

Just my opinion of course.

What kind of odds are you giving?
 
inside_english said:
.I think Earl has the overall advantage in 9-ball. He is a pure 9-ball machine.

Just my opinion of course.


Yes- add that to his near perfect mental game and there you have it. A guy likely to do anything but play pool straight up.
 
he may be the greatest all around player, but 9-ball, I dunno. listen to the runout radio episode with buddy hall.

mike and jerry ask buddy (excluding himself) who he thought the best players he ever played were. Buddy named Sigel, Earl, and Efren. With emphasis on Sigel and Earl. (I know many people name Lassiter the best 9-ball player ever, including Buddy himself in some interviews, but I'm just sticking to the interview). It is a great interview. And its free to download! So throw it on your iPod and your morning commute to work won't be as miserable.

justin.
 
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axejunkie said:
I wouldn't put my money on him winning it. But to say he has no chance is a real stretch. I mean, how many players do have a chance then?
OK, how about "his chances of winning have been greatly diminished."
 
JusticeNJ said:
he may be the greatest all around player, but 9-ball, I dunno. listen to the runout radio episode with buddy hall.

mike and jerry ask buddy (excluding himself) who he thought the best players he ever played were. Buddy named Sigel, Earl, and Efren. With emphasis on Sigel and Earl. (I know many people name Lassiter the best 9-ball player ever, including Buddy himself in some interviews, but I'm just sticking to the interview). It is a great interview. And its free to download! So throw it on your iPod and your morning commute to work won't be as miserable.

justin.
LOL, my morning commute is hardly miserable (I have Sirius).
 
Nostroke said:
Yes- add that to his near perfect mental game and there you have it. A guy likely to do anything but play pool straight up.
I think Earl's behaviour is well-established and was not part of my original point. I say this because I would prefer this thread does not morph into an anti-Earl bash-fest. We have had enough of those, I think.
 
inside_english said:
Are you saying you wanna put some cash on where Efren places in this year's tourney? If so, PM me with the details.

I will bet with you cheap as to who finishes higher Earl or Effie- $100 max. Ill take 6/5 as Earl has the 'advantage' as you say.

let me know.
 
JusticeNJ said:
he may be the greatest all around player, but 9-ball, I dunno. listen to the runout radio episode with buddy hall.

mike and jerry ask buddy (excluding himself) who he thought the best players he ever played were. Buddy named Sigel, Earl, and Efren. With emphasis on Sigel and Earl. (I know many people name Lassiter the best 9-ball player ever, including Buddy himself in some interviews, but I'm just sticking to the interview). It is a great interview. And its free to download! So throw it on your iPod and your morning commute to work won't be as miserable.

justin.

Buddy Hall will always be biased for the American players.....
 
I've heard Efren say that 9 ball is his weakest game countless times, but I'll take his "weakest" game any day against anybody's strongest game.
 
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