2014 us open unpaid prize money

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wahcheck said:
Uh-oh; it's finally happened.........all you naysayers have killed the U.S. OPEN.....Barry is giving it up.....
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I don't think we killed it, I think Barry continuously NOT paying players killed it.

And this person, who has purchased the last few US open streams, Will not be purchasing it this year.

Good riddance.

e.d.
 
what's in a name?

Nostroke said:
I believe the US OPEN name is worth something. 39 years of past history and champions make it so imo. The fact that muddles it imo, is if he really wants to quit, he will 'abandon the name' effectively and someone may wait him out and get it for free.
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..seems to me, if someone wanted to start their own tournament, and Barry owns the name of "the U.S. Open", anybody could just change the name for the new Open tournament to any name they want.....i.e. the U.S. 9-ball Pocket Billiards Open, the American 9-Ball Open, the World Challenge 9-Ball Open, etc.

Am I wrong?
 
Someone can buy the US Open and all from Barry, for 2 million.
(but pay Barry as expeditiously and reliably as he pays the players)
 
wahcheck said:
..seems to me, if someone wanted to start their own tournament, and Barry owns the name of "the U.S. Open", anybody could just change the name for the new Open tournament to any name they want.....i.e. the U.S. 9-ball Pocket Billiards Open, the American 9-Ball Open, the World Challenge 9-Ball Open, etc.

Am I wrong?
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Yes they could but they couldn't claim it to be the US Open with 39 years of great Champions and History. The US Open still has status. If someone were to buy it now and put on the 40th next year, keep the WPA points, you might have an extravaganza with 192 players or more. The only taint of the US Open is the owner-That will no longer be the case.

The first year of the American 9 Ball Championships would be a dud -Count on it

Anyone who interprets the above to be that i am BB supporter probably wears shoe boxes for shoes.
 
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jay helfert said:
Newsflash - I have been in communication with Barry the last few days expressing my displeasure about the unpaid players, and he has been less than cordial with me, saying that I don't have his back. Well enough about that, it goes with the territory.

He sent me an e-mail this morning saying he plans to retire and sell both his poolroom and the U.S. Open. Whether that happens or not we will just have to wait and see. I suspect the fallout from this last Open has caused him to rethink the future.
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he never intended to hold it this year. all part of his smoke & mirrors. its demise will be blamed on his "health", and AZB.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
The US Open isn't worth a penny. Any "good will" created in regards to the brand is destroyed. It's clearly insolvent since he owes money every year. As of now, the value of the US Open is negative due to zero good will and negative cash flow with an existing deficit on the books.

Open a tournament tomorrow called American 9ball Championship. Done.
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nor is Q Masters.

what'd we value it at 6 months ago in that other thread - $200K-ish?
why would anyone spend anything on a GOB, when they can get it for free?
 
Sponsors

This can be solved easily by the Open sponsors and partners. Mainstream sponsors and business's distance themselves from shady promoters and substance abuse behavior. Why in the world don't they do it in pool? The players are obviously being held hostage by finances etc. so the only real threat is for the business's affiliated with the Open to end there involvement. Lord knows they have a good excuse to bail for the good of the sport. No Accustat coverage no AZ coverage, no Diamond, Simionis, misc venders etc. The brand would become virtually worthless and he would be forced to let it go. So do us all a favor US Open partners, stop supporting this broken event.
 
There are lots of players during the Open, why bother with doing business with Barry.

How about operating an event after the first elimination at the open. Pick up some big name players without a chance of buying back in.

Fans follow the players, might be worth it. I'd even pay to watch some upcoming players that just had bad rolls at the Open, especially if they are international.

An event that is more intimate and not so touristy.
Unofficially its be the US Open losers tournament.
 
Wow, so now Quan Do $1500 paid but Rodrigo Geronimo $1900 unpaid according to this
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=5070711&postcount=414

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=5073313&postcount=13

If the 2 Austrians are still unpaid, then total $6250 unpaid more than last week and we are probably scraping the surface- there may be much bigger can of worms than we tot . ROFL
Since Barry has lots of tables, these players can possess these tables as payment in kind

Player- PRIZEMONEY(USD)-- UNPAID (USD)
VAN BOENING Shane 30,000
ORCOLLO Dennis 15,000
EKONOMOPOULOS Nick 10,000
DECHAINE Mike 7,500
KIAMCO Warren 6,000
BUSTAMANTE Francisco 6,000
HALL Justin 4,500
KLATT Jason 4,500
DOMINGUEZ Ernesto 3,500
HOHMANN Thorsten 3,500
BOYES Karl 3,500
APPLETON Darren 3,500
REYES Efren 3,000
FUTRELL Chris 3,000
PEACH Daryl 3,000
QUAN Do Hoang 3,000 Unpaid 1500
UCHIGAKI Kenichi 2,500
MORRA John 2,500
KAZAKIS Alexandros 2,500
BERGMAN Justin 2,500
DEUEL Corey 2,500
MAJID Waleed 2,500
VAN DEN BERG Nick 2,500
FEIJEN Niels 2,500
LI He Wen 1,900
SOSSEI Jeremy 1,900
PINEGAR Jonathan 1,900
STRICKLAND Earl 1,900
GERONIMO Rodrigo 1,900 Unpaid 1900
LIU Haitao 1,900
BRUNER Chris 1,900
HUNDAL Raj 1,900
RODRIGUEZ Jorge 1,425
OUSCHAN Albin 1,425 Unpaid 1425
IMMONEN Mika 1,425
BARTRAM Chris 1,425
GRABE Denis 1,425
BABICA Radoslaw 1,425
PAGULAYAN Alex 1,425
SHAW Jayson 1,425
D'ALFONSO Tom 1,425
MAJID Imran 1,425
TRUNG Le Quang 1,425
SHEARER Brad 1,425
STEPANOV Konstantin 1,425
HE Mario 1,425 Unpaid 1425
MORRIS Rodney 1,425
ARCHER Johnny 1,425
 
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jay helfert said:
He sent me an e-mail this morning saying he plans to retire and sell both his poolroom and the U.S. Open.
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Probably the best news to come out of pool in some time.

Mind you, anything Barry says is usually to be taken with a grain of salt so I am not holding my breath.

There are many people who could take the US Open and do a vastly better job with it then Barry has managed. CSI comes to mind.

But the sick thing is Barry probably thinks now that he needs a huge sum of money for the event, despite the fact that his BS has killed much of the prestige of the event and his lack of ability to actually "make" money with the event, which he has very clearly detailed for the world to see, gives the rights to the "US Open" questionable value. I can just see him expecting a million dollars for the event, regardless that the man himself cannot seem to make a dime off of it.
 
Celtic said:
Probably the best news to come out of pool in some time.

Mind you, anything Barry says is usually to be taken with a grain of salt so I am not holding my breath.

There are many people who could take the US Open and do a vastly better job with it then Barry has managed. CSI comes to mind.

But the sick thing is Barry probably thinks now that he needs a huge sum of money for the event, despite the fact that his BS has killed much of the prestige of the event and his lack of ability to actually "make" money with the event, which he has very clearly detailed for the world to see, gives the rights to the "US Open" questionable value. I can just see him expecting a million dollars for the event, regardless that the man himself cannot seem to make a dime off of it.
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Saying something and actually doing it are two different things.
I would say this is being used as another excuse and stall tactic by Barry.
Just my 2 cents
It's also up to the sponsors of the US open to hold Barry accountable for this matter. By this I mean Not participating in any further US Opens.
 
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spartan said:
Wow, so now Quan Do $1500 paid but Rodrigo Geronimo $1900 unpaid according to this
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=5070711&postcount=414

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=5073313&postcount=13

If the 2 Austrians are still unpaid, then total $6250 unpaid more than last week and we are probably scraping the surface- there may be much bigger can of worms than we tot . ROFL
Since Barry has lots of tables, these players can possess these tables as payment in kind

Player- PRIZEMONEY(USD)-- UNPAID (USD)
VAN BOENING Shane 30,000
ORCOLLO Dennis 15,000
EKONOMOPOULOS Nick 10,000
DECHAINE Mike 7,500
KIAMCO Warren 6,000
BUSTAMANTE Francisco 6,000
HALL Justin 4,500
KLATT Jason 4,500
DOMINGUEZ Ernesto 3,500
HOHMANN Thorsten 3,500
BOYES Karl 3,500
APPLETON Darren 3,500
REYES Efren 3,000
FUTRELL Chris 3,000
PEACH Daryl 3,000
QUAN Do Hoang 3,000 Unpaid 1500
UCHIGAKI Kenichi 2,500
MORRA John 2,500
KAZAKIS Alexandros 2,500
BERGMAN Justin 2,500
DEUEL Corey 2,500
MAJID Waleed 2,500
VAN DEN BERG Nick 2,500
FEIJEN Niels 2,500
LI He Wen 1,900
SOSSEI Jeremy 1,900
PINEGAR Jonathan 1,900
STRICKLAND Earl 1,900
GERONIMO Rodrigo 1,900 Unpaid 1900
LIU Haitao 1,900
BRUNER Chris 1,900
HUNDAL Raj 1,900
RODRIGUEZ Jorge 1,425
OUSCHAN Albin 1,425 Unpaid 1425
IMMONEN Mika 1,425
BARTRAM Chris 1,425
GRABE Denis 1,425
BABICA Radoslaw 1,425
PAGULAYAN Alex 1,425
SHAW Jayson 1,425
D'ALFONSO Tom 1,425
MAJID Imran 1,425
TRUNG Le Quang 1,425
SHEARER Brad 1,425
STEPANOV Konstantin 1,425
HE Mario 1,425 Unpaid 1425
MORRIS Rodney 1,425
ARCHER Johnny 1,425
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according to Jay Helfert, Shane has not been paid in full.

best,
brian kc
 
actually my guess would be...

JLange said:
Saying something and actually doing it are two different things.
I would say this is being used as another excuse and stall tactic by Barry.
Just my 2 cents
It's also up to the sponsors of the US open to hold Barry accountable for this matter. By this I mean Not participating in any further US Opens.
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My guess would be these are the rantings of a narcissist expecting a response of "No Barry, don't leave us" and instead is getting "good riddance..."

Jaden
 
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Yes, Yes, Hell Yes, F**k Yes ...... and did I say YES !!!!!!! ?
 
Jaden said:
My guess would be these are the rantings of a narcissist expecting a response of "No Barry, don't leave us" and instead is getting "good riddance..."

Jaden
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Yes, your probably right. If the sponsors and we the fans stopped supporting Barry and the US Open I think that would be all it would take. The only revenue stream might be from the players and that won't fly.:cool:
 
Jaden said:
My guess would be these are the rantings of a narcissist expecting a response of "No Barry, don't leave us" and instead is getting "good riddance..."

Jaden
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be careful what you ask for, Barry - ....

didn't he say that he'd pay the balance $1500 by end of this week?
what day is today?
 
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