2022 DCC Discussion Thread

Sadly I missed the Derby this year. I been sick 3 weeks with the …… I just didn’t get well in time to go.

I missed 19 cause Mrs Fatboy was super sick with a staph infection.

Next year with a bit of luck, I’ll be there. Looking forward to SJM’s insights.

I spoke to Cardone and he said it was a good DCC. I usually don’t mention him, I’ll let him speak for himself. But this one time, I’m breaking my rule on this minor exchange of words I had with BC.(sorry Billy)

Thanks to everyone for all the updates here, Greg, Diamond, Sponsor's, staff that made it all happen again. And Pat Fleming!

Fatboy Approved
 
Fatboy said:
I think you can go down to the team E,F,G and we might have a slim chance. Not a knock on our guys, there’s just so much great pool coming out of Europe now.

The youth programs are bearing fruits. The kids just had training, discipline and structure to develop talent. Then cherry pick the best talent.

We don’t have that structure in America and it’s showing up in more places than just pool, sadly.

That’s all I got
Fatboy🥲☹️
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People were complaining that America loses to the European Champions because of their obsession with Gambling, while European, well-trained, drill-trained player concentrate on Tournaments. So now, the European Star Players, the Asians, and Filipino players came to America and competed in the Tournaments, and gambled heavily, and it obviously didn’t hurt their performances! Polish World Nine Ball Junior Champion, multiple Women’s European Tour winner, and successful participant in the European Pool Billiard Championship, practices and trains with the large contingent of great Polish players, and said that they are encouraged to gamble, to train them to deal with and learn how to play under pressure! Do you know how many great Polish players there are, and now Shaw, Filler, and Gorst, among others, are gambling for Big money! Why are Americans and Filipino players criticized so much for gambling, saying that it’s counter-productive to a player’s development into being a Great Pro! I guess this Derby City event should be proof that gambling doesn’t hurt your development, necessarily.
 
Fatboy said:
Sadly I missed the Derby this year. I been sick 3 weeks with the …… I just didn’t get well in time to go.

I missed 19 cause Mrs Fatboy was super sick with a staph infection.

Next year with a bit of luck, I’ll be there. Looking forward to SJM’s insights.

I spoke to Cardone and he said it was a good DCC. I usually don’t mention him, I’ll let him speak for himself. But this one time, I’m breaking my rule on this minor exchange of words I had with BC.(sorry Billy)

Thanks to everyone for all the updates here, Greg, Diamond, Sponsor's, staff that made it all happen again. And Pat Fleming!

Fatboy Approved
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The Young Female Polish Women’s Champion that I was referring to is Oliwia Zalewska, and she trains with Fortunski, Szewczyk, Zielinski, Babica, Juszczyszyn,Sniegocki, and other rising Stars. I agree that most American players dress like Casual Bums, but that’s not just Americans, in America. In other countries, the players don’t look like someone tat wandered in from the street, but obviously gambling isn’t hurting the European players, after they gamble in America. Pool has a seedy image, but they gamble in Golf, Tennis, Football, Baseball, and so many other sports.
 
Sadly I missed the Derby this year. I been sick 3 weeks with the …… I just didn’t get well in time to go.

I missed 19 cause Mrs Fatboy was super sick with a staph infection.

Next year with a bit of luck, I’ll be there. Looking forward to SJM’s insights.

I spoke to Cardone and he said it was a good DCC. I usually don’t mention him, I’ll let him speak for himself. But this one time, I’m breaking my rule on this minor exchange of words I had with BC.

Thanks to everyone for all the updates here, Greg, Diamond, Sponsor's, staff that made it all happen again. And Pat Fleming!

Fatboy Approved
 
LeftyIke said:
People were complaining that America loses to the European Champions because of their obsession with Gambling, while European, well-trained, drill-trained player concentrate on Tournaments. So now, the European Star Players, the Asians, and Filipino players came to America and competed in the Tournaments, and gambled heavily, and it obviously didn’t hurt their performances! Polish World Nine Ball Junior Champion, multiple Women’s European Tour winner, and successful participant in the European Pool Billiard Championship, practices and trains with the large contingent of great Polish players, and said that they are encouraged to gamble, to train them to deal with and learn how to play under pressure! Do you know how many great Polish players there are, and now Shaw, Filler, and Gorst, among others, are gambling for Big money! Why are Americans and Filipino players criticized so much for gambling, saying that it’s counter-productive to a player’s development into being a Great Pro! I guess this Derby City event should be proof that gambling doesn’t hurt your development, necessarily.
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Gambol, always the best teacher!
 
LeftyIke said:
People were complaining that America loses to the European Champions because of their obsession with Gambling, while European, well-trained, drill-trained player concentrate on Tournaments. So now, the European Star Players, the Asians, and Filipino players came to America and competed in the Tournaments, and gambled heavily, and it obviously didn’t hurt their performances! Polish World Nine Ball Junior Champion, multiple Women’s European Tour winner, and successful participant in the European Pool Billiard Championship, practices and trains with the large contingent of great Polish players, and said that they are encouraged to gamble, to train them to deal with and learn how to play under pressure! Do you know how many great Polish players there are, and now Shaw, Filler, and Gorst, among others, are gambling for Big money! Why are Americans and Filipino players criticized so much for gambling, saying that it’s counter-productive to a player’s development into being a Great Pro! I guess this Derby City event should be proof that gambling doesn’t hurt your development, necessarily.
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Maybe it's because Americans usually don't want to play people better than them without a huge spot.

If an American's FargoRate goes up, their first thought is probably "Damn, now so and so won't give me the 7 anymore.

Also, barboxes.
 
BeiberLvr said:
Maybe it's because Americans usually don't want to play people better than them without a huge spot.

If an American's FargoRate goes up, their first thought is probably "Damn, now so and so won't give me the 7 anymore.

Also, barboxes.
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Bar box pool, is great because it puts cues in peoples hands.

Bar box pool is not the place to cultivate talent from.

It all starts with kids and takes 2 decades to really see it happen 100%.

Juergen Wolf teaches kids in Germany, he is a amazing person. He works his ass off, the kids can tell. So the kids apply themselves as well. Work ethic, that’s a huge problem in America (another topic)

The kids with less talent he still works with, nobody is left out. The big talents he does other things. He has a brilliant after school curiclum (as we can see Fatboy was a victim of education spending cuts in the 70’s). They are not little robots either. Happy kids with structure.

That’s the future in anything. Pool is just 1 tiny part of the puzzle. Structure, education, investing in the future-selflessly.

Getting off his soapbox🧼🧼
Fatboy
 
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So who were the top finishing Americans? Since this counts towards mosconi points…
 
Fatboy said:
I think you can go down to the team E,F,G and we might have a slim chance. Not a knock on our guys, there’s just so much great pool coming out of Europe now.

The youth programs are bearing fruits. The kids just had training, discipline and structure to develop talent. Then cherry pick the best talent.

We don’t have that structure in America and it’s showing up in more places than just pool, sadly.

That’s all I got
Fatboy🥲☹️
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Europe and Taiwan groom pool champions the way we groom future Tom Bradys and Stephen Currys. The UK grooms them on 6' x 12' snooker tables.

We groom our best players on 7' romper room tables with no institutional support. At the rate we're going, by 2030 we'll be lucky to beat Europe's Z team.
 
LeftyIke said:
People were complaining that America loses to the European Champions because of their obsession with Gambling, while European, well-trained, drill-trained player concentrate on Tournaments. So now, the European Star Players, the Asians, and Filipino players came to America and competed in the Tournaments, and gambled heavily, and it obviously didn’t hurt their performances! Polish World Nine Ball Junior Champion, multiple Women’s European Tour winner, and successful participant in the European Pool Billiard Championship, practices and trains with the large contingent of great Polish players, and said that they are encouraged to gamble, to train them to deal with and learn how to play under pressure! Do you know how many great Polish players there are, and now Shaw, Filler, and Gorst, among others, are gambling for Big money! Why are Americans and Filipino players criticized so much for gambling, saying that it’s counter-productive to a player’s development into being a Great Pro! I guess this Derby City event should be proof that gambling doesn’t hurt your development, necessarily.
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It's not the gambling that hurts American players. It's the lack of institutional support and pool rooms with regulation tables. In the DC / Baltimore area the major weekly event that attracts the top players is staged on 7' bar box tables. What a joke.
 
Joe_Jaguar said:
BS. A break is either legal or is it not. You going to have a stupid radar gun on every table?
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Actually, the guy that created the break speed app is working on exactly this, or a version thereof anyway. Somewhere in the video below he says that he is working on the "Break Demon" device which if I recall correctly is essentially the break speed app apparently built into some physical device that no longer requires the use of a separate phone. His end goal for tournaments is apparently to have one of these devices at each table and for it to give the break speed for every break. He didn't provide any more details.
 
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Was at DDC and watched Ruiz absolutely crush SVB, Ouschan, and Filler on Friday. He moved the cue ball as easily and perfectly as I’ve ever seen. I thought if he can play like that Saturday no one will beat him. He was only 90% Saturday but that was enough for a convincing finish. We’ll deserved victory. The was the best players for both days.
 
I hate that 3 point rule. The rule should just be “no soft breaks”

You can tell when someone is breaking hard or soft. If you’ve got someone pushing the limit and kinda soft breaking you have a ref or whatever show up and make a decision. I don’t think that would even happen though.

It’s terrible some of the awesome breaks that get considered non compliant with the 3p rule.
 
BeiberLvr said:
Maybe it's because Americans usually don't want to play people better than them without a huge spot.

If an American's FargoRate goes up, their first thought is probably "Damn, now so and so won't give me the 7 anymore.

Also, barboxes.
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That's why I give Earl credit for showing up at Turning Stone. I didn't see a lot of American Mosconi Cup contenders going there to take on the Europeans.
 
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