2nd Annual Straight Pool Hall of Fame : nominees & suggesstions

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Please vote on who you would like to see inducted into this year's Straight Pool Hall of Fame! Living and passed on Champions will be inducted. Fans would like to see living legends and also unsung heroes. Top candidates this year so far : Dallas West, Danny Diliberto, Gene Nagy, Lou Butera, Oliver Ortmann. Feel free to vote on who you like or make suggestions.

Official votes will be counted through email and at https://www.facebook.com/Worldstraightpool

This year it is likely we will start inducting groups of early champions in chronological order from 1912 onward posthumously.

Last year's inductee Ray Martin and posthumously Jerome Keough, the inventor of 14.1

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DP.News said:
Please vote on who you would like to see inducted into this year's Straight Pool Hall of Fame! Living and passed on Champions will be inducted. Fans would like to see living legends and also unsung heroes. Top candidates this year so far : Dallas West, Danny Diliberto, Gene Nagy, Lou Butera, Oliver Ortmann. Feel free to vote on who you like or make suggestions.

Official votes will be counted through email and at https://www.facebook.com/Worldstraightpool

This year it is likely we will start inducting groups of early champions in chronological order from 1912 onward posthumously.

Last year's inductee Ray Martin and posthumously Jerome Keough, the inventor of 14.1

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I really can't figure out where you come up with these nominees.

By a country mile, the greatest living old master of straight pool is Mike Sigel, followed by Nick Varner and Allen Hopkins (omitted Ray Martin as he's already an inductee.) Of the deceased, the greatest are, perhaps, Willie Mosconi, Ralph Greenleaf, Irving Crane, Steve Mizerak, Jimmy Caras, Luther Lassiter, and Joe Balsis. Not one of these ten is a nominee.

Of the current crop, Hohmann and Ortmann are the most logical, but why induct someone from the current crop?

The most obvious choice here is Mike Sigel, with Nick Varner a very close second.
 
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These were tallied up from votes from last year and numerous input from players/fans.

and in our post we explained
"This year it is likely we will start inducting groups of early champions in chronological order from 1912 onward posthumously."

Thank you for your input. Please visit our page on Facebook to vote.

sjm said:
I really can't figure out where you come up with these nominees.

By a country mile, the greatest living old master of straight pool is Mike Sigel, followed by Nick Varner and Allen Hopkins (omitted Ray Martin as he's already an inductee.) Of the deceased, the greatest are, perhaps, Willie Mosconi, Ralph Greenleaf, Irving Crane, Steve Mizerak, Jimmy Caras, Luther Lassiter, and Joe Balsis. Not one of these ten is a nominee.

Of the current crop, Hohmann and Ortmann are the most logical, by why induct someone from the current crop?

The most obvious choice here is Mike Sigel, with Nick Varner a very close second.
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sjm said:
I really can't figure out where you come up with these nominees.

By a country mile, the greatest living old master of straight pool is Mike Sigel, followed by Nick Varner and Allen Hopkins (omitted Ray Martin as he's already an inductee.) Of the deceased, the greatest are, perhaps, Willie Mosconi, Ralph Greenleaf, Irving Crane, Steve Mizerak, Jimmy Caras, Luther Lassiter, and Joe Balsis. Not one of these ten is a nominee.

Of the current crop, Hohmann and Ortmann are the most logical, but why induct someone from the current crop?

The most obvious choice here is Mike Sigel, with Nick Varner a very close second.
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If Jack isn't on your list there isn't a need to vote.... you simply don't know who the greats of the game are .....
 
Frankly, this idea of inducting the current players before getting to all the great past ones is silly. Given the attention 14.1 gets these days maybe the idea is for the hall of fame to consist mainly of the winners of the DP tournament since that is about the only significant event anyone plays 14,1 all year. Sounds about right. :rolleyes:

But with all due respect to Thorsten and Oliver, it's just silly to even be voting for them given the names that are absent from this HoF.

Seriously, how many currently active players are there that should even be in this thing? What does it take to get in, post a video on the internet running 200+ balls? There just aren't enough big events on the calendar for anyone to compile a record in 14.1 strong enough to qualify on a level with the great names of the past.

Didn't you guys read any of the comments in last year's thread? Sorry, but this whole thing so far is a little silly.

PS - I do really enjoy the tournament. But this HoF, not so much.
 
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These were tallied up from votes from last year and numerous input from players/fans.

and in our post we explained
"This year it is likely we will start inducting groups of early champions in chronological order from 1912 onward posthumously."

Thank you for your input. Please visit our page on Facebook to vote.
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I'm not a Facebook user, but what's the point of voting when the criteria for nomination and induction are so arbitrary that nobody can imagine what they are?
 
Nominees from Brooklyn and Queens

Second, Gene Nagy.
Also: Michael Eufemia, Onofrio Lauri, Johnny Ervolino, Cisero Murphy, and Jean Balukas.
 
I'm a huge fan of Gene Nagy and Lou Butera -- but neither won world 14.1 titles, correct?

That said, Sigel, Varner and Hopkins did -- and they're not mentioned. Ortmann should be in, sure, in time.


I'm lost--- sounds like you guys are running a popularity contest instead of an accomplishments contest.

Maybe you should look at the scoreboard, see who won the most world titles of living players and go from there? The next dead inductee should 100% be Greenleaf followed by Mosconi. No other should be a consideration and any other choice is borderline inappropriate.

You can't go off of votes because most people are idiots. Go off of the players' RECORD--- HELLOOOO.
 
Not that it means much, but I'm in agreement with those that feel that the 14.1 HOF members should be judged by their accomplishments and NOT their popularity. Since the 14.1 HOF has just been created it should be brought current by going back to its beginning. And by that I mean judging all the individuals from Jerome Keough forward by their accomplishments and contributions within the 14.1 discipline.

Gerry S.
 
2nd Annual Straight Pool Hall of Fame

My previous suggestions embody the spirit of some others that we should celebrate the under celebrated. If we're going to stick to titles, we need to do

Ralph Greenleaf
Willie Mosconi
Irving Crane
Jimmy Caras for the Pre-War generation

and
Luther Lassiter
Mike Sigel
Steve Miserak for the Post-War crowd

as for the "kids"
Oliver Ortmann
Thorsten Hohmann
 
Who would be considered the living legends of 14.1?

I know Sigel, Varner, Hopkins, Martin, West, DiLiberto.

Who else? Rempe? Jennings? Fusco? More?
 
Here We Go Again

The induction of Ray as well his play in the tournament was a great success...not to mention inducting the founder of straight pool RIP. I wish Charlie all the success he deserves again this year and I am sure the two inductees will be well deserving. Easy to sit on the sidelines and criticize Dragon Promotions!!! Without Charlie there would be no 14.1 World Tournament and Bobby Hunter, a great player, would still be the reigning world champ from twenty years ago!

Wedge
 
Thank you Wedge! Will pass your comment along to CW. Are you in the NY/NJ area?
We hope you can attend the event this year. There will be many new amazing players (we are excited to announce)
 
2nd Annual Straight Pool Hall of Fame : nominees & suggestions

If we want to be orderly about this: I culled this from Charles Ursiti's work and personal memory-although I wasn't there when Albert M. (The Blonde Boy) Frey won the first continuous tournament in February 1888.
Alfredo De Oro 32 titles won between 1890 and 1913
Ralph Greenleaf 22 (1919-42)
Willie Mosconi 20 (1941-58)
Frank Taberski 16 (1915-28)
Thomas A. Hueston 13 (1905-9)
Jean Balukas 13 (1972-83)
Jerome R. Keogh 10 (1897-1910) Already inducted
Irving Crane 10 (1942-72)
Steve Mizerak 10 (1970-88)
Luther Lassiter 9 (1954-69)
Benny H. Allen 7 (1913-5)
James Caras 7 (1935-67)
Joe Balsis 6 (1965-1974)
William H. Clearwater 5 (1895-1902)
Charles H. Manning 5 (1889-1891)
Erwin Rudolph 5 (1927-41)
Mike Sigel 5 (1979-92)
Andrew Ponzi 4 (1934-48)
Loree Jon Jones Hasson nee Ogonowski 4 (1981-93)
Oliver Ortmann 4 (1989-2010)
Albert M. Frey 3 (1888-9)
Albert G. Powers 3 (1890-1)
Grant H. Eby 3 (1897-1902)
Lou Butera 3 (1969-93)
Ray Martin 3 (1971-8) already inducted
Thorsten Hohmann 3 (2006-11)
10 players with 2
23 players with 1
 
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These were tallied up from votes from last year and numerous input from players/fans.
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I'm not sure how Ray Martin could have been picked over Mike Siegel or Nick Varner. Sounds like a group of buddies made the decision at a bar somewhere. ;)

If DP is going to claim to own the "World Championship" it would be reasonable to expect these kinds of "Hall of Fame" decisions to be popular, not controversial.

DP should be commended for having 14.1 tournaments, but I think they are being a bit pompous in declaring themselves to be a governing body.
 
BayGene said:
If we want to be orderly about this: I culled this from Charles Ursiti's work and personal memory-although I wasn't there when Albert M. (The Blonde Boy) Frey won the first continuous tournament in February 1888.
Alfredo De Oro 32 titles won between 1890 and 1913
Ralph Greenleaf 22 (1919-42)
Willie Mosconi 20 (1941-58)
Frank Taberski 16 (1915-28)
Thomas A. Hueston 13 (1905-9)
Jean Balukas 13 (1972-83)
Jerome R. Keogh 10 (1897-1910) Already inducted
Irving Crane 10 (1942-72)
Steve Mizerak 10 (1970-88)
Luther Lassiter 9 (1954-69)
Benny H. Allen 7 (1913-5)
James Caras 7 (1935-67)
Joe Balsis 6 (1965-1974)
William H. Clearwater 5 (1895-1902)
Charles H. Manning 5 (1889-1891)
Erwin Rudolph 5 (1927-41)
Mike Sigel 5 (1979-92)
Andrew Ponzi 4 (1934-48)
Loree Jon Jones Hasson nee Ogonowski 4 (1981-93)
Oliver Ortmann 4 (1989-2010)
Albert M. Frey 3 (1888-9)
Albert G. Powers 3 (1890-1)
Grant H. Eby 3 (1897-1902)
Lou Butera 3 (1969-93)
Ray Martin 3 (1971-8) already inducted
Thorsten Hohmann 3 (2006-11)
10 players with 2
23 players with 1
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Nice work, Gene, putting it altogether for us to view.

Looks like De Oro did pretty good in the early days. I wonder what kind of competition and what kind of runs he put together.

Are you counting US Open Championships as World Championships? What exactly do the numbers represent?
 
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