9 Ball, Hill/Hill You're Shot.....

I would just play safe by making a soft thin contact to the right side of the 6-ball. If played ok, it will leave no shot on the 6 (8-ball will block it).

I expect the opponent's reply will leave me some kind of shot on the 6-ball. But with the 7 and 8 placed as they are, even BIH on the 6 would not be a big advantage. So if the safe is messed up a bit, there should be no big loss.

But if the double is attempted, the 7-ball may be kicked out open after a miss, giving a much better chance for the opponent to finish.

Colin
 
bank the 6 with firm low, left....should kick the 8, setting up a cross-side bank on the 7, shoot the 8 depending on the position, leave on the nine is a non-issue....

if I make the 6 and miss the kick on the 8, bank the 7 cross side, same with the 8, and then pocket the nine....

if I miss the six, the seven still isn't the easiest ball, and I might get back at the table......

I like offense :D
 
going for the nine

I am going hunting for the nine comeing off the left side of the six with left english and hopeing to make the nine in lower left corner. I would try and control the six to leave on top half of table for a long shot for my opponent if I miss.
 
GADawg said:
I'm playing safe by banking the six to the middle of the end rail and taking the CB to the other end of the table.
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Precisely!
Force your opponent to make the hard decisions. Plus, if my opponent gets out form here by playing a couple of miraculous shots that I'm uncomfortable with, then hats off to him. I can sleep tonight knowing I got beat, and didn't beat myself.

Mike
 
I see

a couple of options, but trying to leave the 6 ball on the top end rail is not one of them, because you have to hit the 6 ball harder to get the cue ball
2 rails behind the 9 (your speed is off if you think you can).

You can't think shot, you have to think percentages of your opponent getting out. Irregardless of where the 6 ball is, if you get the cue ball down behind the 9 on the foot end rail, his percentages of getting out get much lower.

You can hit the 6 softly, but hard enough to bring the cue 2 rails behind the 9, you might get lucky and hook him, but even if you don't, the 7 could block his path to the 6, and EVEN IF THE 6 COMES OFF THE RAIL WHERE THE 7 IS, and leaves him a back cut on the 6, and he has to go 2 rails and try to get perfect on the 7, his chances of doing so are very slim, plus the fact that the cue ball will be down close to the 9. Additionally, if he is not perfectly straight on the 7, that cue ball will not follow on the 7 ball shot and may even come back towards the 9 ball direction which leaves him a
very low percentage shot on the 8. SO WHAT ARE YOUR OPPONENTS PERCENTAGES FOR GETTING OUT NOW? about .005 I would say, and I will take those odds any day.

Are you guys kidding? Efren or Busta would run and hide on this layout everyday of the week, especially hill-to-hill.

The other option would be to 3 rail the 6, while bringing the cue ball 2 rails
to rest on the long rail down by the 9, and bring the 6 short to rest just down table from the 8 on the rail. Now he is left, if he can see it, a real difficult corner bank, and even so, to get his cue to be perfectly straight wih the 7 is a trick in itself.

I don't any guys that can make that many 'Hail Mary' shots in a row for the out. Play the game, not the shot. It is the difference between knowing Pool and knowing how to win.
 
I would bank the six cross-corner as a two way shot. If I miss I'll make sure it's to the left of the pocket hitting the long rail and leaving it on the end rail, while trying to get straight in on the 7, so if the six bobbles, my opponent won't be able to see the six. It's a win-win given if I make the six I maintain control of the table even though it's then still a tough out, I still have options. If I miss, my opponent is left with a tough shot and tough decisions, but still has command of the table. If I make the six, I would have to take what I am left with and come with a pretty tough 3 ball out. I would shoot the 7 straight in the corner where I made the six, stop the cue ball, softly bank the 8 cross-side, with a worse case scenario of having a long cut on the 9.
 
I'd bank the 6 as well... but not to make it... but rather to drive it with a medium stroke to the short rail (first) but the main focus of my stroke is to park whitey exactly where the 6 lies (on the rail)... and speedwise, I want to drive the 6 four rails (or very close to it)... so that the 8 lies between whitey and the six.

Even if you hit the 6 too hard, you likely won't sell it out. The idea here is to get BIH on the 6 so that you can get to the 7... and the 8 and out.
 
> I would also favor the safe behind the 9,making every effort to make sure the 6 comes in short if I miss it,so in case I don't get behind the 9,I'm still in the neighborhood,and leaving a tough shot. I'd look at the 7 and 8 carefully,and see if a kiss into the side pocket is available. If I get ball in hand on the 6,great. If I leave him a clear shot to maybe bank the 6 back towards the 9,and he misses,I'd be looking for a way to shoot the 6 into either the 7 or 8 and make that kiss,possibly having it come off the rail in a way I can manufacture a way to get an angle on the 8 where I can shoot it cross-corner,and stop my ball for the 9. Tommy D.
 
PoolBum said:
I don't think there's any way to bank that 6 cross side and hold the cueball for shape on the 7 down the rail to the corner pocket past the 9. If I'm forced to bank the 6 cross side then I'm trying to run into the 7 with the cueball.
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My shot there. That 7 ball makes the side pocket pretty big on the bank. And, if it does clip the seven you have a fairly easy runout.
 
It really doesn't matter WHAT you do with the 6-ball since this game is going to be determined by what happens with the 8. This layout is INNINGS away from completion. Can you run it out or play some great safety that will tilt things in your favor? Yes, it's possible but not likely.
 
Colin Colenso said:
I would just play safe by making a soft thin contact to the right side of the 6-ball. If played ok, it will leave no shot on the 6 (8-ball will block it).

I expect the opponent's reply will leave me some kind of shot on the 6-ball. But with the 7 and 8 placed as they are, even BIH on the 6 would not be a big advantage. So if the safe is messed up a bit, there should be no big loss.

But if the double is attempted, the 7-ball may be kicked out open after a miss, giving a much better chance for the opponent to finish.

Colin
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I like Colin's safety play the best. This is one of those deceptive layouts where the first player who tries to go for the win will lose, even with BIH. The odds a player making the 6, 7 and 8 in variations of this layout in one inning are close to 0.

Both players should exchange tactical safeties until the layout improves enough that he can go for the win.
 
?????????

Why would you like Colin"s saftey when you could shoot the 6 ball to the head rail an possibly hide whitey behind 9-ball? If this game is played out
you should atleast 2 to 4 more times.
Pinocchio
 
The position calls for defense, but there are two different approaches to getting out that are easier than making three bank shots. First, , one can bank the six and draw the cue ball softly to hit the rail and then the eight, bring the eight into play, and likely leaving a shot on bank the seven. Second, you can bank the six and play shape for bank the seven. Then, if you can carom the bank in off the eight, you'll run out. The problem with both of these offensive options is that if you may end up having a difficult safety to execute if you go wrong.

Hence, it's defense I'm choosing, cue ball two rails under the nine while leaving the six on or near the top rail.
 
That is a tough out. I'd try and softly bank the 6 to the short rail and bring QB back behind the 9. You might even make the 9 if you hit it bad:D. If you get the 6 over to the right enough he'll have at the most a tough long cut shot. Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
That is a tough out. I'd try and softly bank the 6 to the short rail and bring QB back behind the 9. You might even make the 9 if you hit it bad:D.
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The problem I have with this fantasy cyber-pool game :rolleyes: we're playing is that the strategies have little basis in reality.

The odds of banking the 6 to the short rail and simultaneously putting the CB behind the 9 is close to 0. :eek:

Why not just take a deliberate foul and put the 9 on the short rail? Then challenge your opponent to win the game with ball in hand. When your opponent eventually misses, you can mop up the remaining balls. :D
 
relative speeds

It's true that you probably can't both put the 6 on the end rail and put the cueball on the other end rail. Which is why several of us suggested putting the 6 near the 7 and the cueball on the end rail (behind the 9, if possible). I wonder what kind of cloth some of you folks are used to.

After reading this thread I have changed my mind about the best play here. Jude Rosenstock is right that there will be more moving before the game ends. There will be better chances to move the balls around later. Therefore, I think that Colin's safety (or something like it) is best, both because it is simple to execute, and because even if the other guy gets a shot at the 6 he won't be able to move the other balls while shooting it.
 
i'd probably thin the left side of the 6 and put it in the middle of the top rail and send the cue 2 rails behind the 9
 
Cornerman said:
This layout is just too horrible.

I wouldn't be playing safe. Because I don't think the word "safe" applies here. There is no safe that ups your chances. And there is no single offensive shot that ups your chances. This is a moving scenario, with each move having to be weighed out similar to one pocket.

OTOH, banking the 6 cross corner, 7 cross-side, 8 cross side would be pretty sporty.

Fred
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I have no idea how to play safe or run out in this rack..
 
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