A differant greatest thread

Yes, I saw Orr in his prime and he, in my view, was the third greatest I've gotten to see, behind Gretzky and Lemieux. You are the first I've ever heard that suggested Orr is the greatest ever. Gretzky, as well as being statistically and visually the greatest player ever, also led his team to five Stanely Cups in a six year period (83,84,85,87,88) and was the cornerstone of the greatest team in recent times. He won nine Hart (league MVP) trophies including eight in a row. Bobby Orr won just three. Is this debate really worth having? The admittedly superb and legendary Bobby Orr is not even in the conversation.

Many would consider Bobby Orr as the greatest DEFENCEMAN ever.
I agree with you about Wayne Gretzky.
And I think Jean Belliveau is the finest captain ever.
 
2.Man o' War - 20 wins from 21 starts. Man o' War was the first great race horse to really capture the public's imagination and raise horse racing in the public consciousness. His lone loss, ironically to a horse named Upset, came during his 2-year-old season in the 1919 but hardly mars an otherwise dominating career

Actually, it wasn't ironic that the horse who defeated Man o' War was named "Upset," as Man o' War's loss was in fact when the term "upset" entered the sports lexicon to mean a big underdog who wins, due to the fact that the horse who beat Man o' War was named Upset.
 
The Canadian made that shot with a TAC .50 calibre precision sniper rifle, big difference from the M2 heavy machine gun (usually used as a tank or armor mounted gun) that Hathcock used..... It took them 35 years to best him with superior equipment. There have only been a rare few ever on earth that could carry his jockstrap, and those few have enough reverence to tell you they couldn't wear it.

Another good marksman that mastered long distance shooting is David Tubb. Steve Reichert's one mile shooting is impressive, too. One mile shot
 
haven't read but my picks

We have had many threads on the greatest pool player and pretty much have been all over the board. So I got to thinking in all of history in any sport,game,music,art,military,medicine, etc. has there ever been the greatest of all time in one category that is beyond question? That nobody ever debates about.

Greatest mind ever but not the greatest artist or sculpter of even his time, Leonardo.

Greatest athlete, Secretariat.

Greatest brain trust and visionaries of all time might have been our founding fathers. Studying the vision of one of the many alone, they are amazing. That they all came together in one place . . .

Greatest benchrest shooter is truly undisputed. It takes 10 points to get in the hall of fame and that is very tough to do. Tony Boyer has 142 points, over triple the points of his closest competitor, and he isn't done yet!

Greatest great smelly puckered as . . . . some categories should be left alone!

Hu
 
Hmmmm

Greatest Military General: George Washington - Revolutionary War

He didn't do it because he wanted to, he did it because he had to. He used some very excellent tactics, including numerous surprise attacks, which led to numerous victories during the war.

He led the Continental Army for six grueling years. He arranged for much of the financing of the war. The "Delaware River" crossing was historic and American troops captured Trenton and Princeton, NJ which saved the revolutions cause and help secure the eventual victory.

Eventually, the larger and better equipped troops of the King finally surrendered. With the final results having secured this country's founding against the British Crown. Obvious there is a lot more to the story, but this is a nut shell version.

You can argue all day there were better tactical generals throughout the course of history, but the actual impact to us (USA) and the world cannot be matched. There was so much more on the line during his leadership.

We would not even be reading AZB because it would not exist.
And he played billiards...... how strong is that...

Give it up for George !!
 
From many different quarters and across at least a couple of eras it is said that Stu Ungar was undoubtedly the best gin rummy player that ever lived...

My father, who is a professional bridge player, said that gin rummy tournaments used to be reasonably common occurences and when Unger was at his best he was simply unbeatable...

So much so that he single-handedly killed tournament gin rummy...
 
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Clint Eastwood as the best Western actor...among other things.

..he's the actor John Wayne was 'trying' to be
 
Bruce Lee

As a martial arts actor? Maybe.

As a martial artist/fighter? lol hell no

If you read anything about Bruce Lee, you'd know he was a competitive martial artist well before he did the TV show and films. He mastered several extant forms of eastern martial arts before creating his own, taught for most of his life, and also pioneered new methods in nutrition and exercise. Definitely, Bruce Lee belongs on the list.
 
As much as I love the US...

Greatest Military General: George Washington - Revolutionary War

Give it up for George !!

Respectfully, I have to disagree. The list is people who exemplified their bailiwick better than anyone else, and if you're including Washington as a General, you're ignoring the brilliance of Hannibal, Genghis Khan, Tamerlane, Alexander the Great, Caesar, Patton, Sun Tzu, Miyamoto Musashi, Cortez, Pizarro, it goes on and on. Washington didn't create new methods of warfare, conquer foreign lands, or redefine what a military is capable of doing. He led a group of determined locals defending their land in alternately guerrila and standard warfare. Granted, the impact of that has expanded beyond what was originally foreseen, but you could say that for all the others, as well.
 
Imo a lot of people are talking about the most dominant and not the greatest.

Edwin Moses for example is without a shadow of a doubt the most dominant (or is it dominating?) 400m hurdles runner.

He is not the greatest though as his world record was broken by Keving Young.
The same goes for Al Oerter.

As such, I stick with Sergey Bubka and Usain Bolt.

gr. Dave
 
If you read anything about Bruce Lee, you'd know he was a competitive martial artist well before he did the TV show and films. He mastered several extant forms of eastern martial arts before creating his own, taught for most of his life, and also pioneered new methods in nutrition and exercise. Definitely, Bruce Lee belongs on the list.

Bruce Lee belongs on this list....only if Chuck Norris says so.:grin:
 
Respectfully, I have to disagree. The list is people who exemplified their bailiwick better than anyone else, and if you're including Washington as a General, you're ignoring the brilliance of Hannibal, Genghis Khan, Tamerlane, Alexander the Great, Caesar, Patton, Sun Tzu, Miyamoto Musashi, Cortez, Pizarro, it goes on and on. Washington didn't create new methods of warfare, conquer foreign lands, or redefine what a military is capable of doing. He led a group of determined locals defending their land in alternately guerrila and standard warfare. Granted, the impact of that has expanded beyond what was originally foreseen, but you could say that for all the others, as well.

Of these, I'd select Julius Caesar as the greatest military commander, most notably for his capture of Gaul.

On a separate note, I'd suggest that if Patton deserves mention, so does Rommel.
 
Of these, I'd select Julius Caesar as the greatest military commander, most notably for his capture of Gaul.

On a separate note, I'd suggest that if Patton deserves mention, so does Rommel.

I'm going with the Mongol Khans here.
They didn't have the infrastructure to be a great empire....
...but they knew how to conquer
 
Yes, I saw Orr in his prime and he, in my view, was the third greatest I've gotten to see, behind Gretzky and Lemieux. You are the first I've ever heard that suggested Orr is the greatest ever. Gretzky, as well as being statistically and visually the greatest player ever, also led his team to five Stanely Cups in a six year period (83,84,85,87,88) and was the cornerstone of the greatest team in recent times. He won nine Hart (league MVP) trophies including eight in a row. Bobby Orr won just three. Is this debate really worth having? [ The admittedly superb and legendary Bobby Orr is not even in the conversation.]

Not even in the conversation !!! what you smokin.. He changed the way defense was played, first defenseman to lug the puck up ice,could score ,skate rings around all[til he hurt his knees], and was as tough as nails. Get a clue.
 
Not even in the conversation !!! what you smokin.. He changed the way defense was played, first defenseman to lug the puck up ice,could score ,skate rings around all[til he hurt his knees], and was as tough as nails. Get a clue.

SJM has a pretty good clue if you ask me. Around here we play a little hockey and I'd say that you would get a pretty good concensus about Wayne being the best hockey player ever. You would also get general agreement that Orr was the best defenceman, but unlikely he would be considered the overall best ever.

Dave, in the middle of the Canadian prairies
 
William Robert Brasky • DAREDEVIL EXTRAORDINAIRE!

William Robert Brasky is without a doubt, the greatest daredevil of all time, having cheated death on numerous, documented occasions.

JoeyA
 
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