Yes, I saw Orr in his prime and he, in my view, was the third greatest I've gotten to see, behind Gretzky and Lemieux. You are the first I've ever heard that suggested Orr is the greatest ever. Gretzky, as well as being statistically and visually the greatest player ever, also led his team to five Stanely Cups in a six year period (83,84,85,87,88) and was the cornerstone of the greatest team in recent times. He won nine Hart (league MVP) trophies including eight in a row. Bobby Orr won just three. Is this debate really worth having? The admittedly superb and legendary Bobby Orr is not even in the conversation.
Many would consider Bobby Orr as the greatest DEFENCEMAN ever.
I agree with you about Wayne Gretzky.
And I think Jean Belliveau is the finest captain ever.