A few thoughts

Grady

Pro Player
I wouldn't play in the straight pool tournament if I received an invitation in '08. I will just work on my own tournaments at our new room, with no invitationals. Mostly One Pocket, Bank Pool, Seniors, some ring games and gambling matches. I had intended to do 14.1 but I just have a sour taste for it now.
As soon as I can get the place into black ink I am going to begin a new org. for One Pocket and Bank Pool. That's all I have to say and thanks to all of the nice folks who stood behind me in these most recent discussions.
 
Grady said:
I wouldn't play in the straight pool tournament if I received an invitation in '08. I will just work on my own tournaments at our new room, with no invitationals. Mostly One Pocket, Bank Pool, Seniors, some ring games and gambling matches. I had intended to do 14.1 but I just have a sour taste for it now.
As soon as I can get the place into black ink I am going to begin a new org. for One Pocket and Bank Pool. That's all I have to say and thanks to all of the nice folks who stood behind me in these most recent discussions.


Grady,
As I said on an earlier thread, I really hope the opening of this new room brings you a long period of peace and enjoyment.

This may be just the ticket you need to launch your version of a tour, and you certainly have numerous fans who wish you long and continued success.
 
Good luck

Good luck with the new pool room. I am grateful that i learned one pocket at a young age. I feel that the skills learned from playing it has helped me with all the other games.
 
I'm hoping you're successful, Grady!

Grady,

I personally couldn't agree more with your conclusions on the UPA and the recent World 14.1 Tournament. Pool is so poorly run today. I've become sick of 9 ball from all the ESPN events. I'd much rather turn on the TV and watch some One Pocket.

Good luck with your new tournaments.

Sincerely,

The Woim

P.S. - If I would add one requirement, Grady, it's that you require ALL your One Pocket players to wear a nice sports coat when they play because that's how Boston Shorty did it back in the day. Pool should always have an element of respect.
 
New pool room

Grady said:
I wouldn't play in the straight pool tournament if I received an invitation in '08. I will just work on my own tournaments at our new room, with no invitationals. Mostly One Pocket, Bank Pool, Seniors, some ring games and gambling matches. I had intended to do 14.1 but I just have a sour taste for it now.
As soon as I can get the place into black ink I am going to begin a new org. for One Pocket and Bank Pool. That's all I have to say and thanks to all of the nice folks who stood behind me in these most recent discussions.
Good luck with the new room Grady. I live in Charleston, SC and i'm planning on coming to see your room as soon as I can.

James
 
Best of luck with your new ventures Grady!!

I have enjoyed countless hours of your witty repertoire on my Accustats videos.

Too bad I live so far away, I would love to visit your new room and meet you in person.

Take care,

Russ....
 
Grady

Since I am posting - I want to add that Grady is probably recognized as the premier promoter of one-pocket and bank type of events. Although a "little abrasive" at times, I think he has probably earned the right more than most.

I will support any event that Grady does - although as I said in another post, too many events just help make them all fail. Do events for the right reasons.

I also have to mention that the BCAPL is holding the Qlympics event in Louisville in November - and it includes 4 eventws that are US OPEN Championships. They are 14.1 (150/200 points), One Pocket, Full rack Banks, and 10 ball.

Added money should be around $30,000+. Which by the way is coming out of my pocket - unfortunately no sponsorsn and no angels.

But - as I said before, I will still support any event the Grady does. And I wish his room the very best!!

Mark Griffin
www.playbca.com
 
Mark Griffin said:
Since I am posting - I want to add that Grady is probably recognized as the premier promoter of one-pocket and bank type of events. Although a "little abrasive" at times, I think he has probably earned the right more than most.

I will support any event that Grady does - although as I said in another post, too many events just help make them all fail. Do events for the right reasons.

I also have to mention that the BCAPL is holding the Qlympics event in Louisville in November - and it includes 4 eventws that are US OPEN Championships. They are 14.1 (150/200 points), One Pocket, Full rack Banks, and 10 ball.

Added money should be around $30,000+. Which by the way is coming out of my pocket - unfortunately no sponsorsn and no angels.

But - as I said before, I will still support any event the Grady does. And I wish his room the very best!!

Mark Griffin
www.playbca.com

Mark you bring up a good point. It sounds like this tournament you are organizing has a solid foundation and more people should be lending a hand instead of creating a new event to stroke their own ego.

Colin Powell had a good quote that stated, "Avoid having your ego so close to your position that when your position falls, your ego goes with it".

I think this motto is applicable here. There is a right and wrong way to go about bettering the current state of pool. Recently I've seen two instances of what I believe is the wrong way.
 
Mark Griffin said:
Since I am posting - I want to add that Grady is probably recognized as the premier promoter of one-pocket and bank type of events. Although a "little abrasive" at times, I think he has probably earned the right more than most.

I will support any event that Grady does - although as I said in another post, too many events just help make them all fail. Do events for the right reasons.

I, too, agree that TOO MANY events is not a good thing. A good example is what happened when Hilton Hotels tried to start a pool tour, several years ago. :o

Hilton Hotels came up with a tour plan, and there were big added monies, with tournaments scheduled all over the United States. As it turned out, only two Hilton Tour tournaments got off the ground, and the tour ended abruptly in Pittsburgh, with Hilton Hotels pulling out of the tour altogether. It ended almost as quickly as it had begun. :eek:

The second and last tournament of the Hilton Hotels in Pittsburgh was scheduled at the same time as many other pool tournaments. During this same weekend, at least on the East Coast, there was a Joss Northeast 9-Ball Tour event at Turning Stone Casino, a New York State regional tournament in NYC (can't remember its name), and a Florida Pro tournament happening in Florida. With four pool tourneys happening at the same time, it split the players up, which resulted in each event not getting as big a turnout as they had hoped. :(

I was elated when this tour started. The promoter's vision of this Hilton Tour was big. He came to the U.S. Open one year, announcing this Hilton tour, and he was steered to the UPA to help him. The UPA, experiencing problems of their own, didn't deliver the players that the Hilton Tour had hoped for in Florida and in Pennsylvania. The lack of player participation, which consisted of a couple dozen UPA touring pros, was deemed as very poor. Hilton recognized after only two tournaments that pool was not a money-maker, and they wanted no part of it anymore. What an opportunity this could have and should have been for pool.

Mark Griffin said:
I also have to mention that the BCAPL is holding the Qlympics event in Louisville in November, and it includes 4 events that are US OPEN Championships. They are 14.1 (150/200 points), One Pocket, Full rack Banks, and 10 ball.

Added money should be around $30,000+. Which by the way is coming out of my pocket - unfortunately no sponsors and no angels.

But as I said before, I will still support any event the Grady does. And I wish his room the very best!!

Mark Griffin
www.playbca.com

I have a feeling the Qlympics in Louisville will be a huge success, Mr. Griffin. :)

As will Grady's tournament at Grady's pool room. :)

Because of the lack of a legitimate sanctioning body in the U.S., it is difficult to schedule dates for pool tournaments. It is sad when somebody posts up a schedule for a tour or an event well ahead of time, only to have some entity schedule theirs at the exact same time. :mad:

With the absence of the BCA's involvement in the American professional pool scene, I'm not sure what the answer is for pro players in the United States, which is my interest. I have been called a racist, a bigot, a member of the KKK, and other niceties because of my desire to see American professional pool elevate. I will continue to stand by my feelings and take the beating on this forum by non-American posters as well as the pool organization groupies who remind me of ambulance chasers.

I would like to see an American nationality-restricted tournament, such as a United States championship. They do it in other countries, but NEVER here in the States. We welcome players from around the world to compete in American events. I also would like to see a men's governing body of professional pool effect a change for the better. The current state of affairs seems very uncertain.

I lost my enthusiasm to follow the American tournament trail as far as professional pool goes. I enjoy going to great tournaments like DCC, U.S. Open, all Joss Northeast 9-Ball Tour events, and look forward to Qlympics and Grady's upcoming tournaments. They're fun. I like seeing my friends, hanging out with Diana Hoppe on the offs, looking at her cool pictures and laughing. I enjoy meeting the legendary great players and chatting, like I did with Weenie Beenie at the U.S. Open, Buddy Hall at the Carolinas Open, and Billy Burge at the DCC. I really enjoy running into AzBilliards alumni, putting a face to the name. :p

Today, when I go to a pool tournament, I go to have a good time, whether my horse wins or loses. Winning is great, of course, but I liken tournaments today as a pool vacation. I also have health problems today, that I didn't have when I was younger, and whatever life I have left on this earth, I am going to live it to the fullest. I have not been to a pool tournament since July of 2006, and for good reason.

I wish you nothing but success, Mark. Keep on making things happen, for the betterment of pool. Your efforts are appreciated, as you are truly one of the good guys! :)

JAM
 
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Mark Griffin is definitely one of the good guys. I have talked to him on more than one occasion & he is a straight shooter when it comes to what he says. Obviously he has made a big commitment to pool in his life. For this, I am very appreciative. The BCA in Vegas each May is something I look forward to, win or lose (as JAM states). Just being at the event is the fun. The BCA sponsorship of SVB is a very good match, further showing Mark & his team's commitment to advancing pool in the USA.

I am honestly leary of the possible success of Qlympics & hope it is not going to fall into the category of 'too many events'. If someone can make it happen, Mark surely can.

Diamond tables, of which Mark is part owner, has made a huge impact in the world of pool. For years it was Brunswick. Diamond has moved the equipment into this century, pushing Brunswick & others to keep up. I hear that Greg is developing a one pocket table with only two pockets in it. Not sure how that will go over either. Might be something that is too unique to have main stream use & appeal.
 
When you say "American Nationality-restricted tournaments would a Alex Pagulayan who is a Canadian and Phillipine national or a Ernesto Domiguez who represents Mexico in international tournaments or Jose Parica who has lived in America longer than many of the pros have been alive be not allowed to play? Would Mika Immonen a resident of New York and Allison Fisher and Karen Corr also be excluded? And what about those who are from American protectorates like Rodney Morris from Guam and Tony Robles who has represented Puerto Rico? Would they be excluded as well? Im just asking for information. We are a nation of immigrants of a young country and the true Americans are the indigenous peoples. So like I was born in America and my father is from Asia could I play and would he be excluded?
 
DeadPoked said:
Mark you bring up a good point. It sounds like this tournament you are organizing has a solid foundation and more people should be lending a hand instead of creating a new event to stroke their own ego.

Colin Powell had a good quote that stated, "Avoid having your ego so close to your position that when your position falls, your ego goes with it".

I think this motto is applicable here. There is a right and wrong way to go about bettering the current state of pool. Recently I've seen two instances of what I believe is the wrong way.

Deadpoked,

Here is another quote of Powell's from that same list of "Rules"...

"Get mad, then get over it."

I am all for the tournaments that Grady (or anybody) provides for pool players. I just think all this back and forth posturing is a waste of energy that could be applied positively into other areas. At this point, it feels as if the arguing and bitterness is taking priority over progress. I hope I am wrong about that.

I would love to see Grady's succeed in all of his endeavors - and I still hope that someday there can be a unified coalition to advance the game of pool towards prosperity and prominence - and cooperation between everyone that has the ability, the skills, and the resources to get us there.
 
yobagua said:
When you say "American Nationality-restricted tournaments would a Alex Pagulayan who is a Canadian and Phillipine national or a Ernesto Domiguez who represents Mexico in international tournaments or Jose Parica who has lived in America longer than many of the pros have been alive be not allowed to play? Would Mika Immonen a resident of New York and Allison Fisher and Karen Corr also be excluded? And what about those who are from American protectorates like Rodney Morris from Guam and Tony Robles who has represented Puerto Rico? Would they be excluded as well? Im just asking for information. We are a nation of immigrants of a young country and the true Americans are the indigenous peoples. So like I was born in America and my father is from Asia could I play and would he be excluded?

To answer your question, no, Alex Pagulayan would not be eligible to compete in the hypothetical American nationality-restricted TOURNAMENT. Please notice the word "tournament" in my post is in the singular and not in the plural as in your post, Yobagua.

Jose, Mika, Allison, Karen Corr would also not be eligible to compete in the hypothetical American nationality-restricted TOURNAMENT.

Tony Robles and Rodney Morris, I had thought, are Americans. Though they may be Hispanic or have a Guam background, they are Americans, and as such, they would be eligible to compete in the hypothetical American nationality-restricted TOURNAMENT -- in the singular -- that I hypothetically suggested.

MANY countries around the world have NATIONALITY-restricted TOURNAMENTS -- in the plural.

I see nothing wrong with the United States having an AMERICAN nationality-restricted TOURNAMENT -- in the singular.

Hope this clarifies the HYPOTHETICAL tournament -- in the singular -- that I was mentioning when it comes to American nationality-restricted.

Oh, and, yes, Yogabua, if you are an American, born here in the U.S. of A., and do not have a citizenship in another country, then, yes, you, too, would be eligible to compete in the HYPOTHETICAL American nationality-restricted TOURNAMENT -- in the singular.

As much rage as you may feel as my suggestion of having a NATIONALITY-restricted tournament, it is the same rage I feel when I see other countries having NATIONALITY-restricted tournament(s), with the United States not having any.

JAM
 
yobagua said:
We are a nation of immigrants of a young country and the true Americans are the indigenous peoples.


Oh really?

Whaddya say to those who descend from the colonists before the United States of America became a political reality known as the nation state?

Those who are nomadic, do not respect the right of private property, live in tribes, and are uncivilized even today, are these the "true Americans" you refer to?

IMHO, the language of "indigenous peoples" rhetoric is nothing but a marxist tool to create class struggle on a civilizational level.

Flex
 
Flex said:
Oh really?

Whaddya say to those who descend from the colonists before the United States of America became a political reality known as the nation state?

Those who are nomadic, do not respect the right of private property, live in tribes, and are uncivilized even today, are these the "true Americans" you refer to?

IMHO, the language of "indigenous peoples" rhetoric is nothing but a marxist tool to create class struggle on a civilizational level.

Flex

My God, that's pretty deep! :D

Americans are a diverse population. That's what makes it the best nation in the world, in my book. I am a proud American, and I don't give a damn what color you are, where your parents came from, and how many countries your ancestors lived in.

God bless America, where we open our doors and welcome pool players from around the world. For those who don't like the idea of having one single tournament which is restricted to Americans, tell that to the other countries who do have nationality-restricted tournaments. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, I say.

JAM
 
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