ABP boycotts Berhman's event

[Carolina Blue]

Someone pretty close to this deal just told me that some of the players on the boycott list did not know in advance that this was going down. They did not know their names were on the list.

OK, mom, please send over a big buttercorn and a bucket of rum. This could get pretty good!

 

[dardusm]

with them or without them,you will pretty much get the same ticket sales. which is almost much nothing.

bill

Not sure about that. I had the opportunity to play/attend for the first time last year and was impressed by the spectator turnout. By Thursday the stands were completely full and guessing at least 500 and probably more. Not great compared to other sports, but the place was packed and it was cool to see that for a pool tournament.

 

[Pushout]

Someone pretty close to this deal just told me that some of the players on the boycott list did not know in advance that this was going down. They did not know their names were on the list.

OK, mom, please send over a big buttercorn and a bucket of rum. This could get pretty good!

It's much more likely to get extremely nasty!

 

[know it all]

sponsors

Get the teamsters union involed. Garbage,labors ,truck drivers,cement,etc.You'll get results there. Rich aka the skunk

 

[JAM]

Not sure about that. I had the opportunity to play/attend for the first time last year and was impressed by the spectator turnout. By Thursday the stands were completely full and guessing at least 500 and probably more. Not great compared to other sports, but the place was packed and it was cool to see that for a pool tournament.

That is nice to know. Thanks for sharing that. This is cool!

I hadn't been to the Open since 2005. I know the last two days usually do fill up pretty good. The week-long event, though, is a tough row to hoe for expenses. :frown:

 

[The Saw]

Johnny Archer USA
Mika Immonen FIN
Efren Reyes PHI
Francisco Bustamante PHI
Darren Appleton ENG
Shane Van Boening USA
Rodney Morris USA
Alex Pagulayan PHI
Dennis Orcullo PHI
Thorsten Hohmann GER
Lee Van Corteza PHI
John Schmidt USA
Corey Deuel USA
Huidji See NED
Mike Sigel USA
Nick Varner USA
Buddy Hall USA
CJ Wiley USA
Tony Drago MLT
Raj Hundal ENG
Karl Boyes ENG
Imran Majid ENG
Marcus Chamat SWE
Roberto Gomez PHI
Carlo Biado PHI
Warren Kiamco PHI
Antonio Lining PHI
Jundel Mazon PHI
Shawn Putnam USA
Mike Davis USA
Stevie Moore USA
Oscar Dominguez USA
Charlie Williams USA
Dennis Hatch USA
Jeremy Jones USA
Allen Hopkins USA
Scott Frost USA
Ernesto Dominguez MEX
Kim Davenport USA
Rob Saez USA
Tony Crosby ENG
Art Wiggins USA
Tommy Najar USA

This list will be updated as more pro members join and may choose to not participate.

Big Tony gonna snap this thing off.... Maybe even finish his movie.

 

[Mark Griffin]

ABP boycott

It must be said, though, that Mark Griffin should to be commended for the strong presence he's created in American pool with his support, financial and otherwise. Without him, I believe American professional pool would be a dead fish in the water.

Jam, thank you for the nice comments. I do the things for pool through love of the game.

But, I am NOT part of the ABP, and am aware of more questions than there are answers. My personal belief is that there was a better way to address the Behrman issue.

I agree with Tom in Cincy in an earlier post. This feels just like the UPA. My understanding is that Charlie Williams is basically running the ABP. His style has always been threats and intimidation.

I also agree with Jcin in that this will be a mess. There are a LOT of ramifications here. This could very well be the end of professional pool as we know it.

I think mr. Walsh (the attorney) better do his homework because this move (and the ABP demand) were not well thought out.

I will have other thoughts - but am out of town for a couple of days. There have been a couple of interesting points brought up. Hopefully they will get addressed.
Mark griffin

 

[DogsPlayingPool]

ABP Pro Players Not Attending the 2011 US Open 9-Ball Championship
From ABP General Attorney Dennis Walsh

Chicago, Illinois- It is with regret that the general professional body of the Association of Billiard Professionals will not be attending the 2011 US Open 9-Ball Championship promoted by Mr.Barry Behrman. Nor will these ABP pros attend the Masters 10-Ball or any event promoted by Mr.Behrman because of monies owed to players and lack of secure funds of prize money before each of his events.

Does Barry still owe money to some of the players and is any of it from last year?

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This is an interesting turn of events considering the ABP issued an official statement last year signing off on the delayed payments to the top finishers. But BB certainly has some ownership in this situation. He really shot himself in the foot with last year's "Open Letter" he issued prior to the 2010 Open. And now, one year later, he outright refuses to post?

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Well, at least all the 9 Ball critics have something to celebrate.

 

[Tom In Cincy]

Was I in a time warp?

Wasn't the CW led UPA formed right after the 2001, hardly any paid septators on FRI-SAT and SUN because of the 911 restricted travel?

I remember Earl donating $1500 to the NYFD after he got paid while at the event. I think he got 4th.

Please correct me if I am wrong but CW formed the UPA in 2001-2 timeframe the started the 'ESCROW' the Added $$$ or NO PLAY

The newly formed ABP, in their first major pre emptive strike,

sounds a lot like the original Charlie Williams led UPA...


Eric >hello 2003

 

[Georgia Boy]

It's truly a shame that the ABP has had to do this, but it's absolutely the right thing to do. Why would or should they play in this if they are not going to get what is owed to them or get paid very late what other options do they really have?

I knew when I saw the article from Barry on az earlier this week that something was up. The statement says they are "in the process of signing contracts to ensure our overheads and more are covered". Errrrrrrrrr it's July already, not much time left. Am I dreaming or did we hear the same thing last year?

We were in the process of booking all our travel plans for the Open, but luckily nothing had been finalised and we will not be attending. We are all going ahead with plans for attending another tournament now.

 

[JAM]

Jam, thank you for the nice comments. I do the things for pool through love of the game.

But, I am NOT part of the ABP, and am aware of more questions than there are answers. My personal belief is that there was a better way to address the Behrman issue.

I agree with Tom in Cincy in an earlier post. This feels just like the UPA. My understanding is that Charlie Williams is basically running the ABP. His style has always been threats and intimidation.

I also agree with Jcin in that this will be a mess. There are a LOT of ramifications here. This could very well be the end of professional pool as we know it.

I think mr. Walsh (the attorney) better do his homework because this move (and the ABP demand) were not well thought out.

I will have other thoughts - but am out of town for a couple of days. There have been a couple of interesting points brought up. Hopefully they will get addressed.
Mark griffin

You're right in that there are a lot of things going on behind the scenes that many might not be aware of.

I agree with you 100 percent about handling the U.S. Open 9-Ball Championship differently.

Does the Association of Billiard Professionals (ABP) have a website? I'd like to see the names of their administration and staff members.

 

[brandoncook26]

Not sure about that. I had the opportunity to play/attend for the first time last year and was impressed by the spectator turnout. By Thursday the stands were completely full and guessing at least 500 and probably more. Not great compared to other sports, but the place was packed and it was cool to see that for a pool tournament.

Yeah, but at $10 a pop, 500 people is nothing. I know it's a lot for a pool tournament, but $5000 a day doesn't cover anything really. Even if that was the turnout everyday, it doesn't cover the first place prize money.

The fact is there is no money in pool. It's not like Barry is making half a mil on the tourney and sticking it to the players. Wait until the players push him out. A few years from now,

"Remember that guy who lost money every year to put on the tourney, even though we got paid late? I would love to have that again. Hey Rodney?"

"What's up Johnny?"

"Can you pass me another bag of those Ramen noodles?"

 

[Eric.]

Not only are you a handsome and powerful man but pretty damn smart too.



<-----didnt mean that in as a gay a way as it sounded

Are you gay or just merry?


Eric

 

[JAM]

I found their website: http://www.abp-players.com/board.php


ABP Board of Directors:
Shane Van Boening USA
Mika Immonen FIN
Johnny Archer USA - President
Shawn Putnam USA - 2nd Vice President
Rodney Morris USA - Vice President
Mike Davis USA
Thorsten Hohmann GER
John Schmidt USA
Stevie Moore USA
Oscar Dominguez USA- Secretary & Treasurer
Charlie Williams USA

 

[catscradle]

This has a familiar sound to it... same sounds as the org that started in 2003.

What does the ABP have to guarantee the US Open 9 Ball event?



And the first act is to boycott an event that offers prize money. We have to lose money first, then we can grow?

I would like to see the ABP start its own tour.

Starting their own tour would ruin them. That's like saying the Textile Worker's Union should start their own shirt factory. If they become involved in running a tour then there purpose becomes to have the tour make money instead of protecting the players. They're doing the right thing be a union. Members of a union have to lose money temporarily in order to gain leverage, it is the only way it can work.

 

[Eric.]

Was I in a time warp?

Wasn't the CW led UPA formed right after the 2001, hardly any paid septators on FRI-SAT and SUN because of the 911 restricted travel?

I remember Earl donating $1500 to the NYFD after he got paid while at the event. I think he got 4th.

Please correct me if I am wrong but CW formed the UPA in 2001-2 timeframe the started the 'ESCROW' the Added $$$ or NO PLAY

Tom,

If I remember right, 2001 was the 9/11 thing disrupting the Open. 2002 we had the hurricane. I'm thinking that it was in 2003 that the UPA introduced "labor vs. management" to the US Open event. It could have been 2002, tho...


Eric >hopes to see Tom this year?

 

[JAM]

Tom,

If I remember right, 2001 was the 9/11 thing disrupting the Open. 2002 we had the hurricane. I'm thinking that it was in 2003 that the UPA introduced "labor vs. management" to the US Open event.


Eric >hopes to see Tom this year?

Eric, 2003 was Isabel. I remember Saturday night playing until 3 and 4 a.m. because of the blackout previous days. Then the semifinals had to begin at 12 noon on Sunday. All the beer stands were closed. Why do I remember that so well?! :embarrassed2:

 

[lfigueroa]

Yeah, they need to throw in some hens as well too.

lol. a hem: I just want to point out to all youze guys who have taken me to task over the years for things like viola, amokked, illuminated, bait on my breath, and now rooster, that these are all Smorgisms and used in tribute the dear departed master of twisted verbage.

Carry on.

Lou Figueroa

 

[know it all]

tournament

Okay now ,the event runs 7 days. Shorten the event to thu fri sat sun,4days Anyhing else let barry hold it at his pool room. Cut expenses,raise the door a little,damn how long has it been running 35 yrs??? Rich aka the skunk

 

[Tom In Cincy]

Because of the very low turnout from the spectators, Barry had to cut the added and paid only part of the guaranteed $$$.. this caused a players meeting in the area where the brackets and practice table was held. I was there. I am pretty sure it was 2001.. but I will defer to the majority.

Tom,

If I remember right, 2001 was the 9/11 thing disrupting the Open. 2002 we had the hurricane. I'm thinking that it was in 2003 that the UPA introduced "labor vs. management" to the US Open event. It could have been 2002, tho...


Eric >hopes to see Tom this year?