Alex being Alex

What about pills?

Speaking of DOPING...I wonder how many of the players at DCC would have passed a piss test?. I watched players pop pills at the table before in tourneys! ... IMO Alex was not at "work" becuase you have to PAY to enter a tournanment and you don't pay to go to work. Should he have been drunk? Of course not, but it is his choice. And a bad one if you ask me.
 
Threads going downhill...

2 options here for everyone arguing in the thread

Group hug... or

I am going to pistol whip the next guy who says shenanigans

Carry on.
 
1. I've came to the conclusion that some "people" here, their sole reason for being here, is to jump in every thread and state "This is what's wrong with pool"

2. Alex got snockered, and consequently so, acted the part

3. I'm sure he's very embarrassed about it, and sorry for his actions

4. Believe it or not, life will go on, pool will go on, sorry to say:smile:

5. Anyone complaining about some cuss words or someone's level of sobriety, from a free feed from TAR that happened at 3 am, should look into how to operate their volume button or how to close a tab or window on their browser.

6. I am in total agreement that Alex should be sentenced to death for this horrible mistake.

7. For those of you that live in your own sterile, mistake free, world..... pool may not be your thing.

8. You have spent waaaaaay too much time in this thread already, there are threads being created this very minute, go now Forum Warrior! Hunt down those threads and spew your rhetoric about the sins of pool and those that play it. Join hands with your fellow "perfect pool" brothers and let's stamp out this sin of a sport called Billiards.:eek:
 
Whats sad about our sport is all you nits making more out of something!!!! Alex made a mistake, professional or not, he is human. End of subject.

Get a life and stop it already!

-Phil
 
This will soon be water under the bridge !

I remember years ago Hank Williams Jr came down here to Baton Rouge & got absolutely hammered all day before show...Got on stage & couldn't hardly even stand up...kept saying he was 2 time entertainer or the year...He didn't need this shit & he walked off stage...of course he reimbused tickets & came back to play free for those who still wanted to see & hear him play.


Moral of the story...years later now..He's still beloved & noone hardly ever even brings up that night.
 
GG,
While you're out there on them oil rigs, you should take a minute to bone up on some reading comprehension. You're way off base.

I can take that for sure, it is just typed words on the internet that we read and interpret its connotation.......

I got nothing against Alex. It's with the ones who don't understand that he's hurting himself and keep making excuses for him. They're giving him reasons to keep on hurting himself. This wasn't a one time event here.

i couldn't agree more

Who said I wanted to string him up? You should know me better than that by know. You sniffing too much oil fumes?

of course you don't want to noose him lol.......it was just a point like you say some just pander to him and antagonize his drinking......others act like he killed a baby.....both of those sides are silly so i made a silly comment myself


This is what you also said..."you sound like the same mother f6kers that say that anyone that commits suicide will burn in hell for eternity"

Are you hearing voices or something? Where did you ever get that from my posts???? You hate religon or something?

i figured you was on the left side but your like me sitting in the middle.......like i said some act like he killed a baby or something.......its judgemental on someone and its wrong imop.......as for religion, no sir i do not hate it but I do have inherent problems with some of the things they teach us........i believe that if there is a good lord watching over us that he is in some ways just as they say and many ways nothing like they say.

My favorite Doc quote is "We play for blood!" I liked Val Kilmer's version of Doc Holliday in "Tombstone" better than the one in the "Wyatt Earp" movie.

WHO DOESN'T like Tombstone better than wyatt earp lol.......it came on and they didn't play tombstone right after and i was pissed lol............my favorite is also from tombstone when they ask Doc why he's doing this and he says "wyatt's my friend" and they say "hell i got lots of friends"......doc replies "I dont"

Let me scroll back up & see what else you talked about. I'll be right back....

Oh yea, this gem...."Just send him to a psyche ward so they can pack him with anti depressants so he can hang himself so you don't have to get your hands dirty."

What in the name of Dr. Sigmund Freud are you talking about??? Who said anything about a psych ward, anti-depressants or a rope? How are my hands gonna get dirty. I'm totally lost.
It was just an extra noose refence lol.....to me many antidepressents are nothing but a hangmans noose


Nancy Reagan can do WHAT to your Johnny Reb anatomy? Why you want HER???
it was just a point in regards to how you said we make our own choices......yea we do but then again some of us can be pushed into doing what the crowd wants and thats undeniable..........nancy is 89 and looks like Johnny benchs old catchers mit but hey if she takes out those teeth terry.....lmfao


(I'm trying to follow your post and answer each point you scrambled. Bear with me for a second till I go take another peek at what's next....)

Ok, I'll miss Alex too. I like the little fella. Hopefully, he'll get healthy and live a long life. But I'm sure there'll be some who will want him to keep chuggin' away!
true true


Since we've always gotten along just peachy here, I also want to do my part in keeping it real with you. So.....
same to you terry


Very sincerely right back at you,

Terry

PS-Remember in Tombstone, when Doc told Johnny Ringo "I don't think I could stand it if we weren't friends"? Do you think he meant it? :)

Terry he acutally says

"Why Ed Bailey are we cross? Ed, what an ugly thing to say. I abhor ugliness... does this mean we're not friends anymore? You know, Ed, if I thought you weren't my friend, I just don't think I could bear it. There. Now we can be friends again.

he didn't mean friends like he was a friend to wyatt imop......he ment that all men are equal untill they prove otherwise in his eyes by their actions.......and if those actions were unbecoming of man Doc just may have to kill that person as he was a gentleman first sporting man second killer third........


best wishes,
-Grey Ghost-
 
The real damage will be done by all the people who didn't actually see anything but have vociferous opinions of why it is yet again another indictment of the suckiness of pool repeated ad nauseum for years to come with all the marks on the list. Never ceases to amaze me that the people who claim to like pool are some of the first to cut it down at every opportunity.

There is nothing wrong with the game of pool. It is a fantastic pasttime.

It's the hustlers and punks that claim pool as their own that have ruined it.. And of course all the people who are wannabe punks and/or hustlers.

Free the game of pool from their tyranny. OK that's a little much. Egypt and all. Because it's such a great game is why a minority of people still stand up against the rabble. Did it again. damn.
 
Terry he acutally says

"Why Ed Bailey are we cross? Ed, what an ugly thing to say. I abhor ugliness... does this mean we're not friends anymore? You know, Ed, if I thought you weren't my friend, I just don't think I could bear it. There. Now we can be friends again.

he didn't mean friends like he was a friend to wyatt imop......he ment that all men are equal untill they prove otherwise in his eyes by their actions.......and if those actions were unbecoming of man Doc just may have to kill that person as he was a gentleman first sporting man second killer third........


best wishes,
-Grey Ghost-

Grey Ghost,

Now THAT was a great post! Even your original one made me laugh. (Not a lot, just a little here & there) And my apologies for messing up Doc's quote being said to Johnny Ringo. You're right, I was wrong, it was said to Ed.

I'm glad we been friends here long enough to be able to josh around with each other. (I know you ain't got no thing for Mrs. Reagan :grin:)
Heck, with you being a Johnny Reb & me being a Billy Yank, we can still end up on the same page....we hope the best for Alex.

Have a peaceful week and stay safe out there!

PS-I'll be repeatin' Doc's lines to "Ed" all day now. I'll be limping around the house mumbling stuff to people who ain't even here!:eek:
 
.........I commend you for being mentally tough and being able to stand up for yourself and say "No thanks" when you were offered all them drugs you mentioned.
But if you did take them, my beef wouldn't be with YOU, it would be with the ones who sold you the drugs and the ones who kept egging you on to hurt yourself......

I was pretty much with you right up until this post. Why would you have a beef with the people who sold him the drugs? I'm sure they have a good reason to be selling them. I really think the person you should have a beef with in these situations is the person that sold the drugs to the person that sold the drugs. Why stop there??? I really only have a beef with the local fertilizer distributer that sells these pesky chemicals to the farmers that grow the plants that are used to create these drugs.

Maybe it would be easier to just hold people personally accountable. Just thinking out loud here.
 
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Allen Einstien?

[QUOTE
I was pretty much with you right up until this post. Why would you have a beef with the people who sold him the drugs? I'm sure they have a good reason to be selling them. I really think the person you should have a beef with in these situations is the person that sold the drugs to the person that sold the drugs. Why stop there??? I really only have a beef with the local fertilizer distributer that sells these pesky chemicals to the farmers that grow the plants that are used to create these drugs.

Maybe it would be easier to just hold people personally accountable. Just thinking out loud here.

Good points.

I can't think that deep. I got bamboozled with arithmetic, you're doing this.......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vwcLvb9A0s
 
I was one of those helped finance the DCC 14.1 challenge, and I've resisted the temptation to speak my peace to this point, but now I'll have my say on the Alex Pagulayan incident.

Yes, I was there in the Accu-stats arena to witness it. Alhough I will not defend Alex, I will observe that Saturday at the Derby was very peculiar with respect to the 14.1 challenge. Alex had narrowly won his 14.1 semifinal over Mike Davis on Friday. Niels Feijen had been unable to play his 14.1 semifinal with Darren Appleton on Saturday morning because Niels remained alive with one loss in the nine ball event. As it turned out, Niels would win five matches on Saturday before being beaten by Shane to finish third, and because of this, Alex had to wait all day long and this was why the 14.1 final did not begin until it was nearly midnight. It was a bad day for Alex, who fell short of his goal of winning the $20,000 "Master of the Table" bonus that seemed all but won after his first place finish in bank pool and third place finish in one pocket. As we know, the day and bonus would belong to Shane. These are circumstances that conributed to, but hardly explain, what followed.

Alex's behavior was quite shocking. During their semifinal, he interrupted both Appleton and Feijen but they managed to deal with it. As he warmed up for the final in the Accu-stats arena, Alex was a boisterous drunk who could be heard from over 100 feet away. He was inexplicably proud of and taking frequent verbal note of his extreme inebriation, and his loud and lengthy burps did not belie that he had been drinking very heavily. The result of his antics and behavior, intended or not, was that people stuck around for the 14.1 final, which easily had twice the fanfare of the 2010 final despite the very late start.

I recall predicting that the final would be forfeited, and yet, I suspect others had the same thought I had. What a story it would be if Alex played impeccably in an inebriated state to win the final. I recalled watching Lassiter run 140 afer he'd had quite a few almost 40 years ago, so perhaps it was possible. Then again, I'd seen Alex warming up for the 14.1 final. His practice included more than a few high speed table length banks (perhaps he was reliving his preparations for the bank pool final earlier in the week), not a standard way of preparing for a 14.1 match. And so, like many, I stuck around for the final.

When Alex opened by playing the top ball in the side, it was clear that he wasn't taking the match seriously. After one of his misses, Alex went to the wrong player chair and sat there for several minutes before realizing his mistake. I stayed for about the first four innings of the match and then decided I was wasting my time and left.

As pathetic as Alex's behavior was, I was proud of his fellow professionals, so many of whom remained to be supportive of him at a moment in which he'd completely lost control. Darren Appleton, who would have had every right to be upset over the constant sharking, was the perfect gentleman, and I'm sure his fine demeanor won him some fans at Derby City. Anyone who was present would agree that Darren is not just a great player, but a fine role model for current and aspiring professionals.

In my life, I have seen just two players that, in my estimation, played with greater imagination than Alex Pagulayan. Their names are Irving Crane and Efren Reyes. Alex's skill level may be on, or nearly on, a par with that of these two great legends, but that is where the comparison ends, for Irving and Efren never conducted themselves this way during a competitive match.

On AZB, when a professional behaves unprofessionally, they are usually deemed colorful and are defended with a blind reverence that is difficult to fathom. I do hope this will be an exception.

Let's not kid ourselves. The fans present at the 14.1 final laughed at Alex, not with him, and the game's dignity suffered because of Alex's appalling conduct.

None of us are permitted to show up to our jobs drunk and if we did, we'd surely be sent home if our inebriation was detected, as it reflects poorly on our colleagues and our organization and may offend our clients. When a professional pool player competes, he/she is doing his/her job, and inebriation is, similarly, and for the same reasons, inappropriate.

Alex, who took pride in publicly boisterous drunken behavior, has a problem, and I wish him well in overcoming it, as he's a great talent who is fun to watch.

Disheartened as I am, I will not go as far as suggesting that Alex's behavior has, in any way, reduced my desire to be a benefactor for the DCC 14.1 challenge in the future. Make no mistake about it, the other seven players that qualified (Runningen, Schmidt, Davis, Appleton, Deuel, Orcullo, Feijen) are a great credit to the game of 14.1 and I would not allow Alex's behavior to affect my support of them.

Thanks for listening.

Yours truly, Stu
 
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I was one of those helped finance the DCC 14.1 challenge, and I've resisted the temptation to speak my peace to this point, but now I'll have my say on the Alex Pagulayan incident.

Yes, I was there in the Accu-stats arena to witness it. Alhough I will not defend Alex, I will observe that Saturday at the Derby was very peculiar with respect to the 14.1 challenge. Alex had narrowly won his 14.1 semifinal over Mike Davis on Friday. Niels Feijen had been unable to play his 14.1 semifinal with Darren Appleton on Saturday morning because Niels remained alive with one loss in the nine ball event. As it turned out, Niels would win five matches on Saturday before being beaten by Shane to finish third, and because of this, Alex had to wait all day long and this was why the 14.1 final did not begin until it was nearly midnight. It was a bad day for Alex, who fell short of his goal of winning the $20,000 "Master of the Table" bonus that seemed all but won after his first place finish in bank pool and third place finish in one pocket. As we know, the day and bonus would belong to Shane. These are circumstances that conributed to, but hardly explain, what followed.

Alex's behavior was quite shocking. During their semifinal, he interrupted both Appleton and Feijen but they managed to deal with it. As he warmed up for the final in the Accu-stats arena, Alex was a boisterous drunk who could be heard from over 100 feet away. He was inexplicably proud of and taking frequent verbal note of his extreme inebriation, and his loud and lengthy burps did not belie that he had been drinking very heavily. The result of his antics and behavior, intended or not, was that people stuck around for the 14.1 final, which easily had twice the fanfare of the 2010 final despite the very late start.

I recall predicting that the final would be forfeited, and yet, I suspect others had the same thought I had. What a story it would be if Alex played impeccably in an inebriated state to win the final. I recalled watching Lassiter run 140 afer he'd had quite a few almost 40 years ago, so perhaps it was possible. Then again, I'd seen Alex warming up for the 14.1 final. His practice included more than a few high speed table length banks (perhaps he was reliving his preparations for the bank pool final earlier in the week), not a standard way of preparing for a 14.1 match. And so, like many, I stuck around for the final.

When Alex opened by playing the top ball in the side, it was clear that he wasn't taking the match seriously. After one of his misses, Alex went to the wrong player chair and sat there for several minutes before realizing his mistake. I stayed for about the first four innings of the match and then decided I was wasting my time and left.

As pathetic as Alex's behavior was, I was proud of his fellow professionals, so many of whom remained to be supportive of him at a moment in which he'd completely lost control. Darren Appleton, who would have had every right to be upset over the constant sharking, was the perfect gentleman, and I'm sure his fine demeanor won him some fans at Derby City. Anyone who was present would agree that Darren is not just a great player, but a fine role model for current and aspiring professionals.

In my life, I have seen just two players that, in my estimation, played with greater imagination than Alex Pagulayan. Their names are Irving Crane and Efren Reyes. Alex's skill level may be on, or nearly on, a par with that of these two great legends, but that is where the comparison ends, for Irving and Efren never conducted themselves this way during a competitive match.

On AZB, when a professional behaves unprofessionally, they are usually deemed colorful and are defended with a blind reverence that is difficult to fathom. I do hope this will be an exception.

Let's not kid ourselves. The fans present at the 14.1 final laughed at Alex, not with him, and the game's dignity suffered because of Alex's appalling conduct.

None of us are permitted to show up to our jobs drunk and if we did, we'd surely be sent home if our inebriation was detected, as it reflects poorly on our colleagues and our organization and may offend our clients. When a professional pool player competes, he/she is doing his/her job, and inebriation is, similarly, and for the same reasons, inappropriate.

Alex, who took pride in publicly boisterous drunken behavior, has a problem, and I wish him well in overcoming it, as he's a great talent who is fun to watch.

Disheartened as I am, I will not go as far as suggesting that Alex's behavior has, in any way, reduced my desire to be a benefactor for the DCC 14.1 challenge in the future. Make no mistake about it, the other seven players that qualified (Runningen, Schmidt, Davis, Appleton, Deuel, Orcullo, Feijen) are a great credit to the game of 14.1 and I would not allow Alex's behavior to affect my support of them.

Thanks for listening.

Yours truly, Stu


SJM,
Of ALL the members of AZB, it's my opinion that you are the very best writer of us all. Besides wording with grace, you always find a way to make very rational points that are air tight argument wise. And you somehow always manage to do it with a great amount of dignity. You've very gifted in this way.

I was taking a few minutes to read some of the posts here, and was thinking to myself how this has really gotten almost out of control. I was imagining a class room of kids, I being one of them, who, in the teacher's absence, keep getting louder & louder and funny things start going on. And as soon as the teacher walks back in, everybody suddenly sits up straight and hushes!

You, an E.F. Hutton-like figure to so many of us, has brought some order to our chaos.

Great words. Thank you for your post.
 
It is what it is . I really am not biased either way. I think if
looks bad on anyone its Alex not the sport in general. It is up to
Pat whether or not to sell it. Like Jcin said it didnt have to be played on the tv table. JMHO
 
I was one of those helped finance the DCC 14.1 challenge, and I've resisted the temptation to speak my peace to this point, but now I'll have my say on the Alex Pagulayan incident.

Yes, I was there in the Accu-stats arena to witness it. Alhough I will not defend Alex, I will observe that Saturday at the Derby was very peculiar with respect to the 14.1 challenge. Alex had narrowly won his 14.1 semifinal over Mike Davis on Friday. Niels Feijen had been unable to play his 14.1 semifinal with Darren Appleton on Saturday morning because Niels remained alive with one loss in the nine ball event. As it turned out, Niels would win five matches on Saturday before being beaten by Shane to finish third, and because of this, Alex had to wait all day long and this was why the 14.1 final did not begin until it was nearly midnight. It was a bad day for Alex, who fell short of his goal of winning the $20,000 "Master of the Table" bonus that seemed all but won after his first place finish in bank pool and third place finish in one pocket. As we know, the day and bonus would belong to Shane. These are circumstances that conributed to, but hardly explain, what followed.

Alex's behavior was quite shocking. During their semifinal, he interrupted both Appleton and Feijen but they managed to deal with it. As he warmed up for the final in the Accu-stats arena, Alex was a boisterous drunk who could be heard from over 100 feet away. He was inexplicably proud of and taking frequent verbal note of his extreme inebriation, and his loud and lengthy burps did not belie that he had been drinking very heavily. The result of his antics and behavior, intended or not, was that people stuck around for the 14.1 final, which easily had twice the fanfare of the 2010 final despite the very late start.

I recall predicting that the final would be forfeited, and yet, I suspect others had the same thought I had. What a story it would be if Alex played impeccably in an inebriated state to win the final. I recalled watching Lassiter run 140 afer he'd had quite a few almost 40 years ago, so perhaps it was possible. Then again, I'd seen Alex warming up for the 14.1 final. His practice included more than a few high speed table length banks (perhaps he was reliving his preparations for the bank pool final earlier in the week), not a standard way of preparing for a 14.1 match. And so, like many, I stuck around for the final.

When Alex opened by playing the top ball in the side, it was clear that he wasn't taking the match seriously. After one of his misses, Alex went to the wrong player chair and sat there for several minutes before realizing his mistake. I stayed for about the first four innings of the match and then decided I was wasting my time and left.

As pathetic as Alex's behavior was, I was proud of his fellow professionals, so many of whom remained to be supportive of him at a moment in which he'd completely lost control. Darren Appleton, who would have had every right to be upset over the constant sharking, was the perfect gentleman, and I'm sure his fine demeanor won him some fans at Derby City. Anyone who was present would agree that Darren is not just a great player, but a fine role model for current and aspiring professionals.

In my life, I have seen just two players that, in my estimation, played with greater imagination than Alex Pagulayan. Their names are Irving Crane and Efren Reyes. Alex's skill level may be on, or nearly on, a par with that of these two great legends, but that is where the comparison ends, for Irving and Efren never conducted themselves this way during a competitive match.

On AZB, when a professional behaves unprofessionally, they are usually deemed colorful and are defended with a blind reverence that is difficult to fathom. I do hope this will be an exception.

Let's not kid ourselves. The fans present at the 14.1 final laughed at Alex, not with him, and the game's dignity suffered because of Alex's appalling conduct.

None of us are permitted to show up to our jobs drunk and if we did, we'd surely be sent home if our inebriation was detected, as it reflects poorly on our colleagues and our organization and may offend our clients. When a professional pool player competes, he/she is doing his/her job, and inebriation is, similarly, and for the same reasons, inappropriate.

Alex, who took pride in publicly boisterous drunken behavior, has a problem, and I wish him well in overcoming it, as he's a great talent who is fun to watch.

Disheartened as I am, I will not go as far as suggesting that Alex's behavior has, in any way, reduced my desire to be a benefactor for the DCC 14.1 challenge in the future. Make no mistake about it, the other seven players that qualified (Runningen, Schmidt, Davis, Appleton, Deuel, Orcullo, Feijen) are a great credit to the game of 14.1 and I would not allow Alex's behavior to affect my support of them.

Thanks for listening.

Yours truly, Stu

I hope this ends the discussion. This is how the subject should have been started and finished. Anything else is, well, crap.
 
SJM,
Of ALL the members of AZB, it's my opinion that you are the very best writer of us all. Besides wording with grace, you always find a way to make very rational points that are air tight argument wise. And you somehow always manage to do it with a great amount of dignity. You've very gifted in this way.

I was taking a few minutes to read some of the posts here, and was thinking to myself how this has really gotten almost out of control. I was imagining a class room of kids, I being one of them, who, in the teacher's absence, keep getting louder & louder and funny things start going on. And as soon as the teacher walks back in, everybody suddenly sits up straight and hushes!

You, an E.F. Hutton-like figure to so many of us, has brought some order to our chaos.

Great words. Thank you for your post.

I hear that terry.......tho I'm great at making a point and communicating my thoughts i wish this coonass had Stu's wrighting, grammer, english skills.
(you see i misspelled writing and grammar and i'm not faking it lol)

I remember when i started here, i was just as bad as fatboy or artie (LMFAO) with walls of text and run on sentences.:grin-square: I had much respect for what i read in others posts, how they were so clearly communicated and easy to read.

I try to make my point easy, communicate my thought well and i spell well i think for the most part.......but i need to practice more speaking english (grammar:wink: than i need to practice cue ball english lol


NOW CLEAR YOUR IN BOX TERRY!!!!!:(:frown: Puh puh puh....PLEAZZE :)

and yea Stu's post is the end of that, i agree.

Does anyone think Steve would be upset if i relieved him of his duties as my editor and hired Stu to replace him?:eek::wink::grin::rolleyes:

or maybe someone can take me under their wing let me move in with them (ill cook) and give me free english lessons:rolleyes: ROFLMAO:wink:

best wishes,
-Grey Ghost-
 
I remember when i started here, i was just as bad as fatboy or artie (LMFAO) with walls of text and run on sentences.:grin-square:


NOW CLEAR YOUR IN BOX TERRY!!!!!:(:frown: Puh puh puh....PLEAZZE :)

best wishes,
-Grey Ghost-


You was never as bad as Artie. You & fatboy....push.
Inbox is open.

You write just fine! We can understand what you mean. Most of the time.:grin:
 
You was never as bad as Artie. You & fatboy....push. (ROFLMAO you make me laugh my friend.....its funny cuz me and eric have been for some time next door rep neighbors too lol like brothers from another mother)

Inbox is open.

You write just fine! We can understand what you mean. Most of the time.:grin:

PM sent

-Grey Ghost
 
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