sjm said:
Allison would be a winner under any conditions. She is mentally strong! If she had been over here 20 years ago, she would have given Jean fits. And maybe a reason to keep playing.
Allison Fisher or Jean Balukas?
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Allison would be a winner under any conditions. She is mentally strong! If she had been over here 20 years ago, she would have given Jean fits. And maybe a reason to keep playing.
Ron Cook said:
In 14.1, Jean's high run, if memory serves, is 134, a run made in practice. It must be noted that the standard match length in the women's World 14.1 Championships back then was 75 points, lengthened to 100 only in the final, so the chance for high runs in women's pool was limited to practice runs.
I don't believe that such statistics are kept in nine ball. And, of course, in today's world of alternate breaks, the number of racks strung is no longer meaningful. Nonetheless, Jean had a very big break, harder than Tiffany Nelson and Helena Thorndeldt, and more effective than that of Ga Young Kim, who I feel has the best break in women's pro pool today.
jimmy-leggs said:
First, I want to sincerely apologize to anyone, including you, that I may have offended by my response. I tend to forget that not everyone gets as passionate as I do about the game, or anything else, for that matter. When I get as passionate about something as I have about Pool\Billiards, I automatically think everyone else does, too. I'm been pretty much like that all my life and includes Pool, Backgammon, collecting comic books, collecting Halloween, collecting Christmas, and collecting autographs. I read everything I can get my hands on and ask questions.
It just surprises me sometimes how many people don't know about the history of the game and its great players.
I don't think living in Canada has anything to do with it. And, it does surprise me that you've been playing almost 30 years, say you know a lot about the history of the game, know who Mosconi is, but don't recognize the name of the 14 time World Champion in my list. 14 times, one less than Mosconi and in many circles still debated as to which was actually the better player.
Again, I apologize to everyone in the thread for my lapse of judgement.
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Ron Cook said:
Severel previous posters have said the had seen her run 6 or more racks and I do not doubt it. As far as your implication that she might be over the hill, she is only 8 or 9 years older than Alison and youger than many of the top male players, including Efren.
IMO best break goes to
X Pan followed by Jean, Ga Young Kim, and Jasmin
Shot making there are a lot that are even
Allision, Jean, Kelly F, Corr, X Pan, Jasmin
Position Play
Allision
Mental Game
A. Fisher by a mile
Stoke
Jean probably (but Allision has a good one when she needs it) I still can't figure out why her break is so weak. Johnnyt
X Pan followed by Jean, Ga Young Kim, and Jasmin
Shot making there are a lot that are even
Allision, Jean, Kelly F, Corr, X Pan, Jasmin
Position Play
Allision
Mental Game
A. Fisher by a mile
Stoke
Jean probably (but Allision has a good one when she needs it) I still can't figure out why her break is so weak. Johnnyt
jay helfert said:
Jay, yes at age 50 - 65 the old timers can still compete and win and place in the top 5 in a tournament, but I am looking for the day someone in their 70 - 80's comes forth and breaks the mold and shuts down all the players. Efren as humble as he is just might be that player that breaks that barrier.
So the challenge goes out today and even you Jay have a chance to show that age does not control the God given talent you have, for I think when we loose our eye sight a little, our back starts hurting us, we start missing a few balls here & there we start making up excuses to lose and not compete.
I think its easy to give up and we allow someone else our opponet to take away our confidence, that needs to be reversed and we can do that when we see it as it is, and strive to become a better player each and every day.
So I say to you guys out there let no man or woman steal your confidence and allow excuses to steal your ability to play at your best.
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cuechick said:
A high run of 134 in straight pool is a great accomplishment for Jean. Looking through this tread a high run of 3 racks of 9 ball is all that is posted. If she did run 6 racks in previous threads then she would have a good chance at beating Allison or anyone else.
It is a shame she does not still compete for we are all missing out to get to watch her play, for its like having a great talent and we hide it and bury it the ground.
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Rep points!
Rep points to whomever can get some competition video(s) on YouTube! (or otherwise) of Jean vs. Anybody.
Jay, I know you have some...................
Rep points to whomever can get some competition video(s) on YouTube! (or otherwise) of Jean vs. Anybody.
Jay, I know you have some...................
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Ron Cook said:
From post #49:
Mike Sigel:
"It's probably a toss up with Fisher and Balukas. But Jeanie had power. She could really muscle the ball around the table like a man. She beat Buddy Hall 11-4, Steve Mizerak 11-2, and allot of other guys when they were playing their best and in their prime. They played perfect and she was beating them. I've seen her hit guys with packages playing 9-Ball...like 5 and 6 racks at a time. I haven't seen any of the girls today do that."
Johnnyt said:
Tiffany Nelson has a killer break.
Yes she does hit them hard...I just think the others make balls on the break more often. Maybe I should have put Tiffany in instead of Karen but I'm not talking about hardest break...I'm talking making balls on the break. Karen seems to get her fair share. Johnnytjay helfert said:
Johnnyt said:
I do not know of even one six pack in WPBA classic tour history (meaning 1993-present), and the only five pack I know of was that of Robin Dodson at the 1996 Brunswick Classic. Given that her break is her achilles heel, it seems most unlikely that Allison has ever run a six pack in competition. Of course, if a witness comes forward, that changes everything. Anyone?
sjm said:
I was not there for the finals but I remember hearing from Romana , I believe, that Allison ran 7 straight racks against Karen Corr (I think?) in the New Jersey State Championships probably around 2000? I remember a few people talking about it.
Karen ran a full four in one of the last matches on her way to winning the L.A. Classic that I put on at Hollywood Park in 2000. That's the most I remember. Of course I have only been to a fraction of the WPBT events. One of the statisticians on their tour may know more.
Allison ran maybe three racks against Loree Jon at the Bicycle Casino years ago. I have a feeling she has run quite a few threes, and maybe more. I bet she would remember any memorable runs. I'm going to ask her next time I see her.
Allison ran maybe three racks against Loree Jon at the Bicycle Casino years ago. I have a feeling she has run quite a few threes, and maybe more. I bet she would remember any memorable runs. I'm going to ask her next time I see her.