Allison is in the 9 ball at the DCC. Predictions?
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BPG24 said:
Genuinely, I don't know what the stats are. In men's pro pool, what % of the time does the breaker win?
Do you have that information?
What I do know is that the player pushing out is the favorite to lose so to be the favorite to win, you have to:
A. Break, make a ball or more and have a look at the low ball.
B. Break dry and not leave a look at the low ball.
Also, what is the break and run % for top male players?
Thanks in advance if you know the answers. Just curious.
Regards,
Jim
Thanks,
Jim
atthecat said:
Really? Wow. I'm just curious what you base that assumption on?
Are you aware that in the past few years, the following women have placed in the MONEY...not just the top 100 (they pay out to 60th place or so.)
Tiffany Nelson...40th
Alice Rim...61st
Sarah Rousey...20th
Jeannette Lee...31st
Sharon Weiss...48th
No disrespect to those fine players but even they would admit that Allison clearly plays at a much different level.
You certainly could be right. We'll just have to wait and see.
Regards,
Jim
av84fun said:
In 9-ball on the eurotour equipment I know that Niels Feijen had a Break&Run % of amazing 78 on a practise session together with Mosconoicup-coach for Team Europe, Johan R.
I guess Niels, Alex and Nick doesn't run out that often everytime they play, so I guess the Pros have maybe 45 - 50 %. (The best pros had about 40-45 % on IPT, if my memory are correct...)
I am doing stats on all of my own matches in practise and tournaments. Normal B&R in 9-ball is about 15-20 %. 2 weeks ago I played a tournament in Sweden, lost in the groupstages and gambled 8 sets in 9-ball, race to 7 instead. Had 14 B&R on 56 games, which is 25 %. So I guess I am half-pro then
I believe Allison has a fair chance of finishing top 10.
Jasmin Ouschan has finished 5th and 9th on the Eurotour, which is the hardest 9-ball tour in the world, with about 256 of the best poolplayers in Europe on each of the 7 tournaments.
av84fun said:
My own stats again:
If I am winning the lag I will win 61 % of my matches.
why wouldn't she be the favorite? when it comes to running 9 balls (usually less) for money.. she comes with the shots year after year after year.
Archer, Reyes, Strickland, do any of them have as many consecutive world titles?
do any come close?
I don't see the big gender gap in pool this isn't NFL football where women simply can't compete. this is about eyes and fine motor skills.
How any man is forced to give weight to Ms Fisher is beyond me. she is better at this game than 99% of us will ever be.
Allison Fisher isn't a great WOMENS player... She is a great player period..
I pick her to win the whole thing... name someone else who has won more 9 ball titles ... then name someone who has won more consecutive 9 ball titles..
name anyone..
That chick can flat out play.
Archer, Reyes, Strickland, do any of them have as many consecutive world titles?
do any come close?
I don't see the big gender gap in pool this isn't NFL football where women simply can't compete. this is about eyes and fine motor skills.
How any man is forced to give weight to Ms Fisher is beyond me. she is better at this game than 99% of us will ever be.
Allison Fisher isn't a great WOMENS player... She is a great player period..
I pick her to win the whole thing... name someone else who has won more 9 ball titles ... then name someone who has won more consecutive 9 ball titles..
name anyone..
That chick can flat out play.
These races are so short it is a wide open tournament which is what makes it so great. Didn't Anna Kostanian just beat Tony Chohan? I hear Anna plays great but I don't think I would pick her gambling with T-rex even. Allison has a chance to go deep but she is one of about 150 people who pretty much have the same chance she has. Short races means you jump quick out of the gates or you are done. It is cool that she is playing, I am surprised but it is good for us and for her. Please guys if she flares out early nobody come on here and say that she can't play with the men because lots of top male pros will go out of this event early too.
softshot said:
I understand your points and many of them I agree with....BUT, would she have as many titles if she had to play against the men all the time? She may have more titles then them, but I think Efren, Strickland, and Archer may try her some.
Good luck on you predicting her to win the whole tournament. Too bad you are not a betting man, cause if she comes through, you could get 1000-1 on your bet!
Does She Speak Softly?
Unfortunately, Jasmin will always be at a disadvantage until she gets a little bigger:
pj
chgo
worriedbeef said:
Unfortunately, Jasmin will always be at a disadvantage until she gets a little bigger:
pj
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Pool balls are gender neutral, yes -- but tournaments aren't. Any time someone plays in a new situation, there is bound to be a learning curve. Imagine a road player deciding to go "pro" and leaving the hustling behind. The game is the same, but the mentality is different.
av84fun said:
StevenPWaldon said:
I hear what you're saying but there is nothing new here for Allison. It's a big tournament with lots of people milling around....nothing new there.
She just doesn't care that there is a man sitting in the chair when she is shooting pool. What she cares about is taking pride in every single shot she shoots.
She plays A LOT under tremendous pressure...on TV in the semis or finals for her grocery money and with cameras practically stuck in her ear.
Plus, as many posts in this and about a thousand other similar threads suggest, she has nothing to lose. She isn't "supposed to win." And yet every guy she plays risks becoming a soprano if they lose to her.
Bobby Pickle told me he was HUGELY nervous when he played Jeannette for exactly that reason...and dogged several shots to prove it.
Regards,
Jim
PS: Allison & Kim are now 3-0.
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