An open conversation on what pool in North America needs and can support.

[Mark Griffin]

open discussiom

Just got a chance to read all 16 pages. Some interesting ideas. Some new and some old.

Mostly bumping this to get back on page 1 because I would love to see something that would 'work'.

It was asked why CSI (or other amateur league) didn't assess $.50 per week per player (or some amount). That has been proposed before and CSI tried it. I thought it made great sense, but our customers did not agree.

There was a very anti pro sentiment among the amateur ranks. My best guess is that APA would have a higher rejection factor because our players probably have the most awareness of who professional players are.

I would be curious to see what Glenn (king cobra) has to offer. People may disagree with his style, but Glenn can think out of the box.

Obviously, CSI would support any worthwhile concept. So somebody come up with a good answer....

Mark Griffin

 

[336Robin]

Skin in the Game

Just got a chance to read all 16 pages. Some interesting ideas. Some new and some old.

Mostly bumping this to get back on page 1 because I would love to see something that would 'work'.

It was asked why CSI (or other amateur league) didn't assess $.50 per week per player (or some amount). That has been proposed before and CSI tried it. I thought it made great sense, but our customers did not agree.

There was a very anti pro sentiment among the amateur ranks. My best guess is that APA would have a higher rejection factor because our players probably have the most awareness of who professional players are.

I would be curious to see what Glenn (king cobra) has to offer. People may disagree with his style, but Glenn can think out of the box.

Obviously, CSI would support any worthwhile concept. So somebody come up with a good answer....

Mark Griffin

I like seeing people with a vested interest involved in anything. I would hope that any effort made would include a membership organization of proud to sponsor pool people who might derive some sort of benefit from membership.

A membership fee that went toward funding ideas to make pool self supporting and a solid board of people who demonstrate a love for the game to run it.

Just like your shot at getting the league players involved, some will and some won't. There will always be that in anything especially Pool. I think its been so long since we had the chance to pool our resources for the cause of Pool that we deserve a shot at doing it. If we do good, then more might jump on the train. If we found a good way to turn a buck, that might be the way to perpetual funding, a pro tour and the setup of an organizational structure that carried players from leaguer's to pros that was good for the room owners.

 

[BeiberLvr]

I would be curious to see what Glenn (king cobra) has to offer. People may disagree with his style, but Glenn can think out of the box.

Obviously, CSI would support any worthwhile concept. So somebody come up with a good answer....

Mark Griffin

Here you go. Definitely staying way outside the box on this one. Nothing I agree with, but maybe someone will.

With this event being the longest running, most prestigious event on American soil.....THESE ARE THE RULES I'D LIKE TO SEE THEM PLAYING BY!

A) Race to 21.

B) 10 game lead on your opponent equals early win by KO..NO COME FROM BEHIND UNLESS THE PLAYER FELL 10 BEHIND BECAUSE THE OPPOSITE RAN A 10 PACK. In which case after the run out player finally misses, his/her opponent shall have one attempt to equal or exceed the 10+ pack run, failure to do so is loss of match.

C) All balls must be racked in the same pattern, 1 ball on the spot, no rack AID, triangle only. 30 second rack and accept, or opposing player shall be awarded ONE penalty win as a violation for extending the racking time, in which the person racking shall be granted a new 30 seconds in which to complete racking the balls. 3 consecutive fouls is lost of match.

D) 9 ball on the break counts anytime, but must be spotted back into the game. Breaker keeps the win, BUT if the breaker falls to also pocket the 9 ball to win the game and the OPPONENT pockets the 9 to end the inning, then that player shall be awarded ONE win during the game as well. If the breaker successfully pockets the 9 on the break and subsequently as well to end the game, that shall constitute TWO wins in ONE game.

E) After the initial start of each game, each player shall have ONE lifeline/push out opportunity at anytime during the in play game, and can call to use such lifeline at any time. The opposing player shall either accept the push out, or pass the shot opportunity back to the current player. If how ever the opposing player accepts the push out, that player may as well choose to elect to use their lifeline/push out as well. Once a player has exhausted their lifeline, there are no more to use.

F) All matches have a maximum duration of 3 hours. If neither player has won in a race to 21 pryor to the maximize match time limit, then the winner of the match shall be decided by who ever is a head at the end of the 3 hour match limit. If the players are involved in a game that can end up a tie at the finish and does so, then a ONE game tie breaker will decide the winner after the time limit has expired. With a 30 minute recess between match rounds, all matches will start on time....and END on time. There shall be NO double elimination matches, once a player has lost a match....they are free to leave as their involvement in the field of play is no longer required. Under my rules, the US Open would be concluded by the end of the 4th day running 4 rounds of play in the first 2 days with the use of 16 tables. Every 3 1/2 hours 16 players would be eliminated from play, 64 players in the first day of play alone...149 players entered this year.

G) Shot clocks should be available at each table set to 30 seconds. Either player can activate the shot clock, BUT....once activated neither player can ask for a time extension, penalty for running out the shot clock will be ONE win awarded to the opposing player and a new 30 seconds shall be set and started again....same shooter at the table. 3 consecutive time violations shall be lost of match.

 

[jburkm002]

Thinking now I would be more for supporting 5 dedicated players to hit the international tournaments. Right now it's SVB vs the world. Be nice to change that. Maybe with the right sponsorship to the right players, USA could have better representation. Unless you create a tour for Americans only. The vast majority would get killed by international players. So instead of tossing money to all players. Lets toss money to the best most dedicated players.

 

[Chicagoplayer]

The News and The Newpapers

FYI -

It really helps when promoters, spectators and fans send messages to
Newspapers, News channels and feeds.

We will not 'become' newsworthy, we have always been newsworthy!

 

[chefjeff]

Just got a chance to read all 16 pages. Some interesting ideas. Some new and some old.

Mostly bumping this to get back on page 1 because I would love to see something that would 'work'.

It was asked why CSI (or other amateur league) didn't assess $.50 per week per player (or some amount). That has been proposed before and CSI tried it. I thought it made great sense, but our customers did not agree.

There was a very anti pro sentiment among the amateur ranks. My best guess is that APA would have a higher rejection factor because our players probably have the most awareness of who professional players are.

I would be curious to see what Glenn (king cobra) has to offer. People may disagree with his style, but Glenn can think out of the box.

Obviously, CSI would support any worthwhile concept. So somebody come up with a good answer....

Mark Griffin

I think one way to get leagues to contribute to the pro thingy is to simply raise their "weekly fee" and use the (very real) excuse of generally rising prices to do it. Then take whatever amount from that raised weekly fee and invest it.

Then announce what was done and by then it's too late to change it and most won't care by then anyway.

Sorry, the voting season is spoiling my otherwise, pure mind.



Jeff Livingston

 

[Island Drive]

See inserts in CAPS and color

Originally Posted by realkingcobra View Post

With this event being the longest running, most prestigious event on American soil.....THESE ARE THE RULES I'D LIKE TO SEE THEM PLAYING BY!

A) Race to 21. Sets 3 outta 5 like tennis, it's success is already proven

B) 10 game lead on your opponent equals early win by KO..NO COME FROM BEHIND UNLESS THE PLAYER FELL 10 BEHIND BECAUSE THE OPPOSITE RAN A 10 PACK. In which case after the run out player finally misses, his/her opponent shall have one attempt to equal or exceed the 10+ pack run, failure to do so is loss of match.

C) All balls must be racked in the same pattern MAY WORK, 1 ball on the spot, no rack AID, triangle only WOODEN RACK ONLY, BECAUSE OF THE SOUNDS IT MAKES WHEN BALLS ARE GATHERED FOR EACH RACK, SOUND is a VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THE GAME. 30 second rack and accept, or opposing player shall be awarded ONE penalty win as a violation for extending the racking time, in which the person racking shall be granted a new 30 seconds in which to complete racking the balls. 3 consecutive fouls is lost of match. YEP

D) 9 ball on the break counts anytime, but must be spotted back into the game. Breaker keeps the win, BUT if the breaker falls to also pocket the 9 ball to win the game and the OPPONENT pockets the 9 to end the inning, then that player shall be awarded ONE win during the game as well. If the breaker successfully pockets the 9 on the break and subsequently as well to end the game, that shall constitute TWO wins in ONE game.

E) After the initial start of each game, each player shall have ONE lifeline/push out opportunity at anytime during the in play game, and can call to use such lifeline at any time. BINGO The opposing player shall either accept the push out, or pass the shot opportunity back to the current player. If how ever the opposing player accepts the push out, that player may as well choose to elect to use their lifeline/push out as well. Once a player has exhausted their lifeline, there are no more to use.

F) All matches have a maximum duration of 3 hours. If neither player has won in a race to 21 pryor to the maximize match time limit, then the winner of the match shall be decided by who ever is a head at the end of the 3 hour match limit. If the players are involved in a game that can end up a tie at the finish and does so, then a ONE game tie breaker will decide the winner after the time limit has expired. With a 30 minute recess between match rounds, all matches will start on time....and END on time. There shall be NO double elimination matches, once a player has lost a match....they are free to leave as their involvement in the field of play is no longer required. Under my rules, the US Open would be concluded by the end of the 4th day running 4 rounds of play in the first 2 days with the use of 16 tables. Every 3 1/2 hours 16 players would be eliminated from play, 64 players in the first day of play alone...149 players entered this year.

G) Shot clocks should be available at each table set to 30 seconds. Either player can activate the shot clock, BUT....once activated neither player can ask for a time extension, penalty for running out the shot clock will be ONE win awarded to the opposing player and a new 30 seconds shall be set and started again....same shooter at the table. 3 consecutive time violations shall be lost of match.


.....
The race to 21 single elimination is also very interesting. Tennis match play in majors is 3 outta five, they have breaks between sets, perfect for the players, the crowd, vendors and advertising some products and BATHROOM

 

[JoeyA]

THIS!

JoeyA

FYI -

It really helps when promoters, spectators and fans send messages to
Newspapers, News channels and feeds.

We will not 'become' newsworthy, we have always been newsworthy!

 

[JoeyA]

If you owned the pool league, I doubt that you would risk losing your customers with such a deceptive idea.

It is the PRO PLAYERS themselves that have failed to recognize the potential value of the league players. Well, Jeanette Lee and a couple of others realize their value.

The league players are the backbone of the pool industry and they should be admired instead of being ridiculed.

JoeyA

I think one way to get leagues to contribute to the pro thingy is to simply raise their "weekly fee" and use the (very real) excuse of generally rising prices to do it. Then take whatever amount from that raised weekly fee and invest it.

Then announce what was done and by then it's too late to change it and most won't care by then anyway.

Sorry, the voting season is spoiling my otherwise, pure mind.



Jeff Livingston

 

[chefjeff]

If you owned the pool league, I doubt that you would risk losing your customers with such a deceptive idea.

It is the PRO PLAYERS themselves that have failed to recognize the potential value of the league players. Well, Jeanette Lee and a couple of others realize their value.

The league players are the backbone of the pool industry and they should be admired instead of being ridiculed.

JoeyA

I get ya. I knew what I was doing when I posted that.

Our league just went from 8 bucks to 10 this season. No one complained that I heard. No one asked why or anything, either.

Just an observation that prompted the post.



Thanks, Joey. Youse one of the good guys.


Jeff Livingston

 

[336Robin]

Even league winners!

FYI -

It really helps when promoters, spectators and fans send messages to
Newspapers, News channels and feeds.

We will not 'become' newsworthy, we have always been newsworthy!

People don't seem to realize that Winners of Sessions, tournaments etc is news.

I hope they will also realize that unless something is good for a room owner that it just doesn't work out to be good for Pool.

If you are doing anything Pool related, you have to make sure you take care of the Room Owner somewhere in your plan. Were people and businesses to gather together and form a consortium of concerned parties that are interrelated to help one another there might be something accomplished but instead we are tugging and pulling at each other to try and survive.

A city has a Chamber of Commerce for a reason. What do we have?

 

[realkingcobra]

Seems no one thinks outside the box.....they just keep running around the inside....changing directions once in a while....thinking that changing directions means they're thinking outside the box.....mark my words, noting is going to change in this sport....in THIS country with Pro pool....when everyone keeps trying to figure out how to incorporate it into some kind of a pool league.

 

[CreeDo]

Honestly I'd think the simple answer is to copy what works.

So what's the most successful pool venture currently? Matchroom events.
Copy that formula, if you can. Fans need to be engaged in the players and personalities
since the sport itself is fairly dull to watch.

Matchroom's trick is to tap into national pride with the mosconi cup.
Americans audiences are definitely receptive to that us vs. them stuff.
So we either have USA vs. the rest of the world, or individual states vs. each other,
or maybe create football-like groupings... east coast vs. midwest vs. new england.

I wish this person luck, honestly it seems like a lot of the problem seems like
basic business skills and management. Maybe they should just go straight to matchroom
and ask them to come over and produce some USA events in exchange for
a hefty consulting fee.

 

[realkingcobra]

Honestly I'd think the simple answer is to copy what works.

So what's the most successful pool venture currently? Matchroom events.
Copy that formula, if you can. Fans need to be engaged in the players and personalities
since the sport itself is fairly dull to watch.

Matchroom's trick is to tap into national pride with the mosconi cup.
Americans audiences are definitely receptive to that us vs. them stuff.
So we either have USA vs. the rest of the world, or individual states vs. each other,
or maybe create football-like groupings... east coast vs. midwest vs. new england.

I wish this person luck, honestly it seems like a lot of the problem seems like
basic business skills and management. Maybe they should just go straight to matchroom
and ask them to come over and produce some USA events in exchange for
a hefty consulting fee.

Better to copy the PGA.....thousands of Pro Golfers.....but on 150 touring Pros represent the sport....and that who you see on TV.....NOT the so called, self appointed Pros.

 

[Kid Dynomite]

Just got a chance to read all 16 pages. Some interesting ideas. Some new and some old.

Mostly bumping this to get back on page 1 because I would love to see something that would 'work'.

It was asked why CSI (or other amateur league) didn't assess $.50 per week per player (or some amount). That has been proposed before and CSI tried it. I thought it made great sense, but our customers did not agree.

There was a very anti pro sentiment among the amateur ranks. My best guess is that APA would have a higher rejection factor because our players probably have the most awareness of who professional players are.

I would be curious to see what Glenn (king cobra) has to offer. People may disagree with his style, but Glenn can think out of the box.

Obviously, CSI would support any worthwhile concept. So somebody come up with a good answer....

Mark Griffin

Thank you for the effort!

I think that pool needs to embrace "Economic" principles. Like "Monopoly", "Cornering the Market", "Supply and demand" and etc.

Get the WPA to get the entire pool world under contract and working in unison with some profit sharing system.

Pool needs a WPA monopoly to leverage more money in the sport. Currently, asia wants more content and are forced to go through "Dragon Promotions" to get the stars they want to do some gimmick challenge match vs. a tournament or other high pressure format. A monoply on pool content is a very "Valuable" commodity.

Additionally, Xtreme sports on ESPN uses only the best tricks of the event. Pool should follow suit. The segments should be called the "Pressure Cooker" and the fans watch to see if their favorite player "Pops his top" or "stands tall" under the pressure! Viewers want the boring parts omitted and the broadcasters to do the all the work for the viewers!

I envision a subscription based model with exclusive access to streams and broadcasts. With all the players under contract then you create a 'Monopoly" and "Corner the Pool Market". If you want to watch pool then you "Pay" or be subject to a blackout like other sports.

With a subscription model you can auction or raffle off lessons with a top pro or have them as give aways to subscribers. Each pro player takes turns giving lessons and other promotional efforts.

KD

 

[Kid Dynomite]

Based on these "prices" for other major professional sports below! The consumer is getting off cheap in "Pro" Pool!!! Football and Soccer season tickets are in the Thousands and Pool fans do not spend that kind of money.

Based on my area of Washington DC

I should be spending

"Washington Redskins — Cheapest season ticket: $340; Most expensive: $1,390 or more"

$340 to $1390 on Pro Pool and because of a monopoly by the redskins they get top dollar!!!


Pool has 'NO" monopoly and I spend less then $200 on streams for the year and I bought several. When I could watch.

The fans are the problem, starve them out and make them pay up. Not many can say they paid $1000 a year on their favorite sport and spend several thousand on NFL/MLB/NBA & etc.

KD

http://worldsoccertalk.com/2014/12/...compare-to-the-premier-league-special-report/

"So let’s take a look at the 2014 prices for season tickets at NFL teams:

Arizona Cardinals — Cheapest season ticket: $250; Most expensive season ticket: $1,185 (source)

Atlanta Falcons — Cheapest season ticket: $385; Most expensive season ticket: $1,463 or more (source)

Baltimore Ravens — Cheapest season ticket: $620; Most expensive: $3,650 (source)

Buffalo Bills — Cheapest season ticket: $260; Most expensive season ticket: $2,470 (source)

Carolina Panthers — Cheapest season ticket: $420; Most expensive: $4,300 (source)

Chicago Bears — Cheapest season ticket: $810; Most expensive season ticket: $4,050 (source)

Cincinnati Bengals — Cheapest season ticket: $400; Most expensive season ticket: $2,700 (source)

Cleveland Browns — Cheapest season ticket: $190; Most expensive season ticket: $4,350 (source)

Dallas Cowboys — Price for an average premium seat per season is $3,400 (source); Prices for cheapest and most expensive season tickets are not publicly available

Denver Broncos — Cheapest season ticket: $480; Most expensive season ticket: $1,700 (source)

Detroit Lions — Cheapest season ticket: $380; Most expensive season ticket: $1,092 (source)

Green Bay Packers — Cheapest season ticket: $770 (approximately); Most expensive season ticket: $1,000; approximately (source)

Houston Texans — Cheapest season ticket: $660; Most expensive season ticket: in excess of $3,000 (source)

Indianpolis Colts — Cheapest season ticket: $400; Most expensive season ticket: $1,260 (source)

Jacksonville Jaguars — (Note, this is for a 9 game season this year); Cheapest season ticket: $171; Most expensive: $3,375 (source)

Kansas City Chiefs — Cheapest season ticket: $250; Most expensive season ticket: $1,350 (source)

Miami Dolphins — Cheapest season ticket: $420; Most expensive season ticket: $1,250 (source)

Minnesota Vikings — Cheapest season ticket: $350; Most expensive season ticket: $1,390 (source)

New England Patriots — Cheapest season ticket: $650; Most expensive season ticket: $1,950 (source)

New Orleans Saints — Cheapest season ticket: $350; Most expensive season ticket: $3,080 (source)

New York Giants — Cheapest season ticket: $850; Most expensive season ticket: $7,000 (source)

New York Jets — Cheapest season ticket: $500; Most expensive: $7,000 (source)

Oakland Raiders — (Note, this is for a 9 game season this year); Cheapest season ticket: $225; Most expensive: $1,350 (source)

Philadelphia Eagles — Cheapest season ticket: $700; Most expensive: $1,050 or more; although exact pricing is not available publicly

Pittsburgh Steelers — Cheapest season ticket: $770; Most expensive: $2,600; based on 2013 prices (source)

San Diego Chargers — Cheapest season ticket: $390; Most expensive: $2,650 (source)

San Francisco 49ers — Cheapest season ticket: $850; Most expensive: $2,000 (source)

Seattle Seahawks — Cheapest season ticket: $580; Most expensive season ticket: $4,050 (source)

St Louis Rams — Cheapest season ticket: $300; Most expensive season ticket: $1,750 (source)

Tampa Bay Buccaneers — Cheapest season ticket: $300; Most expensive season ticket: $3,950 (source)

Tennessee Titans — Cheapest season ticket: $360; Most expensive: $2,580 (source)

Washington Redskins — Cheapest season ticket: $340; Most expensive: $1,390 or more (source)

Based on the above information, the average price for the cheapest season tickets across NFL is $463 (not including the price for a PSL), while the average for most expensive season tickets (not including PSL) is $2,668.

The $2,668 number is in stark contrast to the Premier League’s highest average season ticket price of $1,361. And that’s based on 19 Premier League home games compared to 8 (or sometimes 7) home games in NFL.

If we take the 19 guaranteed home league matches for each Premier League club and compare that to the 10 not-guaranteed home games (including 2 preseason games) for each NFL club, the average price per game based on season ticket prices is as follows:

Cheapest season ticket prices (averaged on a per-league game basis):

Premier League: $27 per game
NFL: $46 per game

Most expensive season ticket prices (averaged on a per-league game basis):

Premier League: $73 per game
NFL: $266 per game"

 

[JoeyA]

Nothing is "FREE"!

Starve the fans out??? Unfortunately, there will always be someone out there who is willing to give it away "for free".

somewhere along the line, someone is going to pay and you get what you pay for......

JoeyA

http://worldsoccertalk.com/2014/12/...compare-to-the-premier-league-special-report/

"So let’s take a look at the 2014 prices for season tickets at NFL teams:

Arizona Cardinals — Cheapest season ticket: $250; Most expensive season ticket: $1,185 (source)

Atlanta Falcons — Cheapest season ticket: $385; Most expensive season ticket: $1,463 or more (source)

Baltimore Ravens — Cheapest season ticket: $620; Most expensive: $3,650 (source)

Buffalo Bills — Cheapest season ticket: $260; Most expensive season ticket: $2,470 (source)

Carolina Panthers — Cheapest season ticket: $420; Most expensive: $4,300 (source)

Chicago Bears — Cheapest season ticket: $810; Most expensive season ticket: $4,050 (source)

Cincinnati Bengals — Cheapest season ticket: $400; Most expensive season ticket: $2,700 (source)

Cleveland Browns — Cheapest season ticket: $190; Most expensive season ticket: $4,350 (source)

Dallas Cowboys — Price for an average premium seat per season is $3,400 (source); Prices for cheapest and most expensive season tickets are not publicly available

Denver Broncos — Cheapest season ticket: $480; Most expensive season ticket: $1,700 (source)

Detroit Lions — Cheapest season ticket: $380; Most expensive season ticket: $1,092 (source)

Green Bay Packers — Cheapest season ticket: $770 (approximately); Most expensive season ticket: $1,000; approximately (source)

Houston Texans — Cheapest season ticket: $660; Most expensive season ticket: in excess of $3,000 (source)

Indianpolis Colts — Cheapest season ticket: $400; Most expensive season ticket: $1,260 (source)

Jacksonville Jaguars — (Note, this is for a 9 game season this year); Cheapest season ticket: $171; Most expensive: $3,375 (source)

Kansas City Chiefs — Cheapest season ticket: $250; Most expensive season ticket: $1,350 (source)

Miami Dolphins — Cheapest season ticket: $420; Most expensive season ticket: $1,250 (source)

Minnesota Vikings — Cheapest season ticket: $350; Most expensive season ticket: $1,390 (source)

New England Patriots — Cheapest season ticket: $650; Most expensive season ticket: $1,950 (source)

New Orleans Saints — Cheapest season ticket: $350; Most expensive season ticket: $3,080 (source)

New York Giants — Cheapest season ticket: $850; Most expensive season ticket: $7,000 (source)

New York Jets — Cheapest season ticket: $500; Most expensive: $7,000 (source)

Oakland Raiders — (Note, this is for a 9 game season this year); Cheapest season ticket: $225; Most expensive: $1,350 (source)

Philadelphia Eagles — Cheapest season ticket: $700; Most expensive: $1,050 or more; although exact pricing is not available publicly

Pittsburgh Steelers — Cheapest season ticket: $770; Most expensive: $2,600; based on 2013 prices (source)

San Diego Chargers — Cheapest season ticket: $390; Most expensive: $2,650 (source)

San Francisco 49ers — Cheapest season ticket: $850; Most expensive: $2,000 (source)

Seattle Seahawks — Cheapest season ticket: $580; Most expensive season ticket: $4,050 (source)

St Louis Rams — Cheapest season ticket: $300; Most expensive season ticket: $1,750 (source)

Tampa Bay Buccaneers — Cheapest season ticket: $300; Most expensive season ticket: $3,950 (source)

Tennessee Titans — Cheapest season ticket: $360; Most expensive: $2,580 (source)

Washington Redskins — Cheapest season ticket: $340; Most expensive: $1,390 or more (source)

Based on the above information, the average price for the cheapest season tickets across NFL is $463 (not including the price for a PSL), while the average for most expensive season tickets (not including PSL) is $2,668.

The $2,668 number is in stark contrast to the Premier League’s highest average season ticket price of $1,361. And that’s based on 19 Premier League home games compared to 8 (or sometimes 7) home games in NFL.

If we take the 19 guaranteed home league matches for each Premier League club and compare that to the 10 not-guaranteed home games (including 2 preseason games) for each NFL club, the average price per game based on season ticket prices is as follows:

Cheapest season ticket prices (averaged on a per-league game basis):

Premier League: $27 per game
NFL: $46 per game

Most expensive season ticket prices (averaged on a per-league game basis):

Premier League: $73 per game
NFL: $266 per game"

Based on these "prices" for other major professional sports above! The consumer is getting off cheap in "Pro" Pool!!! Football and Soccer season tickets are in the Thousands and Pool fans do not spend that kind of money.

Based on my area of Washington DC

I should be spending

"Washington Redskins — Cheapest season ticket: $340; Most expensive: $1,390 or more"

$340 to $1390 on Pro Pool and because of a monopoly by the redskins they get top dollar!!!


Pool has 'NO" monopoly and I spend less then $200 on streams for the year and I bought several. When I could watch.

The fans are the problem, starve them out and make them pay up. Not many can say they paid $1000 a year on their favorite sport and spend several thousand on NFL/MLB/NBA & etc.

KD

 

[Kid Dynomite]

Starve the fans out??? Unfortunately, there will always be someone out there who is willing to give it away "for free".

somewhere along the line, someone is going to pay and you get what you pay for......

JoeyA

Exactly, get the "Entire" group of professional players under contract and the "For Free" goes away!!!


No one wants to see elmer fudd and tweety bird play pool and pay for it!!!

KD

 

[JoeyA]

Need a business plan with costs accurately calculated.

I get that. But somehow you have to support the "ENTIRE" group of professional players under contract for the entire year and that's where the rubber meets the road. Let's say 32 professional players, average earnings $70,000.00 per year. That's a little over $2 million dollars a year BEFORE expenses for holding the events.

You can't reach back into the player's pockets for that $2million dollars AND YOU HAVE TO PREVENT ALL 32 players from competing in other non-sanctioned events if you want exclusivity.

How much to run 6 "PROFESSIONAL" events per year? (IDK)

Professional PRODUCTION/streaming doesn't come cheap.
Facility Costs.
Equipment/Set up/take-down costs.

I'm guessing that a Bi-monthly production is the way to go to satisfy the "fix" for the viewers. Anything more would be saturation. Keep the fans hungry. You don't see NASCAR races on tv every week.

Events scattered around the country.

How does the promoter recoup his investment/expenses let alone make a profit? (We all know that television advertisements are the only way)

JoeyA



JoeyA

Exactly, get the "Entire" group of professional players under contract and the "For Free" goes away!!!


No one wants to see elmer fudd and tweety bird play pool and pay for it!!!

KD

 

[Kid Dynomite]

I get that. But somehow you have to support the "ENTIRE" group of professional players under contract for the entire year and that's where the rubber meets the road. Let's say 32 professional players, average earnings $70,000.00 per year. That's a little over $2 million dollars a year BEFORE expenses for holding the events.

You can't reach back into the player's pockets for that $2million dollars AND YOU HAVE TO PREVENT ALL 32 players from competing in other non-sanctioned events if you want exclusivity.

How much to run 6 "PROFESSIONAL" events per year? (IDK)

Professional PRODUCTION/streaming doesn't come cheap.
Facility Costs.
Equipment/Set up/take-down costs.

I'm guessing that a Bi-monthly production is the way to go to satisfy the "fix" for the viewers. Anything more would be saturation. Keep the fans hungry. You don't see NASCAR races on tv every week.

Events scattered around the country.

How does the promoter recoup his investment/expenses let alone make a profit? (We all know that television advertisements are the only way)

JoeyA



JoeyA

I never said we start from 'Scratch"

You do not destroy what is already in place you just build on it and leverage it "Only"

Put the existing event promotors as profit sharing with the players and "Double" all prices and create a "Monopoly" and force the fans and sponsors to pay to play!

I doubt given the Low prices that anyone is going to "Buck"



The Problems are transportation "Costs" and "infrastructure"

Charter a plane and pick up 28 professional players from around the globe and help get them to the venues.

or

Exclude large groups of players due to logistics. No way around it. Pick ups in Manilla , Taiwan, Japan, Europe then on to america and have it all arranged by the WPA and a way to keep cost low for players and organized.

Things can be done and promotors made happy. Just need the "Monopoly" to apply pressure and get money into the sport from fans and sponsors and networks.

KD