An Open Discussion about an improper Banning
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I was banned
For telling the truth. Beat that. Given negative feed back that was allowed to stay posted because someone got caught selling a Cue with a shaft he swapped three years later and tried to blame me three years later?
Also for not having a paypal account to accept payment?
Truthfully?
No biggie. It isn't up to us what gives and what takes.
The right cry baby cries and that is that.
Such is life.
Nick Serdula
For telling the truth. Beat that. Given negative feed back that was allowed to stay posted because someone got caught selling a Cue with a shaft he swapped three years later and tried to blame me three years later?
Also for not having a paypal account to accept payment?
Truthfully?
No biggie. It isn't up to us what gives and what takes.
The right cry baby cries and that is that.
Such is life.
Nick Serdula
^^THIS^^
solid post.
we're all big boys & can take the public warnings - and for those who can't....
well said.
I was going to show everyone the difference between the 1st best, and the 15th best, as I have followed behind the work of the so called 1st best, but then decided against posting the pictures as being to embarrassing to show, but I'll gladly settle for the 15th best as long as the work turns out the way I do it....instead of how the others do theirs....LMAO
Andrew;
obviously you didn't play on one with the tight pockets. :grin-square:
best,
brian kc
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Really Lou???
You try and use PJ banning as an illustration that it WAS enforced?
Pj had twice as many short term temporary bans as JB did before he got the two year ban.
Jaden
You try and use PJ banning as an illustration that it WAS enforced?
Pj had twice as many short term temporary bans as JB did before he got the two year ban.
Jaden
There are certain things you say that get you the automatic ban. Regardless of Russ's previously good behavior, he is going to get a break from saying what he said. RKC might deserve one also as his response was definitely over the top also, and his history is a little more checkered.
Whaaaat? Things you are not involved in? Things you have no control over? -Others actions prevent YOU from acting as an adult? Im just gonna leave it at Wow.
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Michael, it is a tough situation and I appreciate that fact.
I do believe that, as another poster has argued, warnings should be public, just to let everyone know what kind of behavior will not be tolerated. Hand-in-hand with that thought, the warnings should be professional and polite, like, "Insulting another member like that is contrary to forum rules. Delete or edit the offending post. Another violation will result in a one month ban." Too often here it is more like, "I'm getting tired of all this nonsense and am going to start whacking people." IOW, it should be more like a trooper pulling you over rather than Sister Mary Perpetual Motion giving you a wedgie.
As to the threads that get off track, I believe warnings early on will fix that.
Lou(is) Figueroa
I haven't posted or been around here in quite a few months. That's pretty typical for me. I will be around for a few months, get tired of it, and stay away for a few months, and then repeat the cycle. I haven't read any of the recent drama that inspired the rash of recent threads like this one so my post was only in general based on many years of being around here (far longer than my sign up date) as opposed to having anybody in particular in mind from any recent incidences.
As for what you disagreed with, I think we may actually agree on that part too. At least until the threads get deleted, people do get to see what people were banned or warned for when it was done publicly, so it does in fact serve to educate on what is inappropriate as well as serve as a deterrent for those that got to see it before deletion. I have said it many times in the past on here though, I am completely opposed to the deleting of threads ever, for any reason, ever, and I don't even think individual posts should be deleted except on exceptionally rare occasion. I also don't believe threads should be locked from further posting except in extremely rare circumstance, but when done it should still at least remain view-able. Let the public record stand--there is always something to learn from any thread, even if it is how not to behave, and generally there is a whole bunch of good stuff that got thrown out with the bad and is forever lost. It's a travesty.
So I see that you agreed with Lou and I in the same day. I feel the apocalypse coming!
PJ got whacked for political reasons. It was totally unfair. That's why I used it as an illustration.
Lou Figueroa
When you are in an animal bar, you tend to act like an animal. If you're in an environment that mimics a prison yard, same deal. And if you find yourself in a professional environment then you will also act accordingly.
Unless of course you are holier than the next guy.
Lou Figueroa
I haven't posted or been around here in quite a few months. That's pretty typical for me. I will be around for a few months, get tired of it, and stay away for a few months, and then repeat the cycle. I haven't read any of the recent drama that inspired the rash of recent threads like this one so my post was only in general based on many years of being around here (far longer than my sign up date) as opposed to having anybody in particular in mind from any recent incidences.
As for what you disagreed with, I think we may actually agree on that part too. At least until the threads get deleted, people do get to see what people were banned or warned for when it was done publicly, so it does in fact serve to educate on what is inappropriate as well as serve as a deterrent for those that got to see it before deletion. I have said it many times in the past on here though, I am completely opposed to the deleting of threads ever, for any reason, ever, and I don't even think individual posts should be deleted except on exceptionally rare occasion. I also don't believe threads should be locked from further posting except in extremely rare circumstance, but when done it should still at least remain view-able. Let the public record stand--there is always something to learn from any thread, even if it is how not to behave, and generally there is a whole bunch of good stuff that got thrown out with the bad and is forever lost. It's a travesty.
So I see that you agreed with Lou and I in the same day. I feel the apocalypse coming!
I'm kinda freak out and just crossed myself
Lou Figueroa
It isn't even close. JB has had more bans than PJ and any other member (and probably PJ and any other two members) you want to choose put together. And if you want to count warnings as well as bans, JB has had more than PJ and any other five members you want to choose from combined. Not trying to pick on anyone or single anyone out, but lets deal with truth and reality here.
For the record, I'm all for a system of escalating ban lengths that are set in stone based on how many previous bans you have had and ultimately ending with a permanent ban. I propose:
-public warning for your first serious offense
-one week ban for your second serious offense
-one month ban for your third serious offense
-six month ban for your fourth serious offense
-two year ban for your fifth serious offense
-lifetime permanent ban for your sixth serious offense
...and that is for any type serious infractions, they need not be of the same type to escalate the length of ban.
I say just lay down the law and let people be the master of their own destiny. They know the repercussions and are totally in control of whether or not they get to continue to enjoy this great site. I think you would see a massive improvement real fast. And honestly, if somebody is out of line that seriously that many times to the point where it was deserving of a ban then they just simply don't care in the least about trying to be a decent contributor and would just have continued to be a lifetime problem and we simply don't need them around here. Just my opinion.
I've been involved in a couple of threads that got deleted and wish I knew why.
Then there are threads that were just closed.
So I've wondered what goes into to deciding to close a thread v deleting one.
There maybe very valid reasons for deletion.
What I think is good protocol would be to close a thread with a post explaining why.
If deletion is in order for a thread, maybe a deletion sticky that only mods can access where they can post explaination why a thread was deleted.
BTW, it is not hard to act like an adult........if you want to.
Then there are threads that were just closed.
So I've wondered what goes into to deciding to close a thread v deleting one.
There maybe very valid reasons for deletion.
What I think is good protocol would be to close a thread with a post explaining why.
If deletion is in order for a thread, maybe a deletion sticky that only mods can access where they can post explaination why a thread was deleted.
BTW, it is not hard to act like an adult........if you want to.
JC
Coos Cues
This thread reminds me of a police sting where they send letters to all those with warrants they want to round up and tell them they won money and show up to claim it.
After this thread reaches about 5 pages or so, gather the names posting in it and ban them all.
AZB problem solved!
JC
After this thread reaches about 5 pages or so, gather the names posting in it and ban them all.
AZB problem solved!
JC