Your Good.....I'm tired and this is america, freedom of speech , agree to disagree...I'm hopeing, we wasted our time and this tour works. smooth stroke'n. ciao
AL P.S. KEEP smile'n!
AL P.S. KEEP smile'n!
And here is KT's letter
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Robroy said:
Hey Robroy, I'm trying to follow your logic. Are you saying that because KY (oops KT) may have put up his own money, that precludes KT and the IPT from being a con?
I'm not an expert on con artists, but I believe that the con artist usually invests his own money initially, putting up a front to make his con believeable and more appealing to the victims. Pryamid schemes are initially funded by the con artist until he finds enough victims to carry the payments, even pool hustlers often lose their own (or backers) money while setting up a score. In the movie "The Sting" (I know it was a movie), they spent a fortune setting up the con before they got to the "payoff".
Of course, this drama hasn't totally played out, so we don't really know who the final "mark" will be, right now it's the players, maybe later on, the elusive Ho, or perhaps the "public", as in "public offering", or maybe the scam completley fails and the con man loses.
The biggest "tell" that this is a con is the man himself, KT. Personally, I find him impossible to root for.
Look into my eyes....Your feeling sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeepy...Your reaching for your waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallet....your getting tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiired.
I think we should all send KY some of Bernie's medication. It's obvious he's not using it. The rest of us are obviously not stoned enough to buy this stuff. Thirty lawyers. I got to stop before I pee myself.
Nick
I think we should all send KY some of Bernie's medication. It's obvious he's not using it. The rest of us are obviously not stoned enough to buy this stuff. Thirty lawyers. I got to stop before I pee myself.
Nick
Good Times They are 'a Comin'...
In the immortal words of Jethro Tull:
In the immortal words of Jethro Tull:
"Fallen on hard times,
But it feels good to know,
The milk and honey's just around the bend."
But it feels good to know,
The milk and honey's just around the bend."
QUOTE=Russ Chewning]Just playing the devil's advocate... But you know this how? Just because he says so? He also says in infomercials that modern drugs take a back seat to "Natural Cures" in curing cancer, growing hair, etc, etc, ad nauseum.
There are lots of ways for him to have gotten money together to pay prize funds that have been paid so far.
Lots of ways. What is that?
There are rumors that Mike Sigel was not really paid anything.. yet, for his part in the King of the Hill match. It could all be marketing, with Mike Sigel to be paid his fee when and IF the IPT goes public.
Mike Sigel charges $20.00 for a signed pool ball and your telling me he didn't get paid? Not sure personally I didn't ask Mike. But I know Loree Jon got paid.
I'm not saying the players won't get paid for Reno,
I hoping you are right on this one
but I have my doubts. All that really remains is a proven conman with a criminal record is in charge of big time men's pool right now. He "may or may not have" invested any of his own money in it. I'm not going to believe that part just because he says so.
What we DO know is that he lied multiple times in saying that the checks were in the mail, when they were not in the mail. He....is....a.....liar. If you give him ANY benefit of the doubt, you are deluding yourself.
Gotta give you that one...........but I will stick with the first sentence only.
I really don't get what is so complicated. He is a conman who sells placebo pills as cancer and baldness cures, and assorted other snake oils.
The complicated part is tricky, he is either a conman or he truly believes what he is doing. I think there is a difference. I am not on a health kick however when I played at an IPT event..............loved the food.....sure would have like having sweet and low for my coffee and a diet coke.........but KT kept true to his conviction they are bad for you.
He sure thinks out of the box...........he may fall hard but I take my hat off to him.............he jumped!
If that were not bad enough, he has lied to our professional players, then left them hanging for an entire month.
Agreed, he should have put his cards on the table..........he should come clean on that one.
And you say we should be POSITIVE about some letter from this slimeball?
I'm saying if you are not an IPT player you should have never seen the letter.
Did you miss the part where he has a history of lying? It would be one thing if he said the checks should be going out next week once we "seal the deal" with Ho. But he didn't.. He SAID THE CHECKS WERE ALREADY IN THE MAIL.
Are we having fun yet?
Russ[/QUOTE]
There are lots of ways for him to have gotten money together to pay prize funds that have been paid so far.
Lots of ways. What is that?
There are rumors that Mike Sigel was not really paid anything.. yet, for his part in the King of the Hill match. It could all be marketing, with Mike Sigel to be paid his fee when and IF the IPT goes public.
Mike Sigel charges $20.00 for a signed pool ball and your telling me he didn't get paid? Not sure personally I didn't ask Mike. But I know Loree Jon got paid.
I'm not saying the players won't get paid for Reno,
I hoping you are right on this one
but I have my doubts. All that really remains is a proven conman with a criminal record is in charge of big time men's pool right now. He "may or may not have" invested any of his own money in it. I'm not going to believe that part just because he says so.
What we DO know is that he lied multiple times in saying that the checks were in the mail, when they were not in the mail. He....is....a.....liar. If you give him ANY benefit of the doubt, you are deluding yourself.
Gotta give you that one...........but I will stick with the first sentence only.
I really don't get what is so complicated. He is a conman who sells placebo pills as cancer and baldness cures, and assorted other snake oils.
The complicated part is tricky, he is either a conman or he truly believes what he is doing. I think there is a difference. I am not on a health kick however when I played at an IPT event..............loved the food.....sure would have like having sweet and low for my coffee and a diet coke.........but KT kept true to his conviction they are bad for you.
He sure thinks out of the box...........he may fall hard but I take my hat off to him.............he jumped!
If that were not bad enough, he has lied to our professional players, then left them hanging for an entire month.
Agreed, he should have put his cards on the table..........he should come clean on that one.
And you say we should be POSITIVE about some letter from this slimeball?
I'm saying if you are not an IPT player you should have never seen the letter.
Did you miss the part where he has a history of lying? It would be one thing if he said the checks should be going out next week once we "seal the deal" with Ho. But he didn't.. He SAID THE CHECKS WERE ALREADY IN THE MAIL.
Are we having fun yet?
Russ[/QUOTE]
Simple Questions......If i read this right and i believe i did. He is definately selling to HO and Ho is going to pay off all the players (=debt). Now why would anyone in their right mind want to buy this business that KT has started and is over 3 million in the hole already and pay 150 million to boot for it. Just don't make sense. I can understand 1 company buying another and also getting all of their debt. So another question comes to mind. If KT does indeed sell the IPT to Mr HO. Then who owes the players the money for Reno. KT or Mr HO. The debt was incurred when KT owned it. So why would Mr HO buy it and pay off KT's large debt. KT, in my opinion should have never held the Reno tournament if he knew he was selling and the players would have to wait for MR HO to put his money into the IPT's account so they could get paid. KT, should have been forth right with the players and told them this from the start. Then we would not have this problem and infighting going on.................................mike
cueball1950 said:
munch, munch, munch, OUCH ! (I think I broke a tooth). Oh well, I'll chew on the other side........ munch,munch,munch (needs more salt)
Doug
( there's always another side )
Ont Thin Dime...One Tenth Of A Dollar !!!!
I'm surprised that noone posted the bottom part of KT's e-mail message, which read:
Step right up ladies and gentlemen and see the Tallest man on earth, the Shortest man on earth, the Bearded lady and Jo-Jo "The Dog Faced Boy"....
Doug
( you pays your money and you takes your chances )
I'm surprised that noone posted the bottom part of KT's e-mail message, which read:
Step right up ladies and gentlemen and see the Tallest man on earth, the Shortest man on earth, the Bearded lady and Jo-Jo "The Dog Faced Boy"....
Doug
( you pays your money and you takes your chances )
"I wish it were as easy as me paying players myself, but this is legally unacceptable at this time." -Kevin Trudeau
How could it be legally unacceptable for you to pay out of your own pocket? If I wanted to give Efren Reyes a check for 500k, all I would do is write the fookin check. If it's coming out of pocket, then there is no legal issue. Pay the players Kevin. You're doing more damage than good to your brand.
How could it be legally unacceptable for you to pay out of your own pocket? If I wanted to give Efren Reyes a check for 500k, all I would do is write the fookin check. If it's coming out of pocket, then there is no legal issue. Pay the players Kevin. You're doing more damage than good to your brand.
There seems to be a growing army of negavibe know-alls frequenting this forum now, that seem to assume that every single thing that KT said is either a lie or an extreme embellishment.
Sure he spins things a tad, and criticism for the payments in waiting are deserved.
But keep in mind that much of what KT has told us has happened. The 3 biggest events in history have happened. Significant broadcasting has been achieved.
So I think it's arrogant to assume every word is bollocks. I guess we'll know a little more about the future of the IPT come Tuesday, and there are reasons to be a little worried. But fact is no one here really knows what is going on.
If this merger goes ahead and the IPT becomes a public company, then it would seem to be a somewhat impressive milestone for the sport.
Personally I don't think there is enough evidence to suggest that the IPT is doomed to failure, even though I have concerns about some areas of management, PR, communication etc.
Until I learn more I'll keep my fingers crossed and pray they can make the IPT a successful business.
One thing I'm sure of is that KT has worked bloody hard and turned over a lot of stones that people in the pool game haven't even looked at before. Not all stones revealed a treasure, but you never learn by not trying.
If the players do not get paid and 2007 members do not get their 100k, KT will deserve strong criticism for dishonesty. A delayed payment is forgivable however.
So hold onto your hats until Tuesday's announcement comes in and further information is forthcoming.
Colin
Sure he spins things a tad, and criticism for the payments in waiting are deserved.
But keep in mind that much of what KT has told us has happened. The 3 biggest events in history have happened. Significant broadcasting has been achieved.
So I think it's arrogant to assume every word is bollocks. I guess we'll know a little more about the future of the IPT come Tuesday, and there are reasons to be a little worried. But fact is no one here really knows what is going on.
If this merger goes ahead and the IPT becomes a public company, then it would seem to be a somewhat impressive milestone for the sport.
Personally I don't think there is enough evidence to suggest that the IPT is doomed to failure, even though I have concerns about some areas of management, PR, communication etc.
Until I learn more I'll keep my fingers crossed and pray they can make the IPT a successful business.
One thing I'm sure of is that KT has worked bloody hard and turned over a lot of stones that people in the pool game haven't even looked at before. Not all stones revealed a treasure, but you never learn by not trying.
If the players do not get paid and 2007 members do not get their 100k, KT will deserve strong criticism for dishonesty. A delayed payment is forgivable however.
So hold onto your hats until Tuesday's announcement comes in and further information is forthcoming.
Colin
btw: Who actually said that the checks were in the mail? And where is the evidence for it?
I can't recall ever hearing that the checks were in the mail.
Colin
I can't recall ever hearing that the checks were in the mail.
Colin
Ho to KT: The check's in the mail! But I forgot to mark the correct box, so there might be a slight delay...
Tap tap tap ....
Very well said .... Some people 'thrive' on the NEGATIVE ASPECTS of life.
No wonder the bloody divorce rate is so high! The IPT, with all its faults, still has done a number of trailblazing things for the Pool world, where many have fallen short in the past. What is trying to be accomplished would be monumental to the Pool world, and Rome wasn't built in a day folks.
I think it is okay to have concerns and a little skepticism, but the 100% negativity that is posted by some people, or just because it isn't shaping up the way they think it should, is uncalled for, IMO.
Now, I don't think 30 lawyers are involved, but considering all possible aspects of the deal, it is entirely possible that 6-10 lawyers could be involved, along with management types from multiple companies.
Colin Colenso said:
Very well said .... Some people 'thrive' on the NEGATIVE ASPECTS of life.
No wonder the bloody divorce rate is so high! The IPT, with all its faults, still has done a number of trailblazing things for the Pool world, where many have fallen short in the past. What is trying to be accomplished would be monumental to the Pool world, and Rome wasn't built in a day folks.
I think it is okay to have concerns and a little skepticism, but the 100% negativity that is posted by some people, or just because it isn't shaping up the way they think it should, is uncalled for, IMO.
Now, I don't think 30 lawyers are involved, but considering all possible aspects of the deal, it is entirely possible that 6-10 lawyers could be involved, along with management types from multiple companies.
Robroy said:
You still misunderstand.
I am, have been, and will root for pool my entire life. That is not the issue.
In my opinion, the success of pool and KY's (oops KT) involvement in it are mutually enclusive. And accepting an option simply because it is the only one currently available is not always part of a rational decision making process.
right on colin.
look, the way i see it is we need to reserve our judgement. he may well have a dodgy past, but let's face it, up until this current farce with the cheques, he's done nothing but a whole lot of good for the game of pool. he says this fiasco is "a one off and was unavoidable" and won't happen again, so why not give him the benefit of the doubt? he's made this announcement to the players, lets see what happens. until then let's be sensible and reserve our judgement. because let's remember, it helps our game in no way at all for the IPT to bomb.
look, the way i see it is we need to reserve our judgement. he may well have a dodgy past, but let's face it, up until this current farce with the cheques, he's done nothing but a whole lot of good for the game of pool. he says this fiasco is "a one off and was unavoidable" and won't happen again, so why not give him the benefit of the doubt? he's made this announcement to the players, lets see what happens. until then let's be sensible and reserve our judgement. because let's remember, it helps our game in no way at all for the IPT to bomb.