Any rambow cue fans out there. Eye candy here

[dbgordie]

It does not look like it is same cue. Look at veneers closely. To me before and after pictures show different cues.

It's the same cue. You can tell by looking near the brass joint. You will see a dark grain line that is located in the same spot and has the same length in both before and after pictures. That being said, I wouldn't know if it's a Rambow or not.


AKA Noah Buddy

 

[Kickin' Chicken]

Nope. It's not 100% mine yet. It's part of a group purchase I have but barring the LOA from Rubino it'll be mine. Test hit it and it's nice.

When I told the gentleman selling it to me that there were some questions on its authenticity, he's 100% confident it's genuine and ask me to take bets if anybody wanted to bet against the authenticity of the queue, so I posted it, more as a joke. However Scott at proficient billiards did the refinish on it keeping the original signature in tact, I will post some before photos below:

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on a pool forum when you put a bet offer out and someone takes it, you look like you have credibility issues if you then go underground and duck. Coming back much later saying "I posted it more as a joke" is weak, imo. I think it was more of a highroll attempt by you that you never expected anyone would take. Patrick (ideologist) is a degenerate gambler - he'll bet on *anything*. :thumbup:

If you'll recall, the first exchange I ever had with you was your breaking my balls over the price I was asking for a TS cue I put up for sale (it sold that day for what I asked) saying how much better you can buy these same cues. Not a very friendly 'how do you do'.

I've been warning people about you for months after observing how you do business. Here's one example:

A TS cue you were selling on eBay was misrepresented and you also failed to disclose work that was done on the cue that I know you were aware of.

you challenged the authenticity of this cue to the guy who sold it to you, whether it really was a TS. you said you thought it was a fake - how ironic.

here's the link:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/112621910640?ul_noapp=true

Seeing some of this other stuff coming up in this thread isn't surprising to me.

Caveat Emptor.

best,
brian kc

 

[Rackattach]

To put it in simple terms, because the billiards world stands alone in an overall lack of appreciation for originality. Cue owners place more importance on bright and shiny.

One nick in a forearm and most players will have a cue refinished. Dirty 50 year-old Cortland wraps are trashed in favor of modern linen from Atlas.

I did not refinish the cue. The guy who I'm working a deal with on it did unfortunately.
I don't think I'd ever have refinished the cue based on before pics.

 

[djv122385]

Hi, I am totally ignorant regarding these things, how can you determine from the x-ray if it is a Rambow(I know how x-rays work, just don't know what you are looking for/at).

To answer this, one of Patrick's main concerns is that the wood on the handle doesn't match the wood grain above the wrap. The belief is either the handle has been replaced, or modified. By having an X-ray of the cue, he will be able to see if there is any joint under the wrap where a new handle has been attached etc, without having to remove it. Just trying to preserve the cues integrity while getting an answer.

 

[branpureza]

Good post KC.

on a pool forum when you put a bet offer out and someone takes it, you look like you have credibility issues if you then go underground and duck. Coming back much later saying "I posted it more as a joke" is weak, imo. I think it was more of a highroll attempt by you that you never expected anyone would take. Patrick (ideologist) is a degenerate gambler - he'll bet on *anything*. :thumbup:

If you'll recall, the first exchange I ever had with you was your breaking my balls over the price I was asking for a TS cue I put up for sale (it sold that day for what I asked) saying how much better you can buy these same cues. Not a very friendly 'how do you do'.

I've been warning people about you for months after observing how you do business. Here's one example:

A TS cue you were selling on eBay was misrepresented and you also failed to disclose work that was done on the cue that I know you were aware of.

you challenged the authenticity of this cue to the guy who sold it to you, whether it really was a TS. you said you thought it was a fake - how ironic.

here's the link:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/112621910640?ul_noapp=true

Seeing some of this other stuff coming up in this thread isn't surprising to me.

Caveat Emptor.

best,
brian kc

 

[classiccues]

This... and this is why IMHO

Before refinish: $ 1200.00
After Refinish: $ 600.00

This is why serious collectors in other niche's scoff at cues.

JV

To put it in simple terms, because the billiards world stands alone in an overall lack of appreciation for originality. Cue owners place more importance on bright and shiny.

One nick in a forearm and most players will have a cue refinished. Dirty 50 year-old Cortland wraps are trashed in favor of modern linen from Atlas.

 

[Mr. Wilson]

My strong advice to all participants:

ONLY use a reputable escrow service when dealing with people you do not personally know.

 

[cueaddicts]

Why on God’s green earth would anyone refinish that cue?

 

[OLD NO 9]

Why on God’s green earth would anyone refinish that cue?

My question is why a reputable cue maker or repairman would even take on a restoration that would destroy the value of such a collectable cue? The only thing thing that comes to mind is that it had already been tampered with?

 

[classiccues]

How else are you going to make 75 dollars? Besides.. he is only doing what the customer requests...

JV

My question is why a reputable cue maker or repairman would even take on a restoration that would destroy the value of such a collectable cue? The only thing thing that comes to mind is that it had already been tampered with?

 

[dbgordie]

My question is why a reputable cue maker or repairman would even take on a restoration that would destroy the value of such a collectable cue? The only thing thing that comes to mind is that it had already been tampered with?

It's probably a fake. Just like a lot of people are guessing.

Buyer Beware!!

 

[cuesblues]

My question is why a reputable cue maker or repairman would even take on a restoration that would destroy the value of such a collectable cue? The only thing thing that comes to mind is that it had already been tampered with?

I've owned three really nice Herman Rambow cues for 15 years.
Although they are cool and survived nicely since the early forties, how collectible are they.

Because two of my Rambows are unsigned, I am having Paul Drexler convert them to wrapless modern playing cues.
They are fat enough and straight enough to go wrapless so why not.

The third cue has a famous actors name on it, and will be fully restored using age appropriate varnish and reusing the original Cortland linen.

On the two unsigned cues I wanted the brass joint changed to stainless but Paul talked me out of it.

Why not put these cues back in play?
I am putting a lot of money into this project, I bought the Willie Mosconi rambow shafts and everything.
The fact that the two unsigned cues will be modern old school players is a fun project for me, and could be profitable too.
There is nothing wrong with using the finest early forties Titlist cues for modern players.
It also eliminates all the people who say because they are unsigned they aren't Rambows.
Who cares, they will be nice conversion cues by Paul Drexler, substantially more valuable than a couple of unsigned Herman Rambow cues.

 

[WildWing]

My strong advice to all participants:

ONLY use a reputable escrow service when dealing with people you do not personally know.

Agree, and I would advise not conducting bets on an internet forum such as this, where everyone is basically, a ghost, with no legal responsibility. A consequence of the digital age...

All the best,
WW

 

[TATE]

Maybe it's just the pictures, but the "before" photos look like the butt wood matches the points, the "after" does not. The before pics also look like there already was some kind of fresher clear coat.

 

[ribdoner]

No, this guys name is Michael McCormack. He's been crossposting on FB as well so anyone in the marketplaces there beware.

there's another "ID" that surfaced on FB a while ago

posted a few low end items and suddenly moved up to high end items (including a couple of TASC'S) which "belong to someone else"

the plot thickens

 

[Baby Huey]

I'm not saying this cue is a fake but Rambow never put lacquer on his cues. He hand rubbed them and believed in the natural oils from your hands sealing in the cue. Regarding the wrap, I think its OK to put on a new wrap especially if the old linen is worn out. I just wouldn't have put a leather wrap on the cue. Rambow would never have done that.

 

[xianmacx]

Not sure what that means. But I posted a little of my experience I've had with this guy and feel something isn't rite about what he is doing with buying all these Scruggs sneaky Pete cues, so later he can take his 30 Scruggs blank butts. And finish them himself and sell them at 600 to 650 a pop. And people would think he is selling off a bunch of old ts sneakies. Since he thinks people will just think he bought all of them from his post of wanting to buy all Scruggs sneakies and shafts only.

Looks like he is trying to sell a Scruggs sneaky on FB now. "refinished shaft" looks to be a brand new shaft. 800$ Buyer beware

 

[Snooker Theory]

I'm not saying this cue is a fake but Rambow never put lacquer on his cues. He hand rubbed them and believed in the natural oils from your hands sealing in the cue. Regarding the wrap, I think its OK to put on a new wrap especially if the old linen is worn out. I just wouldn't have put a leather wrap on the cue. Rambow would never have done that.

Never seen a Rambow in person, I didn't know that.

 

[pdcue]

Never seen a Rambow in person, I didn't know that.

FWIW - Herman used varnish, IIUC, but he def
'finished' them. Linen wraps were standard, but
I have seen them with leather.

Dale

 

[cuesblues]

FWIW - Herman used varnish, IIUC, but he def
'finished' them. Linen wraps were standard, but
I have seen them with leather.

Dale

He also used some kind of lacquer on cues as well.
I have three
Early forties cues, actor who owned them died in 1942.
Paul Drexler is fully restoring the one with the Otis Skinner name, reusing the original 75 year old Cortland linen, and applying the lacquer back to original.
I have no idea what type of lacquer finish it is, but it's definitely lacquer.

Overall this trio of Rambows is a major project, especially with what I'm doing with the other two cues.