I thought most of the tournaments are now using 860HR? 860HR does have a different shaving process than 860...
Brian
Archer's View on Diamond tables
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I thought most of the tournaments are now using 860HR? 860HR does have a different shaving process than 860...
Brian
:smile: You just go right ahead being starstruck.And, for the record, learn to read. I never said that I know more than the pros. YOU said that. Please don't put words in my mouth, and then try and slam me for what YOU said!
And, just for your education, just because the pros can DO something, doesn't mean they know WHY it happens. I'll take Dr. Dave and Bob Jewett against any pro you can name in the knowledge department of how and why things happen the way they do. They have proved the "pros" wrong a number of times already.
I'd rather be able to do something and not know how I did it than wish I could do it and think I know how. I'm not starstruck in the least bit, I believe completely that JA knows more about pool than you, Dr. Dave and Bob Jewett. There are things about stroke shots you can not comprehend unless you can do them. You want to sit here and tell everyone how they should play and how they are wrong when they can spot you the 5 out.
Do you think skid and skip are the same?
i respect his game but it seems like everytime he plays there is always some excuse about something. Its like every match there is to many balls in the pocket, or chalk on the cue ball, or someone in the audience moving. He has more complaints than anyone i have ever seen.
Brian I took a white terry cloth towel and gave it a splash of denatured alcohol and rubbed the inside of the pocket anywhere a ball could hit on a medium to hard shot. Turn the cloth frequently and use a new cloth for each pocket. About once a year I hit them again and get more dye off and it works great. Diamond should give buyers the option of buying pockets with dye only on the outside of the leather....End of problem.
If he would of ran 500 balls he would said how great the table was,it was his own fault anyway he didnt notice the tiny piece of hair on the object ball thats what made it skid,well i guess even johnny cant see every little tiny piece of fiber.archer is one of the best ever,but is the biggest cry baby of all time!
Love Gold Crowns
We had our Gold Crown rails recut so the diamond rubber will fit perfectly and it plays perfect. The local pool room out here in Tacoma had 8 of their Gold Crowns done the same way and they play nice. As for the skidding I'm riding on the theory of the dyed leather pockets leaving residue on the balls causing the skids. Just an opinion, not a fact.
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We had our Gold Crown rails recut so the diamond rubber will fit perfectly and it plays perfect. The local pool room out here in Tacoma had 8 of their Gold Crowns done the same way and they play nice. As for the skidding I'm riding on the theory of the dyed leather pockets leaving residue on the balls causing the skids. Just an opinion, not a fact.
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From what i understand the blue logos are the new ones. Red are the old ones. I have a proam that is a little over a year old and it has a red logo.
First of all, let me say that statement would be more valuable if Johnny had made it instead of you.
As far as sharing goes...as you like to put it, then why don't you SHARE the fact that Johnny Archer....HAS in fact...a Diamond 9ft ProAm in his pool room!...or DIDN'T you know about that?
Are you even aware of the fact...that I redesigned the playing conditions of the rails on all Diamond tables?...or are you just interested in trying to stir the pot here on AZ?
Since the US Open...have you heard one negative comment about Diamond tables....since you like to share/report..what Johnny has to say about Diamond tables?
Here's a little thought for all of you who think Diamonds skid more than any other tables out here. First of all, all things being equal on Gold Crowns vs Diamond tables, same cloth and all...then ask yourselves what's different between the tables! Hmmmm....MAYBE we should take a look at the balls...COULD there be a major difference between the Brunswick Centennial balls used on a Gold Crown vs the Super Aramith Pro balls used on the Diamond's? YES...there is, the finish don't last on the Super Aramith Pro balls, which in turn with the loss of the finish, the friction factor increases...which in turn, causes cling/hold/ball hop...what ever you want to call it....it even causes balls to hopp off the rails...and play boingy off the cushions....often blamed on the TABLE!!!
So, I say to you....get your damn facts straight....go ask Johnny Archer....if he even knows who you are...what he thinks about Diamond tables...paticularly...the DIAMOND PROAM in his pool room!!!
You..."overheard"....Johnny....and took that to be FACT reporting...a year later?????
Glen, the "Realkingcobra"
I like Dogs theory and the normal collection of dirt and chalk on the balls.
But what RKC says about the different brands of balls made me remember something that was brought to my attention years ago.
If you enlarge a ball bearing to the size of the earth the peaks and valleys would be much more deeper and higher than the earths would.
Confirm if you can, please !
So what seems to be smooth may very well not be !
Just sayin......
Just to be clear, in the context of Archer's comment regarding the ball "skidding", we are not talking about the ball taking longer to begin to turn over and roll like on new cloth. We are talking about when two balls make contact with each other and "lock-up" resulting in a shot that appears to have been hit too full. Often times this produces a shot that misses by a lot. Frequently when this happens you can actually see it. The OB sort of goes along for a ride with the cue ball skidding in the process, before they finally part company and the OB takes off in its own direction. When it does it is on an entirely different path than the one intended.
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!! :rotflmao1::killingme:
I know, my 860 vs 860HR comment was a bit off topic directed towards Fatboy talking about 860 having changed. Just wondering if most of what he is complaining about the change in 860 is the increased use of 860HR lately... As he specifically mentioned the shaving is different then it used to be, and the 860 and 860HR shaving is in fact different.
Brian
I'll take a piece of that action,
Call me Neil I'll brink a good stake, and we'll take it down. I'll get me some cool shades like Burt Gordon wore in the Hustler and grind it out while we bust'em.
I'll take a piece of that action,
I'll bring along a juicy steak
Brian
that was kinda my point, it wasnt the table... but people think im trying to bash diamond, which is crazy. I will never have anything but diamonds.
Actually Brian, I just quoted your post because it was the first one back that I could find. There were a couple of other posts that suggested to me perhaps some were thinking about cloth skid. But perhaps different cloth could have an effect if one cloth sheds more than another and as a result the balls picked up cloth fibers more frequently.
Which brings me to a thought about this static electricity thing. Though I can't imagine it having enough of an effect to literally cause a skid by itself, I can see static electricity causing fibers, chalk dust, hairs or whatever to adhere to the balls more - which in turn will cause a skid. This is why I prefer Plexus or Brillianize to clean the balls. Both are anti-static. Plexus is better in this regard, imo.
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not talking about HR, I know the difference. Since they started shaving the regular 860 we in Vegas(dry air) get lots of skids, And I have had this problem with cloth that Glen and Ernesto has intalled so I cant lay blame on the guys who put it on my tables, both my GC and Diamond have problems with it. I went to see Tony at Black Boar he has "Fuzzy" 860, I asked him how old it was, he said about 10 years ago. I have the cloth that Ernesto put on a GC4 I bought in 99 and put it in my house that cloth was just like tony's there was more fuzz on it than there is now. I dont know why they are making the 860 play faster/longer. It was great before, now its between the old 860 and 760.
None of this has to do with tables, Skidding balls is not related to the slate at all IMO.
Like I said I know JA as good as or better than anyone here, we dont talk about pool all that much but the topic has came up several times about Diamond tables. He dosent hate them like he did a few years ago, he has sofened up his opinion. He likes Greg-there is no war there. Greg likes JA. Its not a personal thing between them, at all. infact JA will tell you that he ran his 15 pack on a old Diamond that playe harder than the new ones, and he is proud of that. That was when he was playing Busta, the race was 13(I think) and he had a 2 pack going into it or after it, JA said he ran 15 racks in a row on a Diamond table.
The bottom line is pool is business to JA as a pro and room owner. He has a family and wants to provide them with the best he can, if he believes he can play better and win more on a particular brand of table then he will take a position on that, based on his desire to succeed. All the other bullshit on this thread isnt worth a quarter.
This isnt directed at anyone one specific:*
Its his livelyhood not his hobby. Look at it like a truck driver who likes Peterbuilts better than Kenworths, its not their family car its a tool for business thats what a pool table is to JA-it just business-nothing more nothing less. Thats why we dont talk pool as friends, we leave that at the shop, sure at the M-cup we talked pool nonstop but we were open for biz so to speak for 4 days non-stop. Do you think we said a word about the M-Cup in the hour long drive to the airport Monday morning after the M-Cup? Nope. JA rarely reads anything here because he wants time off from work, pool is his job. Do you read message boards on your work related life? I sure dont. If you can understand that, then perhaps you can see why he says what he does. He is 100% honest and cant be bought off by anyone, his integrity is impeccable-every way in life. I'm his daughters God Father and I'm damn proud to be, not because he is a great player, because he is a great person.
best
Eric
*I was just trying a new style of writing where i'm trying to talk on a more personal level to the reader. So I wrote it like it was directed at one person, it wasnt. I really am working on my writing hard.
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