Are Schon custom cues?

Remy

Remy

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Maybe this question doesn't belong in this section and I apologized for that but a statement about Schon Not being a production cue was made in another forum.
I know they are production cues but I wanted to know all of the Azers opinion on this subject.
Thank you all in advance :).
 
custom or not

to me, custom means made to my specifications. weight, length, diameters, balance points, possibly even some of or all of the design.. etc...
 
Remy said:
Maybe this question doesn't belong in this section and I apologized for that but a statement about Schon Not being a production cue was made in another forum.
I know they are production cues but I wanted to know all of the Azers opinion on this subject.
Thank you all in advance :).
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They're not custom, but they are very high quality. I like the hit of my Schon as much as any cue I've ever had (more with the 25 year old Schon shaft on it that I call the "Magic Shaft").
 
schon cues

They are on top of the food chain in production cues, but no they are not CUSTOM
 
tommie1351 said:
They are on top of the food chain in production cues, but no they are not CUSTOM
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I agree with that statement!!! And even better if you get a LTD 1 of 12 you then have a limited production cue from a top manufacture only a few other will ever have.
 
^ or an Elite, which is 1 of 7. Also, I just sold a 1 of 4 LTD Schon.

Back to the question, Schon is as stated up high on the food chain of production cues. However, they can and have done custom work. The early days saw more 'custom'er work. And you can still get things made to your specs, even a 1 of 1 if you want. $$$ talks!

So, the answer should be a straight forward 'no', but it's not that easy. There are exceptions.

edit: should've read 'no'
 
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If a well-known cue maker makes one cue per year and when it is finished you go first and buy it, still it is not custom. Custom is when you go to a cue maker with a piece of paper with your own specs written and it is made to fulfill your requirements. Anything else it is either production, ltd production, 1/1 etc
 
err... not really.

a custom cue is a cue made by an individual, not mass produced by a company.
 
I believe Sch?n cues are stated to be custom cues because even the production line cues are not exactly the same. I mean there are differences in stains, colors (or even woods maybe?).
However I don't want to say that my STL-4 Sch?n is unique just because it has its forearm stained (the maple was given a dark brown stain to match the ebony better) as there could be (I mean there must be) many other STL-4 cues out there with the same stained forearm.
Yet I believe that 'Sch?n' is working on having some diversity unlike pretty much all the other production cue maker companys out there.
One more thing: I also find the Sch?nIV shaft a step taken to get closer to real custom cues with the shaft's true ivory ferrule.

A few words about my cue: I got it with the IV shaft (just out of curiousity as I hardly could have waited (an)other year(s) to try one and I really wanted to know how they hit) and I like it so much that I might get a higher-end Sch?n (probably a LTD. or an older model). I am truly impressed with the way my cue hits, it is devastating.

Sorry for the 'little' off...
 
ioCross said:
err... not really.

a custom cue is a cue made by an individual, not mass produced by a company.
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Spliting hairs really ... this argument is more about your precevied definnition of a word..

Custom.. is made to your order...
Production is, well... made....

I I order a **whatever brand** cue with the forearm, butt sleeve, wrap, ferrule, joint and tip of my choice, along with the weight shaft diameter and balance.. then it is a cusotm cue.. custom to MY specs.... doesnt matter if it's a Schon or a SW...

Conversely.. if I buy a CUsotm cue on the secondary market, it isnt that much different than picking up production cue.. in the way that it wasnt made for me.....

Like I said, its more about what the word custom means to you...
 
so you're saying that samsara, timmy scruggs, carolina cues, capone, tarscella and other guys who make cues by hand individually are consitered production cues by virtue of a person's definition of the word?

and if you order a cuetec with an extra long shaft it becomes a custom cue?
 
smokeandapancak said:
Spliting hairs really ... this argument is more about your precevied definnition of a word..

Custom.. is made to your order...
Production is, well... made....

I I order a **whatever brand** cue with the forearm, butt sleeve, wrap, ferrule, joint and tip of my choice, along with the weight shaft diameter and balance.. then it is a cusotm cue.. custom to MY specs.... doesnt matter if it's a Schon or a SW...

Conversely.. if I buy a CUsotm cue on the secondary market, it isnt that much different than picking up production cue.. in the way that it wasnt made for me.....
Like I said, its more about what the word custom means to you...
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Hate quote my own post.. but yeah..
Now if you can read that post and and make up your mind that I meant a Cuetech with long shaft is custom and mor valuable that a scruggs .. well .. then.... ok


Think of it like this.. if you order a custom suit.. then it is made to fit YOU... If I buy that suit from you .. is it still a custom.. sure... does the custom part of it hold any value to me..... nah.. not really.... still a nice suit.. better than one you buy of the rack.. but I will have to get some taylor work doen in order for it to fit.
 
i think the problem is that everyone wants to put cuemakers into 2 catagories. Either Production or custom. This doesn't always fit.

I own a schon limited that i love. A friend of mine owns a Mcdaniels that is a very nice cue & it hits very well.

Both cues were made with a cnc machine. The work on both cues is flawless.

Why is the cnc Mcdaniel cue any more custom than the schon??

By the way, I love Mcdaniel cues & think they play great.
 
The problem is people are trying to put the cuemaker or the cue co. into one of the 2 options (production or custom) when they should be talking about the cue in general. If a cue comes from a line (as in "production line" ) then it is a production cue IE Joss 94-7 Schon ST-1 etc. but there is nothing to say a cue company can't make a custom cue as many of them have. A production cue with a different color stain is not a custom cue.
 
most custom cue makers would be considered if there making 100 cues a year or less .Even some custom makers shops i have been in still have some sort of production or else they would go broke .like maybe when they cut shafts they will ado 50 at a time, or when they make handles they make a large number at one time. even doing that there still consider custom cue makers. i would also say a one man shop would be custom cue maker . my feelings are stil with the number of cues made per year.
 
I would say i consider a product a production one if they have a dealers or stores associated w/ it and if it is more than 10 people in one company. custom one if its less than 2 people to make the product and its less than 100 a year that can be built. just my opinion :)


HAPPY NEW YEAR !!!!!


Jun :)
 
Schon being custom or not...depending your defination. Custom to me is being able to order a cue with specific specs. With the Schons I dont think you can do that. You can probably order or have you tapers modified...but the butt section is probably not optional. I would agree that the limited, elites and uniques are probably as close to a custom from schon as you will get. All that being said...the Schons play great! the hit is pretty consistant from the lowest model to the highest. I really like the ebony wood schons. I have had probably 5 higher end schons and the playability has kept me from blindly ordering a higher end custom. Here is my custom or not Schon Unique 27 "the only one made"
 

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OK, there is one thing that has not been said, WHO CARES?????, really, a good cue is just that a good cue(or great), just cause one guy makes a cue from start to finish or 10 different people work on it from start to finish what matters most is how they play, I just don't get why it is such a big deal whether we call them custom cues or production cue, they are all cut by some kind of machine, what matters to me is what people are saying about the cue maker or brand. I guess I don't get what all the fuss is about, a pool cue is a pool cue.
 
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OK, there is one thing that has not been said, WHO CARES?????, really, a good cue is just that a good cue(or great), just cause one guy makes a cue from start to finish or 10 different people work on it from start to finish what matters most is how they play, I just don't get why it is such a big deal whether we call them custom cues or production cue, they are all cut by some kind of machine, what matters to me is what people are saying about the cue maker or brand. I guess I don't get what all the fuss is about, a pool cue is a pool cue.
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I'm pretty sure the original poster cares. But you made some good points to educate him. :rolleyes:
 
Schons can be custom ordered. Evan will make a design you want for a price. ;)
As far as production vs custom..... so what. If you like the cue, and like the way it plays..... who cares who made it?
I have a Schon stl 13 with sharp ivory inlays, not cnc'd. He varies designs, and makes a few very cool variations, but he only makes a few.... and you have to be in the right place at the right time.
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