AZ member screwed by Bill Stroud of Josswest
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He is gonna sell your designs as his own.
You guys just don't get it!!!
Bill is busy getting ready for a tournament. There's going to be a big tourney at Red's Billiards in Houston. From what I've gathered, there's going to be some hot shot Filipino player there -goes by the name of Cesar Morales or something like that. I can't imagine a Filipino player could actually be that good at pool but that's just me. Their strokes are way too loopy.
Anyway, if he plays well there he might be able to play in the new professional tour that Camel is sponsoring (PBT). I hope that works out for him.
So as you can see there's a lot going on in professional pool right now. So I can see why it would be so difficult to find the time to finish off this cue....or start it.
....sometimes I hate being right
Bill is busy getting ready for a tournament. There's going to be a big tourney at Red's Billiards in Houston. From what I've gathered, there's going to be some hot shot Filipino player there -goes by the name of Cesar Morales or something like that. I can't imagine a Filipino player could actually be that good at pool but that's just me. Their strokes are way too loopy.
Anyway, if he plays well there he might be able to play in the new professional tour that Camel is sponsoring (PBT). I hope that works out for him.
So as you can see there's a lot going on in professional pool right now. So I can see why it would be so difficult to find the time to finish off this cue....or start it.
....sometimes I hate being right
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IMHO you are are
Bill Don't Post here NO MORE, and apparently CARELESS!
What you think of him.
Bill Don't Post here NO MORE, and apparently CARELESS!
What you think of him.
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'What you think of him' is not a sentence. There is no verb.IMHO you are are
Bill Don't Post here NO MORE, and apparently CARE!
What you think of him.
Go to Chicago and teacher the kids at risk. So they don't end up like me retiring at 50.
Look what two thumbs and a smart phone can create!!!!! The tie in with Bruce's last post was just too good to be true. It is kind of sad though.
Believe the Italian people at first loved Mussolini because he made the trains run on time. Then he did a lot of really, really bad things. Perhaps the same can be said of BS. As I've never met the man, just don't know who is really correct. Truthfully, I don't care!
Lyn
Well said! I agree decidedly.
What a terrible sour note for BS to end his career on. Seems mind boggling that anyone in their right mind would defend his actions?
Reminds me of a saying a older woman I met years ago used to say.
"A thief thinks everyone steals"
Obviously I'm not implying anyone is a thief, only the mindset that someone would have to be in to defend this type of behavior.
Reminds me of a saying a older woman I met years ago used to say.
"A thief thinks everyone steals"
Obviously I'm not implying anyone is a thief, only the mindset that someone would have to be in to defend this type of behavior.
I'm not going to defend Bill's actions. If you ask me, its kind of a sh!tty thing to do. But...
Let's face it. Starting a thread like this every few months, every month, every week, every day, etc. will have little to no impact on the outcome. He may build the cue. He may not. My money is on 'not'. But don't think for one second these threads will do anyone any good. They'll probably have no impact on Bill and they certainly won't have any impact on his legacy or his body of work.
mhaimi will probably not get his JossWest. :frown: Kicken Chicken will probably never get the closure he seems to need
And Bill's legacy will likely not be blemished in ANY way. The guy is a legend in the cuemaking industry. Why? because of his ability to design and to bring those designs to life. Not because he was such an honorable guy. Hell, if I recall correctly, Bill's original Design Your Dream thread was born out of another thread in which Bill flexed his rather large ego, saying that cuemakers do points because they're afraid to try new things, etc., etc.. So at the end of the day, a handful of you will remember Bill as a dick. And Bill likely won't give a damn. Neither will the collectors who set the value for Bill's cues. And his legacy will be based on THAT. Not a contest that never resulted in a cue and left a few guys pissed. So really, these threads serve no purpose except to make a few people look like infants who can't get over their disappointment in a contest they never won in the first place.
Not even Fast Times at Ridgement High lol?
I'm not going to defend Bill's actions. If you ask me, its kind of a sh!tty thing to do. But...
Let's face it. Starting a thread like this every few months, every month, every week, every day, etc. will have little to no impact on the outcome. He may build the cue. He may not. My money is on 'not'. But don't think for one second these threads will do anyone any good. They'll probably have no impact on Bill and they certainly won't have any impact on his legacy or his body of work.
mhaimi will probably not get his JossWest. :frown: Kicken Chicken will probably never get the closure he seems to need
Hell, if I recall correctly, Bill's original Design Your Dream thread was born out of another thread in which Bill flexed his rather large ego, saying that cuemakers do points because they're afraid to try new things, etc., etc.. So at the end of the day, a handful of you will remember Bill as a dick. And Bill likely won't give a damn. Neither will the collectors who set the value for Bill's cues. And his legacy will be based on THAT. Not a contest that never resulted in a cue and left a few guys pissed. So really, these threads serve no purpose except to make a few people look like infants who can't get over their disappointment in a contest they never won in the first place.
Hopefully our society has not degenerated to such a low where the quality of a man's material products are more highly valued than his character.
Lying, cheating, and arrogance are not honorable traits that warrant respect, they are contemptible and rightfully so. IMO.
J
I'm not going to defend Bill's actions. If you ask me, its kind of a sh!tty thing to do. But...
Let's face it. Starting a thread like this every few months, every month, every week, every day, etc. will have little to no impact on the outcome. He may build the cue. He may not. My money is on 'not'. But don't think for one second these threads will do anyone any good. They'll probably have no impact on Bill and they certainly won't have any impact on his legacy or his body of work.
mhaimi will probably not get his JossWest. :frown: Kicken Chicken will probably never get the closure he seems to need
Hell, if I recall correctly, Bill's original Design Your Dream thread was born out of another thread in which Bill flexed his rather large ego, saying that cuemakers do points because they're afraid to try new things, etc., etc.. So at the end of the day, a handful of you will remember Bill as a dick. And Bill likely won't give a damn. Neither will the collectors who set the value for Bill's cues. And his legacy will be based on THAT. Not a contest that never resulted in a cue and left a few guys pissed. So really, these threads serve no purpose except to make a few people look like infants who can't get over their disappointment in a contest they never won in the first place.
I remember a movie preview where the new girlfriend isn't getting excepted well by the family and she says, "I don't care what you guys think of me!" and Rachael McAdam's character says, "Oh Sweetie...Of course you do."
1. There is no way that Bill doesn't care what the entire AZbilliards community thinks of him
2. There is no way that this won't tarnish his reputation
3. These types of threads keep shady people in check here on AZ knowing that if you pull any kind of shenanigans you are going to be exposed. Excellent deterrent.
Banks
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I never thought I'd watch another Tom Cruise movie after his nutjob Scientology membership came to light. Then I figured he's a good actor, I just can't take his reality seriously. I also figured out that I don't listen to musicians for political reasons, though some may have decent messages in their music. If you ignore anything made by(or involving) anybody that's a douche, you're missing out on a lot of great things.
How can you ignore a cast such as:
Sean Penn
Jennifer Jason Leigh
Judge Reinhold
Phoebe Cates
Brian Backer
Robert Romanus
Ray Walston
Forest Whitaker
Nicolas Cage
Anthony Edwards
And memories of..
So, Stroud came up with something great and it turned into a big disappointment. Worse things have happened. It doesn't mean his cues are any worse, it doesn't mean that he's a baby killer. It just means, to me anyways, that if he says he's going to do something, maybe you should just expect him to flake on it. I think we all know people that say they're going to do something and we know better.. no reason to spend another couple hundred hours more talking about it.(I liked responding about the movie more.)
I'm not going to defend Bill's actions. If you ask me, its kind of a sh!tty thing to do. But...
Let's face it. Starting a thread like this every few months, every month, every week, every day, etc. will have little to no impact on the outcome. He may build the cue. He may not. My money is on 'not'. But don't think for one second these threads will do anyone any good. They'll probably have no impact on Bill and they certainly won't have any impact on his legacy or his body of work.
mhaimi will probably not get his JossWest. :frown: Kicken Chicken will probably never get the closure he seems to need
Hell, if I recall correctly, Bill's original Design Your Dream thread was born out of another thread in which Bill flexed his rather large ego, saying that cuemakers do points because they're afraid to try new things, etc., etc.. So at the end of the day, a handful of you will remember Bill as a dick. And Bill likely won't give a damn. Neither will the collectors who set the value for Bill's cues. And his legacy will be based on THAT. Not a contest that never resulted in a cue and left a few guys pissed. So really, these threads serve no purpose except to make a few people look like infants who can't get over their disappointment in a contest they never won in the first place.
Actually as a collector of fine custom cues it has affected me and my opinon so it may not make make a large difference in his customer base but anyone I come in contact with that asks I will just say a man' word is his bond even moreso in buisness
hhmmmm....jeez some people need a life.
First Bill has already sold all of his cues.....the only cues he could hurt the value of are on the secondary market. So he probably doesn't care. Second....to the guy who said he could be in trouble legally. I don't know civil law as well and anything can happen in civil court....hell a man sued his wife because she had surgery to make her look attractive before he met her and they ended up having an ugly child....he sued her over an ugly child and WON!!!!. But my guess is a judge would have non of this and bill could undervalue the price of the cue down to a few hundred dollars. No one can set the value of the cue but the manufacture. You couldn't go into court and say he should pay me 10000 for the cue he didn't build. Then have bill say its worth no more than 500 and you be right. The judge would probably want to see examples of past cues and at that time bill could say I'm retired and my reputation has been tarnished on azbilliards and my cues arn't worth what they once were..:shocked:. You see this civil court thing is a cat and mouse game that is never a sure thing.......:lol:
You also have to prove it was even the real bill stroud posting here...don't tell me thats easy cause to get it into evidence in a court of law is NOT and I repeat NOT easy. Not even in a criminal case let alone a small claims civil court case.
First Bill has already sold all of his cues.....the only cues he could hurt the value of are on the secondary market. So he probably doesn't care. Second....to the guy who said he could be in trouble legally. I don't know civil law as well and anything can happen in civil court....hell a man sued his wife because she had surgery to make her look attractive before he met her and they ended up having an ugly child....he sued her over an ugly child and WON!!!!. But my guess is a judge would have non of this and bill could undervalue the price of the cue down to a few hundred dollars. No one can set the value of the cue but the manufacture. You couldn't go into court and say he should pay me 10000 for the cue he didn't build. Then have bill say its worth no more than 500 and you be right. The judge would probably want to see examples of past cues and at that time bill could say I'm retired and my reputation has been tarnished on azbilliards and my cues arn't worth what they once were..:shocked:. You see this civil court thing is a cat and mouse game that is never a sure thing.......:lol:
You also have to prove it was even the real bill stroud posting here...don't tell me thats easy cause to get it into evidence in a court of law is NOT and I repeat NOT easy. Not even in a criminal case let alone a small claims civil court case.
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He's retired with no real desire to make cues anymore. So he has no customer base.
As for collectors, if you choose to pass on JossWests because of this, good for you. But don't think for one second that all of the other collectors are going to feel the same. Sorry. It just won't happen. And frankly, 95% of the guys who are now saying "I'll never own one" will probably buy one if they find it at a great price.
Just sayin'.
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