I don't have time to read all the Posts but at the beggining there is alot of talk about unity with the UPA, Viking tour, Falcon tour, etc. Has anyone mentioned the PGA tour, Hustlers tour, Nationwide tour, and all the other tours? The way i look at it blackjack is right. All of these tours in golf work with each other and realize thier place. Set up the different tours for a BIG TOUR qualifier. Whats the problem with this?
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fxskater said:
No problem with that, I love the idea. Just search back thru the thread a little and you'll see that we would like to invite all these people to Vegas to try and start doing just that. By the way I forgot to mention the Planet Pool Tour in the previous post. Sorry
Also I have been thinking about how to raise the money we were originally talking about, $50,000 a month. The only problem I have with this idea is that it's so good I'm afraid to post it. So I'm going to email it to Mark Griffin tonight and ask his position on it. Hate to be a tease but I would hate to see OUR idea slip into the wrong hands at this point. I will say it's not a 'I'll get 10 friends" idea but it definately has the potential to raise the money and keep the people paying very happy.
One free entry, in exchange for $12,000? What are you smoking?frankncali said:
Tracy
Joe T
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Trace, that would $1,200 over a 2 year period and maybe a couple of free entries would be a nice incentive. But if it did say $12,000 you would be way right in asking about his smoking preference?RSB-Refugee said:One free entry, in exchange for $12,000? What are you smoking?
Tracy
How about pre-sell videos of the finals and semi finals. Not really pre selling, but everyone that 'Invests' could get videos back. DVD's cost me around $1 each including a case and nice cover, but they sell for $30. If you are talking about televised events the tape is already there. Bring Accu-Stats in. Could your idea work with accu-stats too? or is it just a BCA type thing.
1 problem with this is that if Accu-Stats is not involved, you will be stepping on the toes of people that have helped promote the game for years. Don't wanna hurt a good company like them.
1 problem with this is that if Accu-Stats is not involved, you will be stepping on the toes of people that have helped promote the game for years. Don't wanna hurt a good company like them.
Joe,Joe T said:
I was thinking, you wanted 100 people to each raise $500 per month for two years. When you say $1200, you are referring to the people that the original 100 will enlist. There were people paying a lot more for tickets to last night's basketball game. Like you said, if you had 99, many would jump on as the one hundredth. Are you the "Racking Secrets" guy? PM me if you have any copies for sale.
Thanks,
Tracy
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RSB-Refugee said:
That be me but the bad news is I don't have any more of the original books. The good news is you can find my information in Charley Bonds new book called the "Great Break Shot" Charley is also the inventor of the BreakRak which is one of the best pool inventions I ever came across.
You'll also be able to get Racking Secrets on DVD real soon!
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Joe T - please call me. I tried to send you a private message BUT your box is full?!?
Call at you r convenience - evenings is OK. Let's see if we can get something going here. Will talk to anyone about this - let's see if we can get this going somewhere.
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Joe T - please call me. I tried to send you a private message BUT your box is full?!?
Call at you r convenience - evenings is OK. Let's see if we can get something going here. Will talk to anyone about this - let's see if we can get this going somewhere.
Thanks
Mark Griffin
866-usa-pool (work)
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frankncali said:
#1. I am not Pro UPA. They seed players to avoid tough Match up's. The selection and tour point system tends to send Charlie at the expense of others. I do not know that to be true! But I hear gripping on the board.
#2. They have built a foundation on which to build. They have tried unsuccessfully in part because the players will not sign a contract to allow the UPA to leverage the names and popularity of its superstar players to obtain funding. You can not advertise Efren or Corey Duel on any advertisement. Becuase UPA can't guarantee there attendance and can not allow the use of their image or likeness to promote any event. ( A legal issue)
#3. I do not like the tactics. But, as George Bush says "you are either with us or against us". Additonally, their is a long standing dispute between the UPA and BArry Berhman and there is no need to rehash that issue and in my opinion it very well may be personal.
#4. Not much! They tried to leverage the players and boycott non-conforming tournaments. But, they can not control the actions of others or commit players to events against their will. They do list the tournament on their site and help get it mentioned in the pool publications.
#5. They have stood behind the players and again tried to leverage the players against offenders. The US Open problem a few years ago. As of today, Charlie, Max & other UPA members have not attended in protest of what happened. They could make money or even win the darn thing. But, they are not scab workers.
#6. None that I know of. But, with nothing to offer you can not expect much. They can not guarantee Efren will play. THey can not allow you to use his name image or likeness to promote events. They have very little to negotiate with. There is strength in numbers and quite honestly UPA members are small in number. They can only hope the BCA or APA will bring them under their vale and then they can use those large numbers of members to obtain corporate sponsors. You tell them I have 500 UPA members or you say I have 500,000 members. They are more likely to listen with the 500,000 members then 500.
#7. Absolutely not! The organization was formed on a shoe string budget at first and is very young. People are expecting too much to soon. Additionally, alot of doors were closed by past deeds that pre-date the UPA and go back to the MPBA. Those sponsors won't touch it with a 10 foot pole right now. Unfortunately, they were the most likely candidates because it is known as a tavern sport. So, beer and tobacco were prime marketing prospects and they have nothing to offer because of the players not signing contracts.
I think I will, I checked your website after I asked, if you were he. The teasers looked good. Are you going to take early orders for the DVD?Joe T said:
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I don't like the fact, that Hopkin's S.B.Expo's websight blatantly advertises the Ralf Souquet, Reyes, and Bustamante are all going to be there when in fact they are not.
AND his tournament was UPA sanctioned.
Total false advertising. I know people that specifically went to watch certain people play, that weren't even there!
Superstroke
AND his tournament was UPA sanctioned.
Total false advertising. I know people that specifically went to watch certain people play, that weren't even there!
Superstroke
Superstroke said:
You said it, superstroke, but this kind of misrepresentation is standard fare for UPA. The same three, all worthy of being counted among the greatest nineball players ever, were among about eight players that appeared on the poster advertsising ticket sales for the 2003 World Summit of Pool, yet not one of them showed, all opting for an event in Dubai that very same weekend.
King Kong
Thanks for answering the questions.
I think many people feel as you do in regards to those questions.
I am not a huge fan of the UPA but would love to have a Pro Tour. It would strengthen the amatuer ranks and add a little to the Mini-Tour events.
I dont want to see tours like Fury, Viking and others be thrown to the wayside. This is even with me not competing in them. I think they are good for pool and if players want to play in them then great. I am just not in a position or location that has many.
thanks for the insight
Thanks for answering the questions.
I think many people feel as you do in regards to those questions.
I am not a huge fan of the UPA but would love to have a Pro Tour. It would strengthen the amatuer ranks and add a little to the Mini-Tour events.
I dont want to see tours like Fury, Viking and others be thrown to the wayside. This is even with me not competing in them. I think they are good for pool and if players want to play in them then great. I am just not in a position or location that has many.
thanks for the insight
sjm said:
WHICH was scheduled well in advance of the UPA-sanctioned World Summit of Pool, 2 years in a row.
The Philippino champions who are currently UPA members do not seem to follow the UPA tournament trail in these times. With the lucrative overseas Asian tours, they have many other opportunities available to them.
JAM
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Hey Frank, Mike Janis contacted me last night to share some info of that tour unification project that I had mentioned he was working on 3 years ago. The good news is that he is still working on it and already has several tours agreeing to unite. He's on his way to Vegas right now and asked me not to share any details of the plan as of yet but he's working on it!frankncali said:
Joe T said:
joe, check out the thread i started about the tours, its probably along the lines of what mike has in mind. its a rough idea, but let me know what you think
THANKS
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Joe,Joe T said:
I think that Mike J would be a good person to get on board with. I play all of his Viking Events in the Southeast, and he always has 60-80 players. His tournaments are run smoothly, and he delivers what he promises. Everyone that I know here has nothing but accolades for the Viking Tour. Mike has been at it for a few years now, as well, and can surely give both positives and negatives of forming and running a successful tour.
Mike