I could be wrong on this one but i think it might of been a Bud distributorship.
Maybe Mike will chime in and set the record straight.
Bad Blood 2 Archer Vs Appleton For Free????
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I could be wrong on this one but i think it might of been a Bud distributorship.
Maybe Mike will chime in and set the record straight.
It costs $5k+ to put on one of these matches.
Only 1000-2000 people watch.
Do the math. That's about $3 per person that would be required in advertising funds. What kind of company is willing to invest that kind of money in sponsorship dollars for such a low ROI? It doesn't make any sense.
Bob, I do appreciate what you are saying and I did come on here asking for ideas. maybe someone will come up with a real gem who knows. In your post you said all the numbers and facts be presented to the sponsor. That is the one thing we actually want to stay away from. I have worked a little and have experience with getting major corp sponsorship and at the begining they are all gung ho and excited and then want the demographics and viewership potential and thats where we die everytime. There isn't a big enough audience for them they kinda laugh at us when the biggest event in the US gets at best 2,000 viewers.
Back to the old catch 22 can't get the sponsorship without the viewers and can't get the viewers without the sponsorship. It has to start somewhere and be more exciting that the WPBA that is seen mostly on tv. Mosconi cup is the only one that really brings the excitement to the general viewing public.
Again it has to start somewhere and at ground level (Our industry) has to be involved before the others will follow.
Everyone please watch and take note, when the next big pool movie comes along and the game gets a boost WE ALL need to be using, supporting and loyal to those who were doing this before the popularity came back. I would hat to see people like TAR, CSI and many others who have been doing this when there was no money in it get pushed aside by some big dogs who are going to just cash in on a burst of popularity wit hno real love for the game. And ask them Where were you when things were tough.
Oh man sorry I just got on a rant. I know you all understand what I mean. The pool world has to try and stick together to make things happen cos ain't nobody out there gonna do it for us. Ok thats it I'm done
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The Big 4 sports in the US (Football, Baseball, Basketball and Hockey), yes Bud will pay a couple of millon for a commerical. Thats because they have millions of viewers watching the games. Out the the four major sports, Hockey is on the bottom. Honestly pool is not even a pimple on the a$$ of Hockey as far as number of viewers is concerened. :yikes: Sorry, but the big boy sponors won't be writing big fat checks anytime soon because the majority of people in the US don't give a crap about pool.
I believe if it was advertised right it would bring in the numbers. look at the numbers the M.C. brought in to watch.
Maybe have Earl call out Ralf. that way the Euros would also want to see it.
Where there is a will there is a way.
I give credit to all of you guys who are trying and putting on these events. I just hope it catches on .
Maybe have Earl call out Ralf. that way the Euros would also want to see it.
Where there is a will there is a way.
I give credit to all of you guys who are trying and putting on these events. I just hope it catches on .
What is the most popular pool event in existence today? Everybody probably has their faves. For me, the most popular pool happening is the Mosconi Cup.
What makes the Mosconi Cup so popular? Is it the on-site audience interaction, hearing the cheering and applause? Is it the patriotic spirit of rooting for your hometeam? Is it the fact that the five best players at that time are representing their country and provide good pool to watch? What is it?
Whatever the magic ingredients are that makes the Mosconi Cup attractive, that's what is needed to produce a successful event. It's all in the advertising, the venue, and on-site audience participation. Is there are way to adapt the Mosconi Cup concept to these action matches?
What makes the Mosconi Cup so popular? Is it the on-site audience interaction, hearing the cheering and applause? Is it the patriotic spirit of rooting for your hometeam? Is it the fact that the five best players at that time are representing their country and provide good pool to watch? What is it?
Whatever the magic ingredients are that makes the Mosconi Cup attractive, that's what is needed to produce a successful event. It's all in the advertising, the venue, and on-site audience participation. Is there are way to adapt the Mosconi Cup concept to these action matches?
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Here's the real key IMO- what have the viewers given back to the sponsors? Each event has their hands out, but how many hands come back? Not just PPV buy-ins, but also purchasing goods from vendors who support these events/tours.
You can only come forward with a request for funds so many times. Is it a good deal to spend hundreds of dollars for a couple thousand views? Not really.
I'd love to be corrected!!
You can only come forward with a request for funds so many times. Is it a good deal to spend hundreds of dollars for a couple thousand views? Not really.
I'd love to be corrected!!
It come back to the demographics. Who is the stereotypical pool enthusiast? What are their likes and dislikes? How much money do they spend on pool per annum? How old are they?
If a celebrity suddenly came forth playing pool in mainstream media and set a trend, whereas other celebrities starting playing pool, it is one example of how pool could become "fashionable," thus creating opportunities for pool industry members to enjoy income.
Yeah, that's the ticket. Pool needs to become fashionable. If Justin Bieber started hitting balls, that's all it would take. :thumbup:
Quick! Somebody put a cue stick in that kid's hands!
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falcon_ray
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Based on Bad Blood 1 how about Strickland vs. Putnam? The "bad blood" there sounds pretty well intact at least from Shawn's side.
Ray
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Just a suggestion, Beav. Not a poster child. It's only one of many ideas, but it is a thought that Justin Bieber might be able to attract the youth, especially the ladies!
I personally can't work with Strickland anymore due to his management agreement that makes it impossible to justify the work, effort and up front money needed to do any event like this with Earl. Sorry to say it as I have worked with Earl for a number of years now. So there are other great players out there.
As a minimum, I'd like to see these streaming efforts break even so that we can have more of them in the future. So instead of streaming a Bad Blood match-up for free, my suggestion is to charge $3 PPV which would still be a great deal for the fans.
Also, a lot of people will be on vacation for the Memorial Day holiday weekend so that may not be the best time to have this event.
But you are going under the assumption that 2000 will buy it, which is not the case. That number of 2000 viewers came during a FREE stream. When a stream is PPV you are lucky to get 100-300 viewers. And if you're doing the math, yes, alot are money losers or barely break even.
When a stream is $10-25 PPV, you are lucky to get 100-300 viewers.
Think of the Apple iTunes model, wherein people pay $1 per download for music. When the price is low enough, people become less sensitive to the price and buy it. Perhaps this model can be applied to PPV pool events? If you were to charge a nominal $1-2 PPV, you might to get 1000-2000 pool players to buy it. At this price point, everyone knows that this is a great entertainment value and they are also helping to support our sport.
Good points. However I think the whole issue is TIME. I am pretty damn die hard when it comes to watching online pool and I am never able to watch a whole match due to how long they take and the start times are always late evening. I purchase most events because I am going to be able to watch bits and pieces. Personally having the option to re-watch a match within a few days after would increase participation as folks can watch it around their schedule, not the night owl pool players.
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I am not understanding the math, whether its 100-300 at $25 a pop or 1000-2000 at $3 a pop, the numbers are the same in the end. I am glad live streaming is a hobby for me and not a means to an end because I would be streaming for food and some beer then, lmao!
I have been saying it for a long time that PPV just does not work for pool at this point and time, I hope it turns around for those who have a good deal of time and money invested into it. I think getting 5-10 stream sponsors at $200 a pop for a major challenge match which will attract tens of thousands of viewers would not be too hard and would cover the cost of a stream. I could go anywhere in the country and do a stream for under $1000 but that would be giving up my time for free which I know people making money on the event love but it does not help me to get better equipment or some new kicks.
I know that companies in the pool world pay more for the ads in papers and magazines which have a smaller number of people checking it out then the streams. I highly doubt TAR would get 1000-2000 viewers for a free stream of 2 top players matching up for the cash, more like 10,000-20,000 viewers.
I am doubtful any billiards publication has those kind of numbers so if you own a company then wake up and get on board with those people putting together big events and challenge matches that offer streaming for FREE. Sponsoring a PPV stream makes no sense for a sponsor because of the couple hundred who are watching it.
I have been saying it for a long time that PPV just does not work for pool at this point and time, I hope it turns around for those who have a good deal of time and money invested into it. I think getting 5-10 stream sponsors at $200 a pop for a major challenge match which will attract tens of thousands of viewers would not be too hard and would cover the cost of a stream. I could go anywhere in the country and do a stream for under $1000 but that would be giving up my time for free which I know people making money on the event love but it does not help me to get better equipment or some new kicks.
I know that companies in the pool world pay more for the ads in papers and magazines which have a smaller number of people checking it out then the streams. I highly doubt TAR would get 1000-2000 viewers for a free stream of 2 top players matching up for the cash, more like 10,000-20,000 viewers.
I am doubtful any billiards publication has those kind of numbers so if you own a company then wake up and get on board with those people putting together big events and challenge matches that offer streaming for FREE. Sponsoring a PPV stream makes no sense for a sponsor because of the couple hundred who are watching it.
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There is something to this. The main reason I haven't purchased any PPV matches is available time, as well. I can't necessarily block all that time, so it's tough to justify $25 if I'm only gonna watch a short while.
$5 (a night) or less would make it easier for someone like me to justify jumping in.
Don't misunderstand me. I'm not so cheap that I think $25 is too much for an event like this. I just can't justify that much if I'm likely to only be able to watch for an hour or two.
I wonder how many more folks like me are out there? Enough to attempt the iTunes model? I doubt there would be enough to allow it to break even, sadly.
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Yep, I was coming down here to post the same exact thing. $25 is a lot if you are only going to be able to watch it for a short amount of time. For a couple of bucks I would be getting in on every PPV event no matter how much time I had. I to am a big itunes fan, and I think this model works great.
If only more businesses understood how much more money they could make if it were 1-3 dollars to watch this. It may be cheaper but I would guess 5-10 times more people would buy it, LITERALLY. Time is a big factor and this would help solve it. Plus, how many people that are just getting into pool or just recently signed up for the forum here are going to shell out $25 just like that? Not many I wouldn't think. At this low of a price range I bet they would be fighting to jump on board. Just think there has been 2,289 members on this forum just today. So I bet we could get 3,000 PPV viewers easy if you marketed on the forum correctly at this price for a couple of weeks before hand.