Banking Questions
- Thread starter Ken_4fun
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I grew up playing in the heart of BankLand, but I think we need some more info to provide
a meaningful answer.
Are you concerned about avoiding kisses, holding the cue ball, a rule of thumb for how
small an angle can be held...
Dale
I find that when trying to bank a frozen ball, you really need to make sure to get the correct angle for the bank. Otherwise, you have virtually no chance of avoiding a double kiss.
And I usually shoot them with outside english.
And I usually shoot them with outside english.
Simple answer - You MUST hit the object ball fairly thin when frozen to a rail (like one third ball or less) or you will double kiss it. Outside English opens up the angle and inside English tightens the bank angle. That's all you need to know. Now go practice!
Simple answer - You MUST hit the object ball fairly thin when frozen to a rail (like one third ball or less) or you will double kiss it. Outside English opens up the angle and inside English tightens the bank angle. That's all you need to know. Now go practice!
I agree.
And speed will have a major influence on the angle of the ball coming off the rail. The harder you hit it, the tighter it will come off the rail. I like hitting the balls firmer on banks and using inside English to hold the cue ball so that it doesn't get loose (unless I'm trying to go a long distance for position on the next ball).
Add this...
Add to this. Angle out to the pocket equals angle in to the ball, minus extra thinness for Speed and Spin and a little extra on that for Inside.
Simple answer - You MUST hit the object ball fairly thin when frozen to a rail (like one third ball or less) or you will double kiss it. Outside English opens up the angle and inside English tightens the bank angle. That's all you need to know. Now go practice!
Add to this. Angle out to the pocket equals angle in to the ball, minus extra thinness for Speed and Spin and a little extra on that for Inside.
You can bank hitting nearly full ball even when it's frozen, you just need low outside and a good firm hit. This tends to pin the object ball against the rail momentarily (more of a squeeze than a double kiss) so knowing the rails is a must. This tends to be harder to pull off if the rails are too hard or too soft, they need to be in good shape. You have two factors to compensate for, the first being that the rail is going to give more than with a non frozen or shallow angle bank, soaking up some angle, and the second that the CB and object ball will tend to have slightly prolonged contact while the CB slips off to the side, widening the angle. You just have to make up your mind to hit it firmly with enough spin to get the CB out of the way and from there 'feel' how these competing factors will affect how the object ball is going to spring off the rail...
Simple answer - You MUST hit the object ball fairly thin when frozen to a rail (like one third ball or less) or you will double kiss it. Outside English opens up the angle and inside English tightens the bank angle. That's all you need to know. Now go practice!
Yes, completely agree, that's kind of what I was trying to say.
And here is how to practice.Simple answer - You MUST hit the object ball fairly thin when frozen to a rail (like one third ball or less) or you will double kiss it. Outside English opens up the angle and inside English tightens the bank angle. That's all you need to know. Now go practice!
Freeze the object ball on the first diamond on the long rail for a cross-corner shot. Try various positions of the cue ball starting from near the middle of the end cushion and gradually working the cue ball away from the cushion. You should be able to make the bank when it's a thin cut and eventually kiss when the shot is too straight.
At the boundary where it seems to become impossible, try two things to extend the "makeable range". Hit the ball harder. This allows the object ball to sink into the cushion and let the cue ball get out of the way. Second, use a little inside english which allows you to hit the ball thinner.
With the object ball still on the first diamond, move the cue ball farther up the table to where you can "cross" the ball for the bank. You may need to use english to avoid the kiss. That may be outside or inside english.
Repeat the process with the cue ball at the second, third ... diamonds.
yes...
Do a search for one of my threads on banking and kicking. That method doesn't care if the ball is frozen to the rail or not.
Jaden
Do a search for one of my threads on banking and kicking. That method doesn't care if the ball is frozen to the rail or not.
Jaden
Yes:
HSV B.34 - Bank shot double-kiss zone with balls frozen and close to the rail
NV B.17 - Double-kiss bank shot examples with Tom Ross
And if a double kiss is not a concern (or a desire), the following aiming system is very useful for these types of shots:
NV E.8 - 1/3-More-Than-Twice Bank-Shot Aiming System, from HAPS III
Enjoy,
Dave
If you're at an angle that will give you a double kiss, jack up and shoot a half masse to come across the ball from the other direction.
Thanks for that one Freddy, I'm sure the banks are still open for you up there in heaven.
Thanks for that one Freddy, I'm sure the banks are still open for you up there in heaven.
Good advice throughout the thread, especially from Jay, and Dave.
When confronted with the shot in a match be careful with it. Much like the Siren's song to the Sailor, you can easily be lured into shooting the bank, only to end up double kissing it toward the maws of your opponents pocket.
When confronted with the shot in a match be careful with it. Much like the Siren's song to the Sailor, you can easily be lured into shooting the bank, only to end up double kissing it toward the maws of your opponents pocket.