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Just because I say it, don't make it so. Just a thought.
Just because I say it, don't make it so. Just a thought.
Barry Behrman responds to ABP press release
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I wonder if anybody knows that Barry Behrman provides the beautiful green jackets for each U.S. Open 9-Ball champion.
As well, he gives the wives and girlfriends a free pass to view the week-long tournament.
The last couple days, he gives every single lady who walks in the tournament room a long-stem red rose.
Not only does he give free entry fee to previous U.S. Open 9-Ball champions, but he also offers free entry fee to some legendary or aged players, hoping to give them incentive to come.
I know there's some things I'm forgetting, but those are just a couple of perks that Barry does that I don't see all the time at other events. It's one of many things that makes the U.S. Open 9-Ball Championship unique. :smile:
As well, he gives the wives and girlfriends a free pass to view the week-long tournament.
The last couple days, he gives every single lady who walks in the tournament room a long-stem red rose.
Not only does he give free entry fee to previous U.S. Open 9-Ball champions, but he also offers free entry fee to some legendary or aged players, hoping to give them incentive to come.
I know there's some things I'm forgetting, but those are just a couple of perks that Barry does that I don't see all the time at other events. It's one of many things that makes the U.S. Open 9-Ball Championship unique. :smile:
More like 
Here's the line I like the best:
"In my career, I have seen all men's player organizations come and go, but the U.S. Open is still standing."
Darn tootin'. All it takes is a race to 7 to break up any attempt at a structured men's pool organization. The players aren't savvy enough to run a stable business. Just because you can open your own pool hall doesn't mean you can group together the top 100 or 200 players in the US into a well-oiled business plan.
Does Mark Cuban shoot pool? He would knock some structure into these guys.
"In my career, I have seen all men's player organizations come and go, but the U.S. Open is still standing."
Darn tootin'. All it takes is a race to 7 to break up any attempt at a structured men's pool organization. The players aren't savvy enough to run a stable business. Just because you can open your own pool hall doesn't mean you can group together the top 100 or 200 players in the US into a well-oiled business plan.
Does Mark Cuban shoot pool? He would knock some structure into these guys.
There is being paid and then their is being paid in a timely manner.
Do you wait until your employer has the cash to pay you for the work you just did or do you expect to be paid in a timely manner for that work?
Pro have bills, bills can not wait.
Either have the money up front or don't put on the tourney. Putting on a tourney hoping to make ends meet, and then take forever to pay out is not fair to the players who also have fallen on hard times because of slow to no payouts from those that put on a tourney.
Until the players take a stand like this, nothing is gonna change.
Do your homework first , there has been problems with the payouts for years . Promises don't pay bills . You pay your entry fee,s you expect to be paid if you win . Bottom line ,anything less than that is UNEXCEPTIONABLE
master9baller
Banned
ABP tactics
People don't respond to these type of threats. They players have almost no bargaining power in the current scenario. Promoters will just say play, or don't, or start your own tournament.
When the top players advocate for seeding an event it is only to better their odds of a payday. Just play and see who the best man is that day. They tried to strongarm the regional event here to have seeding and the response was play or don't, as it should be. Why should up and coming players be penalized by seeding. Just leave it to the luck of the draw as it should be.
Kudos to Barry for standing his ground. If anybody thinks you can get rich hosting a tournament go borrow 75K against your house and give it a try.
People don't respond to these type of threats. They players have almost no bargaining power in the current scenario. Promoters will just say play, or don't, or start your own tournament.
When the top players advocate for seeding an event it is only to better their odds of a payday. Just play and see who the best man is that day. They tried to strongarm the regional event here to have seeding and the response was play or don't, as it should be. Why should up and coming players be penalized by seeding. Just leave it to the luck of the draw as it should be.
Kudos to Barry for standing his ground. If anybody thinks you can get rich hosting a tournament go borrow 75K against your house and give it a try.
as reported here: http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/sports/07/07/11/pinoy-cue-artists-join-boycott-us-9-ball-open
“It is with regret that the general professional body of the Association of Billiard Professionals will not be attending the 2011 US Open 9-Ball Championship promoted by Mr. Barry Behrman,” announced ABP General Attorney Dennis Walsh.
Walsh said Behrman still owes prize money to some of the ABP players who have participated in his events.
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Sounds like a discrepancy of money is the issue here.
If any player has not been paid, then I would side on the ABP as a matter of principal.
If what Barry has stated above is true, then I would side with Barry on this issue.
One thing is for sure. Lack of communication will be detrimental to both sides and most importantly the pool community. Everything can be worked out if communication channels are opened up.
I support the player organization in concept, but from the conception it has sounded poorly organized. After a year and a half, the website was still under construction. Johnny and the boys can shoot a ball in a hole, but they need specialized direction from someone experienced in this type of organization and negotiation.
Barry, I hope you have records of all the payouts, because that would solve a multitude of issues immediately.
Sometimes both sides need to compromise for the better good of all parties. I hope wisdom will be shown from here forward.
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Barry obviously has a business model for the Open that requires income from the event itself to cover the payouts at the end of the event.
He has made it work in the past, and in the worst case scenario, he has made it right when he came up short.
He is obviously willing to risk his own money every year to keep an important event going.
I'm sure he would like to have the money secured up front, as it would eliminate his own risk as well as that of the players.
But to punish him for not being fully capitalized up front, given the state of pool and the current economy, and what he has done for pool over his lifetime, is simply unacceptable.
He has made it work in the past, and in the worst case scenario, he has made it right when he came up short.
He is obviously willing to risk his own money every year to keep an important event going.
I'm sure he would like to have the money secured up front, as it would eliminate his own risk as well as that of the players.
But to punish him for not being fully capitalized up front, given the state of pool and the current economy, and what he has done for pool over his lifetime, is simply unacceptable.
Pfft whatever, if you want off the list you must fill out form 1864 section b and have it mailed express post at your expense along with a $200 handling fee to Johnny Archer's home address. Non-US members must pay $300, $400 if you are a champ. This applies for anyone the ABP has decided to put on the list because Johnny Archer one time had a beer with another pro and mentioned in passing it would be sweet to have a player organization and that other player said "uh, yeah, maybe" after which Johnny wrote his name down and added him to "The List".
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If I was one of the players who’s name was put on that list of boycotting and I never agreed to it, I would demand my name taken off it and the list republished at another press release and on the ABP web site immediately.
If it is true that names of players never asked or didn’t give the ABP permission are on the list that are boycotting the US Open it is BS and probably a crime. If this is true the ABP is over as of today. Johnnyt
If it is true that names of players never asked or didn’t give the ABP permission are on the list that are boycotting the US Open it is BS and probably a crime. If this is true the ABP is over as of today. Johnnyt
Barry
Barry, see ya there for the us open,always a pleasure. Rich Ford aka the skunk.
Barry, see ya there for the us open,always a pleasure. Rich Ford aka the skunk.
I wonder if the general attorney, Dennis Walsh, is this person?
http://forums.azbilliards.com/member.php?u=289
Eric >not an attorney
Good find!
sloanst
Registered
This is unfortunate
This is really unfortunate. I believe Barry is really trying to advance the sport of billiards. It is really hard to make a living in this business. On the other hand, ABP is a union trying to protect its members. The players have been burned before, perhaps NOT by Barry, but by other organizers that did not have their ducks in a row or where just out 'n out dishonest.
This economy is putting pressure on both sides. Barry wants to continue the legacy of the US Open and it is admirable. The players want some assurances that the prize money will be there. They have families to protect and support.
I hope that Barry and ABP can arbitrate their differences.
This is just really unfortunate for both parties.
This is really unfortunate. I believe Barry is really trying to advance the sport of billiards. It is really hard to make a living in this business. On the other hand, ABP is a union trying to protect its members. The players have been burned before, perhaps NOT by Barry, but by other organizers that did not have their ducks in a row or where just out 'n out dishonest.
This economy is putting pressure on both sides. Barry wants to continue the legacy of the US Open and it is admirable. The players want some assurances that the prize money will be there. They have families to protect and support.
I hope that Barry and ABP can arbitrate their differences.
This is just really unfortunate for both parties.
The ABP has players listed in its threat letter who aren't agreeing to boycott? Say it ain't so!
IF that's the case, the ABP's nuts just shrank 1 cup size. Name air-barreling isn't cool.
IF that's the case, the ABP's nuts just shrank 1 cup size. Name air-barreling isn't cool.
