BCA Nationals and your experience
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Yes, I was really having a blast! The tables were, indeed, unexpectedly generous to me on this occasion. Great seeing you as always, Robin, and glad we had a couple of opportunities to chat. You were a Hall of Famer in my book long before the BCA figured it out!
BCAPL Nationals
Watchez,
I appreciate your comments.
First the dates: The move to the Rio was not done without serious consideration. Most players and teams are embracing the changes. Those that are not happy about the changes have mostly come around when they understand the facts.
The rates will be attractive (they will be published in July sometime) and there are a lot of advantages for the Rio. Too many people are talking about something without really knowing the facts.
There are a lot of reasons for moving and we expect to have 40 dedicated mini tournament tables + more practice tables. Plus free shuttle to strip.
We are sorry July mights not work out for some - but it is only a week and I honestly feel that any who go from a 6,500 man event to an 800 man event will be VERY disappointed.
Besides, there are other things that might be happening in May that are a better option.
We will be releasing the FACTS in the near future.
2nd: I would like to hear Mark G. words on the Taiwanese situation before I comment.
We will be releasing a statement after we get the office back together - since right now everything is in boxes. Should be about a week or maybe touch longer. I talked with many of the affected parties and told them middle of next week or so. They were OK with that - so I think that all others should be to.
I am not planning on responding to a lot of opionions and suggestions at this time - we have work to do to get back up and running.
So - lets try to keep the speculation to a minimum.
Mark Griffin. CEO
CSI - BCAPL - USAPL
Watchez,
I appreciate your comments.
First the dates: The move to the Rio was not done without serious consideration. Most players and teams are embracing the changes. Those that are not happy about the changes have mostly come around when they understand the facts.
The rates will be attractive (they will be published in July sometime) and there are a lot of advantages for the Rio. Too many people are talking about something without really knowing the facts.
There are a lot of reasons for moving and we expect to have 40 dedicated mini tournament tables + more practice tables. Plus free shuttle to strip.
We are sorry July mights not work out for some - but it is only a week and I honestly feel that any who go from a 6,500 man event to an 800 man event will be VERY disappointed.
Besides, there are other things that might be happening in May that are a better option.
We will be releasing the FACTS in the near future.
2nd: I would like to hear Mark G. words on the Taiwanese situation before I comment.
We will be releasing a statement after we get the office back together - since right now everything is in boxes. Should be about a week or maybe touch longer. I talked with many of the affected parties and told them middle of next week or so. They were OK with that - so I think that all others should be to.
I am not planning on responding to a lot of opionions and suggestions at this time - we have work to do to get back up and running.
So - lets try to keep the speculation to a minimum.
Mark Griffin. CEO
CSI - BCAPL - USAPL
We are still going to do the BCAPL next year, but I must say you will love the ACS tournament. If they played it on Diamonds it would be perfect. The Tropicana is a great Hotel now. Much nicer than either the Riviera or the Rio for that matter.
As a side note about the Rio, it is not advisable to walk to the strip from the hotel. We did it during the day and saw two junkies picking up tinfoil off of the street and putting it in their mouths trying to get the remnant drugs out of the foil.
Robin, you sweetheart you, thanks for showing an old dog a new trick. Being from the old school, jumping was something I felt I couldn't learn. Thanks for the five minute lesson you game me now it's something I can add to my arsenal. Your are truly a great teacher. thanks again, your friend Frank.
Excellent suggestion. Speculation without facts would be, well, irresponsible. Don't you agree?
I'm sure you and your staff did the best you could when the situation presented itself. In fact, I don't know anyone who wouldn't.
Hey all, just wanted to post up a few thoughts and see how others experience was at the BCAPL National Championships these last couple weeks.
I had a pretty good experience again this year, although I should have practiced much more. Those 7 foot Diamonds take some getting used to! I felt that I shot much better than last year, and if it wasn't for some costly mistakes on my end that were completely avoidable (making the 8 ball and scratching twice, etc.) I should have at least placed in the money for the Men's Open.
Didn't see as many pros this time around, maybe it just because I wasn't at the Riviera as much as I have been the last couple times I went.
My highlight was probably the last match I played, even though I lost I was strangely at ease and not worried in the least that I was losing. I was just happy to be playing. I had some good conversation with the gentleman I was playing and his friend (who shot in the Super Seniors I believe) and they both paid me a great compliment for my honesty and integrity.
The first game my opponent scratched on the break. So naturally I have BIH, and I'm in the midst of my practice stroke about to shoot when I barely touch the CB with my tip. I hesitate for a second, waiting for him to call foul, but only silence..... Realizing he hadn't seen what happened, I stood up from the shot, walked over to him and told him that I fouled and it was his BIH. He was a bit surprised I think, and continued on with his turn.
Afterwards, my GF told me that they were speaking very highly of me and my actions. It made me feel pretty good to know that my integrity was appreciated so much.
Anyways, just wanted to share that, sorry for the long winded post lol. I might get flamed for saying this, but I don't care: Winning isn't always everything at the pool table. I'd rather have the respect from my opponent and know that I played them an honest game
It takes a lifetime to earn honor and seconds to give it away...your honesty is its own reward and always refreshing to behold in others!
Don't let that ONE post from that guy get to you. He's only posted once on this forum anyway.
As for the Taiwanese players, it was the talk of the tourney. People were debating on if the top two in the Open should get paid, or if they shouldn't.
Well run event again, Mark! Can't wait til next year
If the top two were allowed to enter the Open division and also allowed to finish the tournament then they should get paid.
The top 50 or maybe top 100 players in the Open are all Advanced to Master players anyway.
The only way I see them not getting paid is if they pulled a Caesar Morales move.
The top 50 or maybe top 100 players in the Open are all Advanced to Master players anyway.
The only way I see them not getting paid is if they pulled a Caesar Morales move.
Too many people are talking about something without really knowing the facts.” Really, Mark?! I’ve listened to your “facts” and they come across more like “spin” than “facts.” I turned in my survey in the past and made it abundantly clear, and I believe I speak for many leagues. My league ends in late March/early April every year. Why would we want to wait around and trudge out to the desert three months later…in JULY!!! A lot of my local players aren’t even playing pool during that time. Your response of “…but it is only a week” smacks of naivete about your own league players. It’s only a week…in JULY! Mid-May dates worked great for every league. That’s why the tourney grew to the proportions it has. It’s the perfect dates that evolved over many years and took into account accommodation of most local league schedules.
I’m happy you’ve convinced other leagues to come out in July. I’d hate to see the BCAPL Nationals go down, but I’m guessing your numbers will be suffering next year at the Rio. We attended the old BCA Nationals when it had 9,000 players (I think it was 2004 before you bought the league system), and I can honestly say size doesn’t have to matter a lot if your main goal is to take a vacation and have a good time.
VNEA Natls at Bally’s is much smaller than BCAPL Natls, but they hold some functions that players enjoy that BCAPL does not match.
While at the BCAPL Nationals, we heard some nice things about the ACS tourney that some players who attended told us. Players really seem to enjoy the event a lot. It may be smaller, but it’s run by the same folks who used to run the BCA Nationals when it was a much larger event than it is now with BCAPL. And you can’t beat ACS’s dates next year – May 11-17! Size doesn’t matter if we can play a lot of pool and have a good time. Good luck with the BCAPL Nationals in July 2013, but our league is bowing out and going with ACS.
You make it seem like your league speaks for others? If the BCAPL heard from the survey responses that May was best, then they would have stayed with May.
Is it not simple to just change your league months if the July date is an issue? Wait, that's not right of me to ask.
I attended the ACS two weeks ago, and the BCAPL last week. With the move to The Rio, the date change has not even bothered me at all for the BCAPL. I'm very confused why this is so bothersome.
Me too. Just add an extra session to this league year to get on track, then run a new schedule that works better for a July trip, no biggie.
Lloyd Nelson
New member
Certainly sounds like it would not be advisable to walk to the strip from the Rio.
Because 102 in May is so much cooler than 107 in July.
All the July dates do is take out the off chance you catch a cool spell in May. I dont play leagues so my opinion doesnt really matter anyway but I would prefer the Rio to the Riv even if they had to play in January....or February...or any other month of the year.
Like anything else...some will like it, some will tolerate it and some will say its the end of the world.
Guys,
Played in both the ACS and BCAPL events. Yes, John Lewis and Gary Benson do run a great event. Smaller but really fun. The Valley tables played just fine. Even with the "weighted" cue ball. Because of the size of the event, making small time adjustments for the players was easy.
How can anyone fault the job Bad Boys does for the BCAPL? Not sure what time you play? Just go on line. At the Riv? Check the computer screens and type your name in. Pay outs? Right on the bottom of your score sheets. Way too many pluses to name.
Next year it is my intent to play in the ACS, VNEA AND BCAPL. If my local team wins the "free" trip I'll be out for the APA event as well. Yes, Vegas is stupid hot in July. As the locals say, "Everywhere you go, there is air conditioning". In reality, how much time do most people really spend outside during the tournaments? If the temperature is such a big problem, why does the APA play in August? Its really, really stupid hot then!!!! They bring more players to Vegas than anyone.
Lyn
Played in both the ACS and BCAPL events. Yes, John Lewis and Gary Benson do run a great event. Smaller but really fun. The Valley tables played just fine. Even with the "weighted" cue ball. Because of the size of the event, making small time adjustments for the players was easy.
How can anyone fault the job Bad Boys does for the BCAPL? Not sure what time you play? Just go on line. At the Riv? Check the computer screens and type your name in. Pay outs? Right on the bottom of your score sheets. Way too many pluses to name.
Next year it is my intent to play in the ACS, VNEA AND BCAPL. If my local team wins the "free" trip I'll be out for the APA event as well. Yes, Vegas is stupid hot in July. As the locals say, "Everywhere you go, there is air conditioning". In reality, how much time do most people really spend outside during the tournaments? If the temperature is such a big problem, why does the APA play in August? Its really, really stupid hot then!!!! They bring more players to Vegas than anyone.
Lyn
My sentiments exactly. :thumbup:
Gee Gonzo, if you really enjoyed playing BCAPL, why not sanction with both leagues? We do at the Las Vegas Cue Club. Then you and your league players can decide which event to play in. Even better, play in both! Each year I play in seven sanctioned BCAPL leagues. Cost me a whole $15. Adding the ACS is another $10. Seems cheap to me!
Lyn