Becoming a good player

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I wanted to start a thread of my own on this rather than hijack the thread that inspired me to write this.

I'm writing this from the perspective of one (me) older player, as mostly a suggestion and hope to broaden the younger players concepts, and mixed in there will be a slight rant of frustration seeing and reading of the degradation of the great game of pool.

Recently a member started a thread asking how long it took to run your first rack of 9 ball.

My first thought after reading this was, geez, the younger players today are really selling themselves short on this wonderful game of pool and setting themselves up for some measure of disappointment by making 9 ball some kind of standard of how well they play.

Somewhere down the road they will be asked to play a game of 1 pocket or straight pool. All that rack smashing and running seven or eight balls, giving themselves a false impression of what a good pool player is, will be crushed. only to be disheartened when they realize they simply are not as good as they thought they were even after running out 9 ball racks.

Wasting time on 9 ball as a standard of your pool accomplishments is like trying to get good at board games by playing checkers when the ultimate challenge that you have not even entertained learning is chess.

If you really want to accomplish something to be proud of, something that would be more the result of skill than luck of the "smash em to hell and back" 9 ball break, I strongly suggest putting that 9 ball crap on the back burner and do this.

Set up a full rack of balls ( they do come 15 object balls to a set ya know) on the table, peel off the top ball and set it up to make that shot and open the remaining rack and then .... run 17 total balls using the rules of straight pool.

Your accomplishment when you achieve it will have been primarily from skill, planning, and execution. Just the opposite of what most likely will be the reason you get through your first 9 ball rack.

Then, as you increase your total run number into the 20's and 30's your focus, concentration and confidence will soar!

Break the 50 ball run and then, go back to that measly crash and burn 9 ball rack. Run though it and realize for yourself how empty the accomplishment was.

Once you become proficient at running multiple racks of straight pool, you will be a player that can play ANY pool game with confidence rather that a 9 ball player who's eyes become opened to how one dimensional that game was to your efforts to learn to be a good player, especially when you are confronted with a 1pocket or straight pool challenge and realize you have been practicing checkers and now someone has asked you to play a game of chess.

Practice the game that will broaden your learning both physically and mentally. That's straight pool, that's my perspective, and that's my sincere effort to let you see the light. :deadhorse:

end of suggestion and rant. :thumbup:
 
But the fact is that the majority of tournaments are 9b. Given that, if one's measure of 'good' is respectable tourney finishes, he better know how to play 9b.

In my area, if you aren't playing 9 or 1b or 1p, you aren't getting played. For me, beating others- perhaps more accurately, performing well when tested- is far more important than running a lot of balls in 14.1.

I've never run 50 balls.

Any ball/ any pocket, how hard can it be? ;)
 
But the fact is that the majority of tournaments are 9b. Given that, if one's measure of 'good' is respectable tourney finishes, he better know how to play 9b.

Yes, sadly my point regarding the degradation of this great game of pool. Believe me, once you run that 50 you'll be good at 9 ball. :thumbup:
 
I agree, 9 ball is pool at its most basic form. I guess that's why it makes it onto the tv more than any other form of pool. My favorite game to play has been 14.1 for some time now, and I've put a lot of hours into it to try and become good. Those hours I put in to 14.1 increased all other games, rotation, 8 ball and snooker. I didn't know it at the time but it forces you to think and concentrate more so than 9 ball ever can. You start to master simple positional shots, soft stun, drawing the CB back 1ft, stun run through, all these shots I class as the backbone of any decent pool players game. I started to realize I don't have to move the CB 4 rails in 9 ball quite so much if I plan the rack correctly. Would I fear playing someone who has run an 8 pack in 9 ball previously or someone who consistently runs 30-50 in 14.1....i would rather play the guy who ran an 8 pack that one time.

My view on 9 ball is you only need a small number of shots in your arsenal to be any good at it, where as to be any good at 14.1 especially a player that can run 100+ you need to have every type of shot in your arsenal, so rather than spending time playing and trying to be a monster at 9 ball, I feel people would be better served devoting more time to try become a monster straight pool player.
 
Yes, sadly my point regarding the degradation of this great game of pool. Believe me, once you run that 50 you'll be good at 9 ball. :thumbup:

I am already good! My mom said so!

I conclude that maslow's hierarchy of needs has made an appearance here: you people with your practice have moved to the enlightenment zone, while I keep collecting acorns.

Bordering on psychologically interesting!
 
I wanted to start a thread of my own on this rather than hijack the thread that inspired me to write this.

I'm writing this from the perspective of one (me) older player, as mostly a suggestion and hope to broaden the younger players concepts, and mixed in there will be a slight rant of frustration seeing and reading of the degradation of the great game of pool.

Recently a member started a thread asking how long it took to run your first rack of 9 ball.

My first thought after reading this was, geez, the younger players today are really selling themselves short on this wonderful game of pool and setting themselves up for some measure of disappointment by making 9 ball some kind of standard of how well they play.

Somewhere down the road they will be asked to play a game of 1 pocket or straight pool. All that rack smashing and running seven or eight balls, giving themselves a false impression of what a good pool player is, will be crushed. only to be disheartened when they realize they simply are not as good as they thought they were even after running out 9 ball racks.

Wasting time on 9 ball as a standard of your pool accomplishments is like trying to get good at board games by playing checkers when the ultimate challenge that you have not even entertained learning is chess.

If you really want to accomplish something to be proud of, something that would be more the result of skill than luck of the "smash em to hell and back" 9 ball break, I strongly suggest putting that 9 ball crap on the back burner and do this.

Set up a full rack of balls ( they do come 15 object balls to a set ya know) on the table, peel off the top ball and set it up to make that shot and open the remaining rack and then .... run 17 total balls using the rules of straight pool.

Your accomplishment when you achieve it will have been primarily from skill, planning, and execution. Just the opposite of what most likely will be the reason you get through your first 9 ball rack.

Then, as you increase your total run number into the 20's and 30's your focus, concentration and confidence will soar!

Break the 50 ball run and then, go back to that measly crash and burn 9 ball rack. Run though it and realize for yourself how empty the accomplishment was.

Once you become proficient at running multiple racks of straight pool, you will be a player that can play ANY pool game with confidence rather that a 9 ball player who's eyes become opened to how one dimensional that game was to your efforts to learn to be a good player, especially when you are confronted with a 1pocket or straight pool challenge and realize you have been practicing checkers and now someone has asked you to play a game of chess.

Practice the game that will broaden your learning both physically and mentally. That's straight pool, that's my perspective, and that's my sincere effort to let you see the light. :deadhorse:

end of suggestion and rant. :thumbup:

Not sure i agree! last time i played 14.1 was in about 15 years, a guy asked me to play him last week, he only plays 14.1, i ran 40 before i practice that day? too many chances to escape bad position play!! IMO i'd say the opposite is true statement. In 9 or 10 B if your position is bad, you are almost done, the chance for recovery is slim at times. If you good at 9B it means your game is good at all speeds, and all english, and a a good 9B player will beat any good 14.1 player with ease, where as the opposite is not true.
 
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I do play Nine Ball to start my practice routine but before it is over I am playing str8 pool. Like you said, after a while I get tired of mindless ball pocketing. I consistently run 15 balls but when I play the break ball I need work.
 
I wanted to start a thread of my own on this rather than hijack the thread that inspired me to write this.

I'm writing this from the perspective of one (me) older player, as mostly a suggestion and hope to broaden the younger players concepts, and mixed in there will be a slight rant of frustration seeing and reading of the degradation of the great game of pool.

Recently a member started a thread asking how long it took to run your first rack of 9 ball.

My first thought after reading this was, geez, the younger players today are really selling themselves short on this wonderful game of pool and setting themselves up for some measure of disappointment by making 9 ball some kind of standard of how well they play.

Somewhere down the road they will be asked to play a game of 1 pocket or straight pool. All that rack smashing and running seven or eight balls, giving themselves a false impression of what a good pool player is, will be crushed. only to be disheartened when they realize they simply are not as good as they thought they were even after running out 9 ball racks.

Wasting time on 9 ball as a standard of your pool accomplishments is like trying to get good at board games by playing checkers when the ultimate challenge that you have not even entertained learning is chess.

If you really want to accomplish something to be proud of, something that would be more the result of skill than luck of the "smash em to hell and back" 9 ball break, I strongly suggest putting that 9 ball crap on the back burner and do this.

Set up a full rack of balls ( they do come 15 object balls to a set ya know) on the table, peel off the top ball and set it up to make that shot and open the remaining rack and then .... run 17 total balls using the rules of straight pool.

Your accomplishment when you achieve it will have been primarily from skill, planning, and execution. Just the opposite of what most likely will be the reason you get through your first 9 ball rack.

Then, as you increase your total run number into the 20's and 30's your focus, concentration and confidence will soar!

Break the 50 ball run and then, go back to that measly crash and burn 9 ball rack. Run though it and realize for yourself how empty the accomplishment was.

Once you become proficient at running multiple racks of straight pool, you will be a player that can play ANY pool game with confidence rather that a 9 ball player who's eyes become opened to how one dimensional that game was to your efforts to learn to be a good player, especially when you are confronted with a 1pocket or straight pool challenge and realize you have been practicing checkers and now someone has asked you to play a game of chess.

Practice the game that will broaden your learning both physically and mentally. That's straight pool, that's my perspective, and that's my sincere effort to let you see the light. :deadhorse:

end of suggestion and rant. :thumbup:

I don't fully agree with you. Each game requires a different set of talents. While straight pool requires quite a bit of planning you rarely have long shots and you rarely have stroke shots. Both of those are required quite often in a game of 9ball.

To be honest the pool game I enjoy the most is 8ball barbox. I know a lot of people will disagree with me but I think being able to consistently run out on a messed up (clustered) barbox requires quite a bit of knowledge and very tight positioning along with clever safety play if needed. It also can require those stroke shots that aren't really existent in straight pool. Now I'm not saying it's harder than straight pool and an open table on a barbox is easy to run but that often is not the case.
 
The obvious answer is: play all kinds of games.
If you want to be good in 9ball - play 10ball!
Straight pool is and always will be the benchmark game and more players should "discover" this game.
9ball is a game with too nuch luck involved to be interesting.
Thats why i love watching the bigfoot 10ball challange.
It really showcases what pool is all about.
 
I think most people misunderstand what true skill is in short rack rotation games. Running out a rack of 9 ball is not an accomplisment. That is PAR. If you don't run out it means you ****ed up somewhere.

The true skill in 9/10 ball lies in winning from spots where you are starting with very little to work with and that is what makes it one of the most interesting and underrated games out there.

Rarely in any game other than rotational pool will you be FORCED to make a difficult, long power shot, there is almost always a better option or a two way in the other games. You will also rarely be forced to play a kick safety in any other game, or at least not one that requires hiding from the ball you are kicking at.
 
I play all the games equally bad

We need more people playing pool period, so I don't give a hoot what game is being played as long as people are playing pool. On a side note, I just won a lot of money in Vegas, so if you want to play some 9 ball, we can make a game if you give up the break, I get bih on the first shot, and the last 9. Have a great day!
 
I agree that practicing 14.1 will help improve your rotation game and 1p skills. when played correctly, you are rarely having to 'open up' your stroke, and move the cb multiple rails for shape as you must do frequently in rotation games. but straight pool will help you recognize pattern play and natural cb paths to make your runouts more consistent. straight pool also teaches you how to better attack clusters and improve your defensive skills.

As others have said, I would have more respect for the 14.1 player running out boring rack after boring rack of 9b because they have learned better position play, than a flashy 9b specialist having to continually 'come with' difficult shots rack after rack.
 
I think becoming a good player is sometimes a matter of perspective and environment. You can be a B player and walk into most bars and be the best player in there, they will all think you are a world class hustler. You can be a B player and compared to pros you are below them just like the drunks you run over at the bars. For me it is more of a personal thing becoming a good player. I am usually working on weaknesses in my game and shots/situations that give me trouble, hopefully over time I have less and less weaknesses.
 
On a Quest

Im on a quest to improve so I just signed up in Wed nite 14-1 league at Red Shoes in Chicago. Denise Walsh posted on FB that he needed a couple of players and I made it clear that I had little experience with 14-1 and he gave me the ol' you do just fine. First week was this past Wednesday and I got drilled 57-125. I LOVED IT. I had a great time and a few of the guys showed me a few must have safeties. Ill be in with the Big dogs like Bobby Hunter, Ike Runnels and Tom Karabatsos. WOW what a learning opportunity. its only $15 a week and that includes table time. Cant find cheeper lessons than that. I wish I had more time to practice but I make the best out of what time I do have.
 
Even if you just have a BB table or just play mostly on them, you can still play 14.1 on them and enjoy it. Also for the players just starting out playing straight pool on a BB you can start off playing 10.1 which will give you more room.

As for me, any game that gives up BIH sucks. All games should be BIH in the kitchen. Top players that make a ball on the break and have a shot at the lowest ball in 9 or 10 ball either RO or start a safety battle where most of the time the one that starts the battle wins the battle and the game. Johnnyt
 
This argument is similar to who is the greatest basketball, baseball or golf player of all time? There isn't a definitive answer.

Each game has its nuances and merits. I like playing Fargo by myself as it has aspects of 14.1 and rotation games. Practicing this has really, really helped my BB 8 ball game. Clearly, learning pin point CB control is a huge benefit. Even the professionals can't hit all those hero shots, they eventually miss if they go to the well too often.
 
Im on a quest to improve so I just signed up in Wed nite 14-1 league at Red Shoes in Chicago. Denise Walsh posted on FB that he needed a couple of players and I made it clear that I had little experience with 14-1 and he gave me the ol' you do just fine. First week was this past Wednesday and I got drilled 57-125. I LOVED IT. I had a great time and a few of the guys showed me a few must have safeties. Ill be in with the Big dogs like Bobby Hunter, Ike Runnels and Tom Karabatsos. WOW what a learning opportunity. its only $15 a week and that includes table time. Cant find cheeper lessons than that. I wish I had more time to practice but I make the best out of what time I do have.
That's a hellofa field. I envy you.
 
I wanted to start a thread of my own on this rather than hijack the thread that inspired me to write this.

I'm writing this from the perspective of one (me) older player, as mostly a suggestion and hope to broaden the younger players concepts, and mixed in there will be a slight rant of frustration seeing and reading of the degradation of the great game of pool.

Recently a member started a thread asking how long it took to run your first rack of 9 ball.

My first thought after reading this was, geez, the younger players today are really selling themselves short on this wonderful game of pool and setting themselves up for some measure of disappointment by making 9 ball some kind of standard of how well they play.

Somewhere down the road they will be asked to play a game of 1 pocket or straight pool. All that rack smashing and running seven or eight balls, giving themselves a false impression of what a good pool player is, will be crushed. only to be disheartened when they realize they simply are not as good as they thought they were even after running out 9 ball racks.

Wasting time on 9 ball as a standard of your pool accomplishments is like trying to get good at board games by playing checkers when the ultimate challenge that you have not even entertained learning is chess.

If you really want to accomplish something to be proud of, something that would be more the result of skill than luck of the "smash em to hell and back" 9 ball break, I strongly suggest putting that 9 ball crap on the back burner and do this.

Set up a full rack of balls ( they do come 15 object balls to a set ya know) on the table, peel off the top ball and set it up to make that shot and open the remaining rack and then .... run 17 total balls using the rules of straight pool.

Your accomplishment when you achieve it will have been primarily from skill, planning, and execution. Just the opposite of what most likely will be the reason you get through your first 9 ball rack.

Then, as you increase your total run number into the 20's and 30's your focus, concentration and confidence will soar!

Break the 50 ball run and then, go back to that measly crash and burn 9 ball rack. Run though it and realize for yourself how empty the accomplishment was.

Once you become proficient at running multiple racks of straight pool, you will be a player that can play ANY pool game with confidence rather that a 9 ball player who's eyes become opened to how one dimensional that game was to your efforts to learn to be a good player, especially when you are confronted with a 1pocket or straight pool challenge and realize you have been practicing checkers and now someone has asked you to play a game of chess.

Practice the game that will broaden your learning both physically and mentally. That's straight pool, that's my perspective, and that's my sincere effort to let you see the light. :deadhorse:

end of suggestion and rant. :thumbup:

Well. I'm the one that started the thread asking about "Your first Break and run in 9 ball"
Know one plays anything other than 9 ball and 8 ball around Savannah. At least not what I have seen. I do however believe it is wrong to put down the cue ball control required to get shape on every shot vs a game that gives you more than one option if you get a little out if shape. How ever I enjoy a good safety match in 9 ball and am sure I would enjoy learning straight pool.
I still want my first break and run.
 
I wanted to start a thread of my own on this rather than hijack the thread that inspired me to write this.

I'm writing this from the perspective of one (me) older player, as mostly a suggestion and hope to broaden the younger players concepts, and mixed in there will be a slight rant of frustration seeing and reading of the degradation of the great game of pool.

Recently a member started a thread asking how long it took to run your first rack of 9 ball.

My first thought after reading this was, geez, the younger players today are really selling themselves short on this wonderful game of pool and setting themselves up for some measure of disappointment by making 9 ball some kind of standard of how well they play.

Somewhere down the road they will be asked to play a game of 1 pocket or straight pool. All that rack smashing and running seven or eight balls, giving themselves a false impression of what a good pool player is, will be crushed. only to be disheartened when they realize they simply are not as good as they thought they were even after running out 9 ball racks.

Wasting time on 9 ball as a standard of your pool accomplishments is like trying to get good at board games by playing checkers when the ultimate challenge that you have not even entertained learning is chess.

If you really want to accomplish something to be proud of, something that would be more the result of skill than luck of the "smash em to hell and back" 9 ball break, I strongly suggest putting that 9 ball crap on the back burner and do this.

Set up a full rack of balls ( they do come 15 object balls to a set ya know) on the table, peel off the top ball and set it up to make that shot and open the remaining rack and then .... run 17 total balls using the rules of straight pool.

Your accomplishment when you achieve it will have been primarily from skill, planning, and execution. Just the opposite of what most likely will be the reason you get through your first 9 ball rack.

Then, as you increase your total run number into the 20's and 30's your focus, concentration and confidence will soar!

Break the 50 ball run and then, go back to that measly crash and burn 9 ball rack. Run though it and realize for yourself how empty the accomplishment was.

Once you become proficient at running multiple racks of straight pool, you will be a player that can play ANY pool game with confidence rather that a 9 ball player who's eyes become opened to how one dimensional that game was to your efforts to learn to be a good player, especially when you are confronted with a 1pocket or straight pool challenge and realize you have been practicing checkers and now someone has asked you to play a game of chess.

Practice the game that will broaden your learning both physically and mentally. That's straight pool, that's my perspective, and that's my sincere effort to let you see the light. :deadhorse:

end of suggestion and rant.
I love straight pool. I practice it often and try to match up whenever possible. But I find there to be a central unifying theme to all of the cue games that I play. And that central theme is to control and dominate the cue ball at all times. It has become the only thing that I think about. I no longer guage my game by anything else except for how well I controlled the cue ball.
 
14.1 is dead, never to return.

Well. I'm the one that started the thread asking about "Your first Break and run in 9 ball"
Know one plays anything other than 9 ball and 8 ball around Savannah. At least not what I have seen. I do however believe it is wrong to put down the cue ball control required to get shape on every shot vs a game that gives you more than one option if you get a little out if shape. How ever I enjoy a good safety match in 9 ball and am sure I would enjoy learning straight pool.
I still want my first break and run.

For all the talk about how bad 9 ball and 10 Ball are, that's what fuels Pool. Nobody wants to sit and watch 14.1 on TV, that's why its not on TV. Its like Big Band music, its a thing of the past. We should all get behind the modern games and promote them at every opportunity.

I am a poor 14.1 player, my high run is 47, but even if I could hit the threshold for decent play, 70, I still would rather play One Pocket, 10 Ball or 8 Ball or 9 Ball, theres just more action in them.
 
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