best bar box B player

my guess is that the op thinks that A players are professional level, and then go down. For most people they don't rank players that way.

I go pro, shortstop, strong A, A, then into the b's. If a b player can give up the last 5 (and according to someone in this thread they can) then I wouldn't call them a B player.
 
cleary said:
Who is the greatest waitress at Applebee's?
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That's easy!

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Oh, I thought you said the hottest.
 
B player = 5000k winner = Shortstop, where ?

I need to know where (down south apparently) B players are shortstop speed. I need to make sure to stay away from there.

Here's how I count it,
Pro
Open= Shortstop
A
B
C

Very little seperates A players and Open players in any given game (sport), 1 or 2 skills are just not as good as the rest yet, but if their playing good its really hard to see the diferance.

Best B player in the world, Well you could start by going to the Philippines, it would take your life time to play them all but that would be a good place to start your search.
 
Mowem down said:
I need to know where (down south apparently) B players are shortstop speed. I need to make sure to stay away from there.
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No doubt!
The lowest class at the MN state tournaments is B, so that means everyone in MN is at least a 'B' player.:wink:
 
Rank

There should be one ranking above Pro. Maybe they should have a ranking
OF A, B,then maybe Qualifier.
 
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its got to be that silver tongued Gary Abood

houmatroy said:
I'll play Gary even if anybody wants to stake him...lol
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even on what? the total gym? or in a mud wrestling contest? I think abood's to wiry for you brother....lol j/k how you been brother, shoot me a pm I was maybe gonna stop by on monday evening drink a few say hello hit a ball or two b/f I got on the chopper for work on tues


NOW THE POINT,

What Robley "AZ-HORSE of the Year 2009" Fontenot is trying to say, is who is the best NON-PRO bar box player in Louisiana?

He was listing say pro speed like say SCOTTIE T as an "A" just like an A is the best grade you can get in school 100/100.

Everyone below that pay grade is open for debate. So "B" players on down, it was just a bad choice of rating system he used, it would have been better for you to say "who's the best non pro bar box player in Louisiana", so lets just not worry about little details like that, and just answer his question.

The Best Non-Pro Bar-Box player in 9 ball in Louisiana I would definately have to say to my knowledge is Gary Abood. No one north of I-10 plays close to his speed, I don't include Jamie Farrell in the category mostly because I've never seen him play on the 7', and I think he is the most fully complete player in the state under Scottie T (even tho scottie don't live here) and consider his Overall speed professional caliber(very solid at any game period)

Ricky Poo Poo can't beat Abood, Chris Miller plays at least 2 balls weaker give or take a piece depending on the day. Mike Black doesn't win either, and close to the same as Miller, but gaining more of an edge over chris b/c of his ability to move pretty well.(whats the line on Eddie Brown...do you know troy??) Fish-hook still plays the same as he did 6yrs ago, so thats a no go and he needs weight from everyone above. There aint really much for a choice for players in this except for Louisiana's original authentic SULTAN ABOOD lol

Now that's just 9 ball, I'm sure gary wins at the 8 ball too, maybe the only person giving him trouble here is mike black who I know plays a little one hole so that should make his 8 ball patterns sharp(least I would like to think) I'll say this, I think Gary's better b/c he's the more complete player all around than all the others, not b/c he is such a better ball pocketer necessarily.

The real situations are always found on the big table tho, any dink can run out 9 ball on the box. At the white diam. tourney (SUPER GREAT EVENT) I find it turns into a who can make a ball on the break contest, I've seen many matches lost from some better players to worse ones b/c nothing fell on the break. I saw quite a many matches go the way of the player who lost the toss, and the opponent dry breaks and the latter runs out, saw quite a few like this end 6-7. Fact is ALOT of players can beat alot of other much better players on a bar box especially if the break is going their way, its the MINI-Equalizer lol.

I don't think you swill see true speed, or fully realize a players true skill level till they get on the big track. I also think 8 ball is a better show of a players true ability on a bar box over 9 ball. You have more congestion, more options and choices and you have to move furniture, break out balls, play safe just as good as in 9 (maybe more so)

Here's a good example, Gary played Shane McMinn at the Galveston Amateur 8 ball, and Shane double dipped Gary to win the title. First off lets just say that Gary and Shane are of equal shootin skill just for easiness sake. Shane is a very very good one-pocket player, and can handily out move Gary because of this. Thats why Shane won the 8 ball, not cuz he shot better, Gary was outclassed by a more complete player, Shane beat him with better choices, cuz neither one of them miss alot as you all know.

Anyways I'm rambling and jumping to different topics, Gary's the best non pro bar box player here. Chris, Ricky, Fishhook, Mike B, even youself Robley( maybe about a dozen players -/+) can beat Gary in those short races to 7 (9ball) if things fall into place... but your not going to see Gary locking everyone out of those small sets like that, he will just outclass the townsfolk and win most matches by a safe margin, give him some ground to cover tho and you got a much bigger problem.

Grey Ghost
 
cleary said:
Who is the greatest waitress at Applebee's?

That question is easier to answer than the best bar box B player in the world.

By the way, I think the best description of B vs. A player was this:
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I wrote this in relation to 9ball, not sure how applicable it is to barbox 8ball. I'd have to think about it a bit.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
I wrote this in relation to 9ball, not sure how applicable it is to barbox 8ball. I'd have to think about it a bit.
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Im not sure they are even talking about 8 ball, but regardless, I was simply saying that a B player is a dime a dozen and to try to find, "the best b player in the world" is a little strange and impossible.

Of course, IM taking it that B player means something different in the south. Seems they say B player like a B list actor.. meaning non pro. Not a very effective ranking system, but whatever.
 
> I'm not sure how some of you will feel about this,but I heard Shannon Daulton refer to Larry Nevel as a B player once :eek:,but Shannon was also woofing at some of Larry's crew at the time too. Tommy D.
 
robleyf7 said:
thats still ameture tournament

so u saying if he wins an ameture tournament that pays 5k for second makes him A player?
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No, but I think you and maybe your area are in the vast minority if you classify Gary Abood as a B player.

Gary Abood has won open tournaments. When you win an open tournament beating Ronnie Wiseman, Jeremy Jones, Larry Nevel, etc., you are not a B player, bar box or otherwise.

Fred <~~~ can see this is going to be another one of those beautiful communication threads
 
Cornerman said:
No, but I think you and maybe your area are in the vast minority if you classify Gary Abood as a B player.

Gary Abood has won open tournaments. When you win an open tournament beating Ronnie Wiseman, Jeremy Jones, Larry Nevel, etc., you are not a B player, bar box or otherwise.

Fred <~~~ can see this is going to be another one of those beautiful communication threads
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I agree, Gary is a "OPEN" level playa without question.

Frankie
 
Celtic said:
Your definition and mine of a "B ranked player" are very different.[/QUOTE

Gary has been playing good pool for many years. Definitely not what I would call a B player.
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If you ranked like this:

Pro
A+++
A++
A+
A
B+
B

I would rank Gary as an A++ overall.

I agree with Greyghost though, If Robley meant non-pro, Gary Would prolly be the guy in La.

Ray
 
For sure he is a really strong player, but I put him in the super strong short stop level. Gary plays touring pro speed on the bar box, but not on the 9ft. Thats not a knock tho, cuz i think he's a wonderful player, just being honest. An your talking about a ball difference an it may only be a fraction of a ball diff, but as we all know that can mean much.

An stop bashing the "B" player quote, we all know exactly what our horse was trying to say. Just cuz he don't put it politically pool correct don't mean he's stupid or something. Was just trying to ask the question the best way he knew how. Its not like every town in the universe doesn't have their own ranking system. Oh your an A+ here but over there your a 7.5, its ridiculous. No wonder people can never really tell how good or bad they shoot, they are always comparing apples and oranges.

Some are the big fish in the little watering hole, they get pumped up and then shot down out the sky because their illusions are taken away when they go somewhere else and find out they are just a guppy. Fact is a letter or a number don't and will never really tell you the story about someones game, its a B.S. system to make weaker players feel like winners when they play league. Oh yay I just went from a 7 to an 8 an you did it by running an extra ball so you made it your an 8 now WOO HOO, don't judge your game by your speed judge your game by how you know you play when you step up, always be realistic.

Rating speeds is like getting colored belts in karate, they are only good to keep your drawers falling off. Regardless of your speed where you are, know how you stack up for real compared to everyone, not just Jimbo at the corner bar.


there are no limits to how good someone can play ratings don't stop at 7, 9, or 10 or 15 it goes forever, and each aspect of the game has a level also. Just cuz your a great 9 ball player don't mean you can play great pool, maybe your lost playing 8 ball and act like its 9 ball. Its arbitrary and different for everyone.

if you want speed go take a pill lol,
Grey Ghost
 
Bigtruck said:
If you ranked like this:

Pro
A+++
A++
A+
A
B+
B

I would rank Gary as an A++ overall.

I agree with Greyghost though, If Robley meant non-pro, Gary Would prolly be the guy in La.

Ray
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Thats well put ray, if i do use a system to rank folks then thats one of the top two. And I say the same Gary would be a A++ as for that ranking system, you go one step further you have guys like Shane Mcminn at A+++ because he has a better ALL-AROUND game then you jump to pro which is where Gabe Owens is at. But even at the pro levels you see gaps, Gabe will tell you 9 ball is his weakest game (unless you watched him with us playing 3 ball a few years back he never made a ball on the break lol), and One Pocket is his best.

Keeb-
 
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