Best instructors in pool?

[randyg]

Randy, no hard feelings but, you told me in Atlanta that the cue ball does
not transfer english to the object ball.
I said I could not believe that you would believe that.

You said that you have the biggest pool school and,your people have
studied the cue ball and, object ball. The english does not transfer.

You also told me I should come and take a lesson. I could learn
how it doesn't happen. I'm not saying your not a good instructor.

You have been around pool a long time. I truly hope this is my
miss understanding.

Looks like I got some blood pressure up on this thread!!!!!!!!

Now the story is straight!!!!

English will and always will transfer to the object ball.

Hope we're still friends!!! (LOL)

Mark Gregory

Hi Mark

No problem here. I'm having fun with this post.
My problem is with the consistancy, reliability,
dependability and repeatablity of spin induced throw or object ball induced spin.

I know I can create spin on an object ball but when?

Does it happen 100% of the time?
Under what conditions might it not happen at all?
Would you bet your tournament (cash) on one shot?
Let's ask Dr. Dave how many videos he made until he got what he needed.
Let's ask Bob Jewett what the percentage of happening is?

This is a great learning thread, let's keep it alive.

Dr. Dave, Bob, are you there?

The S in SPF doesn't stand for spin....SPF=randyg

 

[DoomCue]

I am really surprised at how this discussion is progressing.

the spin transfer is minimal??

I have a drill I practice frequently...

cue ball on the head spot, object ball on the center spot

My aim point is dead straight to the center diamond on the foot rail

by varying the english on the cueball and if I am in good stroke I can sink the object ball in ANY of the six pockets.. I shoot them in rotation around the table.

if the transfered spin to the object ball is minimal or non existent my drill is impossible... but I know its possible because I have done it.. twice a week for over a year..


edit: beginners should start by using just the cue ball and spinning it into all six pockets. once you can do that then add the OB

And changing contact points has nothing to do with it, right? It's all spin transfer?

-djb

 

[randyg]

Well stated Doomcue!!!!....SPF=randyg

 

[Flex]

Boy am I glad that first instructor who told me that throw doesn't exist was wrong. Imagine if I'd really believed him.

Flex

 

[dr_dave]

Hi Mark

No problem here. I'm having fun with this post.
My problem is with the consistancy, reliability,
dependability and repeatablity of spin induced throw or object ball induced spin.

I know I can create spin on an object ball but when?

Does it happen 100% of the time?

Yes, except for a straight-on (zero cut angle) shot with absolutely no English, and for a cut shot with exactly "gearing" outside English (see my January '07 article for more info).

Under what conditions might it not happen at all?

It always happens, except with the exceptions mentioned above. Now, if the balls are new, clean, and polished (or wiped with Silicone spray), there will be less throw and spin transfer. With typical bar and pool hall conditions, throw and spin transfer can be significant. Also, iff there happens to be a chalk mark at the point of contact of the cue ball and object ball (under any conditions), then cling occurs, creating even more throw and spin transfer than normal.

Would you bet your tournament (cash) on one shot?

That depends on the shot and the alternatives available.

Let's ask Dr. Dave how many videos he made until he got what he needed.

If you cite a specific video, I can try to remember. HSV A.66 and HSV A.143-A.146 were all done on the first "take." In NV A.21, I practiced the shot some before the video and then made it on the first "take." I also include many misses in the video showing how speed, cue elevation, and amount of English affect the shot. Honestly, I wouldn't want to risk a match on a shot like this unless their was a two-way component (i.e., I could leave the CB safe if I missed).

Regards,
Dave

 

[JoeyA]

Pool Lessons with Dr. Dave

Yes, except for a straight-on (zero cut angle) shot with absolutely no English, and for a cut shot with exactly "gearing" outside English (see my January '07 article for more info).

It always happens, except with the exceptions mentioned above. Now, if the balls are new, clean, and polished (or wiped with Silicone spray), there will be less throw and spin transfer. With typical bar and pool hall conditions, throw and spin transfer can be significant. Also, iff there happens to be a chalk mark at the point of contact of the cue ball and object ball (under any conditions), then cling occurs, creating even more throw and spin transfer than normal.

That depends on the shot and the alternatives available.

If you cite a specific video, I can try to remember. HSV A.66 and HSV A.143-A.146 were all done on the first "take." In NV A.21, I practiced the shot some before the video and then made it on the first "take." I also include many misses in the video showing how speed, cue elevation, and amount of English affect the shot. Honestly, I wouldn't want to risk a match on a shot like this unless their was a two-way component (i.e., I could leave the CB safe if I missed).

Regards,
Dave

I have to add Dr. Dave to MY list of Best Instructors. I bet spending some time with him would be money well spent.

So Dr. Dave: Do you travel much?

JoeyA

 

[Williebetmore]

I have to add Dr. Dave to MY list of Best Instructors. I bet spending some time with him would be money well spent.

So Dr. Dave: Do you travel much?

JoeyA

Joey,
Not to give away any secrets, but do you know that Dr. Dave has a book (that kicks a$$)?????? I think that's like 30 lessons from the doctor; a "must-have" book for any serious student of the game.

 

[dr_dave]

time and money well spent

I have to add Dr. Dave to MY list of Best Instructors. I bet spending some time with him would be money well spent.

That is very kind of you.

So Dr. Dave: Do you travel much?

I do travel quite a bit, but usually not to give pool lessons ... I leave that to the full-time pool-instructor professionals. I do give lessons and teach a local (Fort Collins) pool course, but only on a part-time basis.

I think time and money spent with any decent instructor is time and money well spent. There is something to learn from everybody, and a good instructor can spot and correct things in one's technique and game, and can provide lots of individualized advice on how to improve. This is something books and videos (and pros who don't know how to teach) can't do.

I've been fortunate to be able to spend time and communicate with many great instructors, and I have learned a lot from them all.

Several years ago, Randy invited me down to his Pool School in Dallas and I was very impressed with his school and teaching methods.

I also recently spent 4 days with Jerry Briesath in Madison. Jerry is a wonderful man and an amazing one-on-one instructor. He has lots of knowledge to share and lots of drills to help students develop important skills and knowledge.

Regards,
Dave

 

[JoeyA]

Dr. Dave's book

Joey,
Not to give away any secrets, but do you know that Dr. Dave has a book (that kicks a$$)?????? I think that's like 30 lessons from the doctor; a "must-have" book for any serious student of the game.

Williebetmore,
Dr. Dave's a$$ kicking book must be like some of those cues that hit a ton.

Where can someone purchase one of his books and what is the name of the book? Isn't there also a DVD or a CD out by Dr. Dave?

JoeyA

 

[Blackjack]

Williebetmore,
Dr. Dave's a$$ kicking book must be like some of those cues that hit a ton.

Where can someone purchase one of his books and what is the name of the book? Isn't there also a DVD or a CD out by Dr. Dave?

JoeyA

The DVD's are available at Dr. Dave's website. The DVD's are very informative and the super slow-mo is an awesome training tool for any instructor to have. I highly recommended that you get yourself a copy Joey.

 

[dr_dave]

Dr. Dave's instructional products

Thanks to everybody for the nice words about my instructional products. They are available here:

http://dr-dave-billiards.com/
​

Regards,
Dave

The DVD's are available at Dr. Dave's website. The DVD's are very informative and the super slow-mo is an awesome training tool for any instructor to have. I highly recommended that you get yourself a copy Joey.

 

[perfectpocketz]

Yes, except for a straight-on (zero cut angle) shot with absolutely no English, and for a cut shot with exactly "gearing" outside English (see my January '07 article for more info).

It always happens, except with the exceptions mentioned above. Now, if the balls are new, clean, and polished (or wiped with Silicone spray), there will be less throw and spin transfer. With typical bar and pool hall conditions, throw and spin transfer can be significant. Also, iff there happens to be a chalk mark at the point of contact of the cue ball and object ball (under any conditions), then cling occurs, creating even more throw and spin transfer than normal.

That depends on the shot and the alternatives available.

If you cite a specific video, I can try to remember. HSV A.66 and HSV A.143-A.146 were all done on the first "take." In NV A.21, I practiced the shot some before the video and then made it on the first "take." I also include many misses in the video showing how speed, cue elevation, and amount of English affect the shot. Honestly, I wouldn't want to risk a match on a shot like this unless their was a two-way component (i.e., I could leave the CB safe if I missed).

Regards,
Dave

Dr. dave, I,m sorry I have never heard of you before this question of
mine was so well looked at by some players or instructors.

It's really great to hear some good information from the research of others and,it seems we are all on the right track together.

Trust me I'm not hear to upset or offend any of you!!!!!

I just knew the transfer is on 99.9% of most shots.

Randy is a friend of mine and I hope to keep things that way.

I just won and lost a lot of cash over the years because of throw on the
the ball!!!

Also, I have played a lot of champions and we all agree with your
answers about everything that you have stated.

Dave, it appears you've gotten some new found interest over this thread.

GOOD LUCK
Mark Gregory

 

[Bob Jewett]

...
Let's ask Bob Jewett what the percentage of happening is?
...

Randy, if you're really interested in learning about this, and perhaps changing your view, I suggest you try reading the columns I've written about it. If you have questions about the columns, please let me know.

You do not know what you do not know.
-- Mohandas (later Mahatma) Ghandi in a South African court in 1912

 

[randyg]

Randy, if you're really interested in learning about this, and perhaps changing your view, I suggest you try reading the columns I've written about it. If you have questions about the columns, please let me know.

You do not know what you do not know.
-- Mohandas (later Mahatma) Ghandi in a South African court in 1912

Hi Bob

I follow almost all of your columns and enjoy them throughly. You are very articulate. Please continue to write.

I have never stated that I believe spin doesn't transfer. I always state that it's somewhat unpredictable and not to trust the same result from one shot to another. Same shot, five different conditions, varied results.

I never trust a human stroke doing a test. At least with the correct machine we can have as measureable result.

Thanks for helping this forum (including me) understand the issues that are presented....SPF=randyg

 

[JoeyInCali]

No Colliding Spheres Robert M. recommendations?