Best Money/Road player
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John Schmidt?
AceHigh said:
Howdy,
(1) ``Slim Carney``
(2)``Honest John`` AKA ``Gainsville John`` This guy thinks that I can`t play a lick and is prepared to give any thing I want
(3) ``Smoky``
Please tell them I referred u and they will give me my commission (LOL).
Good Luck
Vagabond.
AceHigh said:
Nobody knows what his name is or what he looks like, that's why he is the best...
The best money road player has got to be one who can match up and handicap well, which requires knowledge and expertise in all games of pocket billiards. This is the most important trait (IMO).
And it goes without saying, it does help to have the gift of gab, or "woofing" as it is sometimes called, to get it going. Action doesn't drop out of the sky without a little barkfest. This is where the human behavior becomes interesting.
One necessary requirement to be a big money player is to have, well, lots of money, and when without, the empty-pocketed smart road player will seek funds through other means, i.e., stakehorse, form a backers committee, seek a partner whose pockets are deeper than his or hers. A good road player has to be creative when conjuring up action and does need to adapt his promotional strategies to suit the setting. Most of the very high-stakes action aren't self-funded, for lack of a better term.
I know who my favorite "best money road player" is, but I think I've got to throw in a few others. The biggest money game I ever heard of was with some guy named Rosey from Detroit who used to enjoy games of high stakes.
Other astute and worthy mentions go to Weenie Beanie, Louie Roberts, Ronnie Allen, Cornbread Red, Larry Lisciotti, Wade Crane, Jimmy Mataya, and Buddy Hall. Two areas of the country that used to rock in action in days gone by were Detroit and New Orleans, with a few pockets in California and Texas.
There's a few young gun players in my area who aren't afraid to bet it up, but there's nowhere near the action today that there was 20-30 years ago. Best handicapping road player today (IMO) is Danny Basavich. Whatever he's betting on, go with him.
This is why the Derby City Classic is such a nice tradition for players of all ages. Hope there will be more updates, like who's staying in action non-stop. They will award the St. Louis Louie Roberts Award to the most entertaining player, free entries for life to all DCC's. The first year, Alex Papulayan won it, and last year North Carolinean Tony Watson got the honors.
JAM
And it goes without saying, it does help to have the gift of gab, or "woofing" as it is sometimes called, to get it going. Action doesn't drop out of the sky without a little barkfest. This is where the human behavior becomes interesting.
One necessary requirement to be a big money player is to have, well, lots of money, and when without, the empty-pocketed smart road player will seek funds through other means, i.e., stakehorse, form a backers committee, seek a partner whose pockets are deeper than his or hers. A good road player has to be creative when conjuring up action and does need to adapt his promotional strategies to suit the setting. Most of the very high-stakes action aren't self-funded, for lack of a better term.
I know who my favorite "best money road player" is, but I think I've got to throw in a few others. The biggest money game I ever heard of was with some guy named Rosey from Detroit who used to enjoy games of high stakes.
Other astute and worthy mentions go to Weenie Beanie, Louie Roberts, Ronnie Allen, Cornbread Red, Larry Lisciotti, Wade Crane, Jimmy Mataya, and Buddy Hall. Two areas of the country that used to rock in action in days gone by were Detroit and New Orleans, with a few pockets in California and Texas.
There's a few young gun players in my area who aren't afraid to bet it up, but there's nowhere near the action today that there was 20-30 years ago. Best handicapping road player today (IMO) is Danny Basavich. Whatever he's betting on, go with him.
This is why the Derby City Classic is such a nice tradition for players of all ages. Hope there will be more updates, like who's staying in action non-stop. They will award the St. Louis Louie Roberts Award to the most entertaining player, free entries for life to all DCC's. The first year, Alex Papulayan won it, and last year North Carolinean Tony Watson got the honors.
JAM
One name that comes to mind is Luis Viera. I heard he was a pretty good money player. I heard a story (don't know if it's true) that he came into a pool hall to play this guy one game for a large sum of money. Luis broke and ran the rack one-handed jacked up without even taking his jacket off, and then he just took the money and left.
drivermaker
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JAM said:
Your post above should be etched in stone because this is the sheer essence of it all. It couldn't have been said better.
If you had one of the top games in the country and just shot lights out everyday, that would make you just about unbeatable in combination with the above But, you DON'T have to be the best player in the world or even in any number of different rooms if you're an expert "woofer" with an eye to assess talent realistically and make accurate comparisons.
Unfortunately, most players just don't get it and hate that part of it the most, just as they hate negotiating for a car or a better price on anything.
You have to LOVE and EMBRACE that aspect of playing for high stakes and strive to be the best, otherwise you CAN be the best player in a room and get busted in no time flat!
shortstroke
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the best road player is the one that gets the cash on a consistent basis. a lot of times the "best" player wakes up on empty. as JAM stated there is way more to playing on the road than being a good shooter. get broke in a strange town where you don't know anyone (as a lot of us have) maybe 500 miles from home and you find out it ain't easy. some pool stories make it seem like if you play pretty good you just hop in the car and go from town to town taking up collections but it seldom turns out that way.AceHigh said:
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In FL, I like John Schmidt. Yes, he is a pro but I like his action playing anything. Don't know about the whole country but I know the greatest road team in history, Keith McCready and Ronnie Allen. Just pick you a game. Best bar table player ever and the best one pocket player ever.
SJM, you have a great point, sir. Yes, I believe Keith and Ronnie made more money than Larry and Mike on the road. Keith related a story about a time in CA when Larry and Mike tried matching up with him on the bar box and neither Larry or Mike cared for it at all, both getting weight. I watched Keith drill Mike in Baton Rouge on the big table, just after Mike had won 6 or 7 tournaments in a row. Not saying, Keith was the favorite, just that he had/has more heart than, Mike or Larry.
As far as pure money making ability, AKA, Hustle, Larry and Mike had no personality for it. Larry was as quiet as a mouse and Mike didn't talk much more. How in the hell can you shut Keith and Ronnie up, even now, LOL?
As far as playing ability in general, yea, Larry and Mike were very close.
As far as pure money making ability, AKA, Hustle, Larry and Mike had no personality for it. Larry was as quiet as a mouse and Mike didn't talk much more. How in the hell can you shut Keith and Ronnie up, even now, LOL?
As far as playing ability in general, yea, Larry and Mike were very close.
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My money is on a few of the all-time greats, Wimpy and Don Willis. Here is a quote from Hustler Days about the duo.... after Willis who always played first took the mark for all he was going to lose to him, he would say well buddy maybe you would have better luck with my friend...
"And then Wimpy Lassiter, one of the greatest pool players the world has ever seen, would step from his high stool, unscrew his cue, and go to work.
Lawdy.
"And then Wimpy Lassiter, one of the greatest pool players the world has ever seen, would step from his high stool, unscrew his cue, and go to work.
Lawdy.
UJ Puckett was the greatest in history. I was on the road with Louie Roberts, and believe me, disaster lingered at every turn with Louie. Louie's road trips always ended with his road partner wanting to kill him. So Louie eliminates Louie from the equation. Keith is a great road player. The fact that he has been able to maintain that, despite his notoriety is incredible. I also like Leil Gay of Cleveland. Incredible player. As for Sigel, he was a better tournament player than a road player. I say that from heads up experience. When it comes to the true Road Warriors, they tend to be hungrier, meaner, and better in high stakes situations. Also, if we discuss road players, lets not forget the Yard Dogs, or the guys that defend their turf. In my opinion, nobody is/was better at doing that than Scotty Townsend. Nobody beat him on his turf. Everybody left Monroe a loser - including me.