Best tip in the world story!!!!!!!!!!!!!

genomachino

genomachino

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IT WAS BACK IN 1974 AND I WAS DOING WHAT I ENJOYED DOING. PLAYING POOL AND HUSTLIN. I WAS IN DES MOINES IOWA AND I HAD JUST MADE A LITTLE SCORE. THERE WAS AN OLD GUY THERE AND AS I WAS PUTTING MY CUE AWAY HE WAS LOOKING AT MY OTHER SHAFTS AND HE NOTICED MY TIPS WERE ALL DOWN REAL LOW.

HE TOLD ME HE PUTS ON THE BEST TIP IN THE WORLD. HE CONTINUED TO TELL ME THAT WHEN HE PUTS ON A TIP IT NOT ONLY PLAYS GOOD BUT IT WILL LAST ALOT LONGER ALSO.

THEN IT CAME TO PRICE. HE WANTED $20.00 TO PUT ON A TIP. WELL LET ME TELL YOU THAT WAS LIKE $50.00 IS NOW. THE TIP HE WAS TALKING ABOUT WAS A LA PRO. I COULD BUY A BOX FOR $20.00. I POLITELY TURNED HIM DOWN.

I CAME BACK THE NEXT DAY TO PLAY THE SAME GUY I BEAT THE DAY BEFORE AND THE SAME OLD GUY WAS THERE THAT WANTED TO PUT TIPS ON FOR $20.00. HE SAT AND WATCHED AS I MISCUED A COUPLE OF TIMES AND DIDN'T GET THE DRAW I WANTED A COUPLE OF TIMES.

I HAD JUST LOST 2 SETS FOR $500.00 EACH. I WENT INTO THE BATHROOM AND THE OLD GUY FOLLOWED ME IN THERE. HE WAS STILL TRYING TO GET A TIP JOB FROM ME.

HE TOLD ME HE COULD PUT A TIP ON THE CUE I WAS SHOOTING WITH AND HAVE IT READY TO PLAY IN 1/2 HOUR. I WAS PRETTY DISGUSTED AT THIS TIME WITH THE WAY MY TIP WAS. IT WAS AT THE TAIL END OF WORKING RIGHT. I MIGHT HAVE BEEN BETTER USING A BAR CUE.

I GAVE MY SHAFT TO THE OLD GUY. HE WAS ABOUT 70 YEARS OLD WITH A LITTLE HUNCH IN HIS SHOULDERS WITH A REAL SCRUFFY VOICE.

I TOLD THE GUY I WAS PLAYING I HAD TO EAT SOMETHING AND HE WAS FINE WITH THAT. I STILL HAD HIM STUCK $500.00 FROM THE DAY BEFORE AND HE WAS SURE HE WAS GOING TO WIN THAT BACK PLUS MORE.

BEFORE WE STARTED HERE COME THE OLD GUY WITH MY SHAFT. IT LOOKED PERFECT. I SWEAR IT LOOKED LIKE HE DID IT ON A LATHE. I ASKED HIM WHERE HE DID THE TIP. AND WHERE THE LATHE WAS. HIS REPLY WAS, I DON'T USE THEM DAMN THINGS,THEY RUIN THE TIP BEFORE YOU EVEN GET TO PLAY WITH IT.

I REALLY DIDN'T GIVE IT MUCH THOUGHT AT THAT TIME. I JUST FIGURED HE SAID THAT BECAUSE HE DIDN'T HAVE A LATHE.

NOW BACK THEN THERE WERE ONLY A HANDFUL OF TIPS ON THE MARKET.
LA PRO, ELK MASTER, CHAMPION AND A FEW MORE THAT WERE JUST HORRIBLE. I HAD 4 SHAFTS AND WHEN I WOULD FIND A GUY WITH A LATHE TO PUT THEM ON I WOULD HAVE HIM DO ALL 4. USUALLY IF I GOT 2 GOOD TIPS OUT OF THE 4 I CONSIDERED THAT GREAT. I JUST FIGURED SOME OF THE TIPS WERE BAD. BUT THEY ALL SEEMED TO PLAY GOOD FOR A DAY OR 2 BUT SOME SEEMED TO SQUASH AND BREAK DOWN REAL FAST. PRETTY SOON THAT TIP WOULD JUST NOT HAVE ANY LIFE IN IT. THAT'S WHY I HAD 4 SHAFTS.

THE PROBLEM WITH THIS IS EVERY SHAFT PLAYS A LITTLE DIFFERENT AND WIEGHS A LITTLE MORE OR LESS. BUT REGARDLESS YOU NEED A TIP THAT WILL RESPOND.

WE STARTED THE NEXT SET FOR $500.00 AND I WON THE SET. IT WENT HILL HILL. NOW THIS GUY WANTED TO BET $1000. I DECLINED BECAUSE I WASN'T TO SURE ABOUT THIS NEW TIP.

THE NEXT SET WE WENT HILL HILL AGAIN AND THE GUY ASKED ME IF I WANTED TO ROLL IT. I ASKED HIM WHAT HE MEANT BY THIS AND HE TOLD ME WE WOULD START OVER ONLY THE BET WOULD BE $1000.

I HAD TO GO FOR THAT. IT WAS HIS BREAK. I MIGHT NOT EVEN HAVE GOTTEN TO SHOOT.

THE OLD GUY THAT PUT THE TIP ON CAME OVER AND LOOKED AT MY TIP.
I LOOKED AT IT ALSO AND IT STILL LOOKED PERFECT. HE SAID TO ME , THAT'S ONE HELL OF A TIP.

THEN I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, I'M MOVING THAT BALL AROUND PRETTY GOOD. THIS GUY REALLY HAS GOOD TIPS. AT THIS TIME I REALLY DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WAS THE WAY HE PUT THEM ON.

I WON THE NEXT 2 SETS FOR $1000 AND THE GUY QUIT. HE WAS KIND OF PISSED AT THE OLD GUY FOR PUTTING THE TIP ON FOR ME. THEY KNEW EACH OTHER AND I REALLY PLAYED ALOT BETTER WITH THE NEW TIP ON.

I LEFT DES MOINE AND HIT A FEW MORE TOWNS. MADE SOME MORE MONEY AND A MONTH HAD PASSED. THAT DARN TIP THAT OLD MAN PUT ON WAS STILL PLAYING GOOD.

ANOTHER MONTH WENT BY AND IT WAS STARTING TO GET A LITTLE LOW NOW SO I HAD A GUY IN THE TOWN WHERE I WAS AT PUT 4 TIPS ON FOR ME. I THOUGHT THEY ALL PLAYED TERRIBLE. HOW WAS IT THAT THE TIP THE OLD MAN PUT ON PLAYED THAT MUCH BETTER?

I PLAYED SOME MORE PLAYERS BUT I JUST WAS NOT HAPPY WITH HOW THESE 4 TIPS RESPONDED. I THOUGHT HOW COULD I GET 4 BAD TIPS. NOT EVEN ONE GOOD ONE. WHAT BAD LUCK.

I WAS ABOUT 300 MILES FROM DES MOINES AND THE GUY I BEAT THERE WANTED TO PLAY AGAIN. I GOT THERE A DAY EARLY AND WENT INTO THE POOLROOM AND THERE WAS THE OLD GUY THAT DID THE TIP FOR ME.

I TOLD HIM OF MY BAD LUCK WITH GETTING 4 BAD TIPS. WE TOLD ME. YOUNG MAN THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH ANY OF THOSE TIPS. THESE GUYS WITH THESE LATHES RUIN'EM BEFORE YOU EVEN HIT A BALL.

I ASKED HIM IF HE WOULD DO ANOTHER TIP FOR ME AND A BIG SMILE CAME ACROSS HIS FACE. HE SAID I THOUGHT YOU'LD NEVER ASK.

I GOT SOME BALLS AND HIT'EM AROUND AS HE WAS PUTTING ON THE TIP.ABOUT AN HOUR LATER HE HANDED IT TO ME AND I GAVE HIM $20.00.

I STARTED HITTING SOME BALLS WITH IT. IT WAS JUST LIKE MAGIC. THEN I THOUGHT, I NEED TO KNOW HOW THIS OLD GUY DOES THIS.

I ASKED HIM IF HE WOULD GIVE ME A DEAL ON 3 TIPS. HIS ANSWER WAS NOPE.

I NEEDED TO KNOW SO I TOLD HIM TO GO AHEAD. I WATCHED HIM DO ALL THREE. HE USED SOME TYPE OF EPOXY AND HE WOULD JUST PUT THE GLUE ON THE FERUL AND THE TIP AND THEN JUST SET THE TIP ON IT WITH NOTHING BUT GRAVITY TO HOLD IT THERE.

THEN HE HAD TAPE AROUND THE FERUL SO THE GLUE WOULDN'T GET ON IT.

THEN HE HAD A LITTLE BLOCK OF WOOD WITH A PIECE OF SANDPAPER GLUED TO IT THE HE STARTED SANDING THE SIDE OF THE TIP.

HE EXPLAINED THIS IS WHERE THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS WITH THOSE LATHES IS THEY JUST CUT AND TEAR THE LEATHER. THEN THEY BURNISH IT WITH 1000RPMS AND HEAT IT UP AND RUIN THE SIDE OF THE TIP. MAKING IT TOO HARD.

ONCE HE HAD THE TIP SANDED DOWN TO WHERE NEED BE HE PUT HIS FINGER ON THE SIDE OF HIS NOSE AND SAID THIS OIL IS FREE AS HE APPLIED IT TO THE SIDE OF THE TIP. THEN HE WET IT AND USED A PIECE OF CARDBOARD TO BURNISH THE SIDES.

I HIT A FEW BALLS WITH IT AND IT PLAYS GREAT.

THIS WAS ONE OF THE MOST VALUABLE LESSONS I WAS EVER TAUGHT IN POOL. THERE ARE NO BAD TIPS. JUST BAD TECHNIQUES FOR PUTTING THEM ON.

TO THIS DAY I PUT THEM ON THE EXACT SAME WAY. I DO IT FOR MY SON AND SOME OF MY FRIEND. THEY ARE ADDICTED TO THE TIPS I PUT ON. EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE AS I DO WHEN I'M IN A PINCH THEY HAVE SOMEONE ELSE PUT ONE ON. THEY USUALLY HAVE ME REPLACE IT WITHIN 2 WEEKS.

I STOPPED BACK IN DES MOINES ABOUT 2 YEARS LATER TO GET A GAME AND I ASKED ABOUT THE OLD MAN. I NEVER KNEW HIS LAST NAME BUT HIS FIRST NAME WAS BOB. HE DIED ABOUT 6 MONTHS BEFORE.

I FELT REALLY BAD BECAUSE I WANTED TO TELL HIM HOW WELL THOSE TIPS WERE PLAYING AND TELL HIM THANKS AGAIN.

BUT YOU KNOW WHAT. I KNOW HE KNEW.... THANKS :angel2: BOB......
 
Great story

I agree with the "old man"....I got tired of paying to have tips installed only to have them pop off in the middle of a game. I never gave any thought to the possibility of excess heat generated with the lathe process could weaken/destroy the integrity of the leather. I figured it wasn"t rocket science and I learned to install my own, and hand sand them to the correct profile. I have NEVER had a tip I installed seperate from the shaft while playing. I've had 1 or 2 pop off while I was using the porper burnishing tool......but that stopped when I started using nose oil and a $20 bill to burnish......just a side note.....I learned of the magical properties of nose oil at a young age. My father was an avid fisherman and he would always admonish me to fub the ferrule of my 2 pc rod on the side of my nose before I put it together, told me it repelled water and was a good lubricant. I fish today with the 1 pc ultra cool hybrid graphite boron rod......but I still get the urge to rub it on my nose from time to time.......Dan
 
Great story! :thumbup: lol I actually enjoyed that one

now get your capslock fixed :thumbup:
 
Great story! I like to put tips on myself... lil elbow grease and some spit is all you need. It might take twice as long, but it's worth it.
 
WELL EVEN THOUGH I AM OLD, I COULD AT LEAST HEAR THAT STORY! And an excellent one at that. Just curious what kind of epoxy do you use? Does super glue do the trick? I'm going to try this myself.
 
I type with one hand

teedotaj said:
Great story! :thumbup: lol I actually enjoyed that one

now get your capslock fixed :thumbup:
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i just had shoulder surgery. i'm typing one handed left handed. what a chore. other wise it ends up like this.

10 weeks in a sling............:shakehead::thumbup2:
 
Great story, REP to ya.

Anyway to do a video and post up on You Tube? I really want someone to show me how to do tips the "right" way.

Josh
 
doitforthegame said:
WELL EVEN THOUGH I AM OLD, I COULD AT LEAST HEAR THAT STORY! And an excellent one at that. Just curious what kind of epoxy do you use? Does super glue do the trick? I'm going to try this myself.
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Yeah superglue or any epoxy will work. Tweeten makes a tip cement that works alright as well. The key is getting the back of the tip sanded lightly so it will hold. You have to keep it straight while sanding ...same thing goes for the ferrule. You can use cardboard or cut an old piece of pvc pipe about 4-6 inches to burnish the sides of the tip. If you use pvc just hold the cue at an angle with tip inside the pipe and move it back and forth while turning the cue.
 
Thanks for the story. This is something I really want to learn how to do. That and actually play decent pool but that is another time!
Thanks for the story. I just might have to give it a try on one of my cues! :)
 
nothin funny, but i understand. that is funny.....

he didn't really want the guy i was playing to know he was trying to help me. i all reality he needed the 2o bucks.
 
Geno, you went hustlin, come on, that's hard to believe.

Great story, thanks my friend....SPF=randyg
 
I used to put on all my tips by hand. When I first started playing in trick shot tourney's I was putting on all my tips by hand. The shoe shine method is what I call it.

I learned it from a man named BJ Smith in Columbia MO. He had to of been 80 years old then 10 years ago. He said he had been doing them that way for over 50 years..I paid him to do my tip work for nearly a year until one day he invited me over to learn how to do it. You need glue, sand paper, and a razor blade. I put on probably 100 tips like that before I ever used a lathe.
 
I used to work in a pool room part time and did all the tips on a huge metal lathe. I used super glue gel. Prepared the ferule and tip stuck some glue on it and ran the cutting tool up to it with light pressure wait 5 minutes and cut down and shape it. I used Kiwi clear shoe polish and brown paper from a bag to shine the side. Never had a tip come off. The one thing i did do was to lightly sand the back of the tip and then cut an x into it.
Interesting side note was that there were a number of Szamboti cues that i re tipped and on his ivory ferules he cut rings into the face so they would hold the glue better i guess.So every time i replaced a ferule i cut rings in it,if he did it i figured it was good.
 
The "EYES" Doctor

Dammit Geno. I told you about giving away the farm. This is getting old really fast. Between Perfect Aim, all the pool tips you give away in the forum and on the telephone and now this, there won't be a banger left to play. Nothing but tough action when you finish with them. pffftttt.

Look, the story was good. You tell a story well but you have to quit giving up the SECRETS. At least wait until I do some commentary and have you in the booth. Promise me, you will save at least one "SECRET" for the commentary booth. :(

If a person wants to learn about GenoMachino and Perfect Aim or even order his video you can go to Perfect Aim Billiards just by clicking HERE.

He'll probably just give away more "SECRETS" but what the heck, it's his life.

Get well soon, Gene.

There has to be thousands of people who want to take personal pool lessons from you.

I know you like to gamble so how about a little arm wrestling for a hundred or two?

JoeyA
 
One of my old road partners put on about 99% of all my tips,no lathe. I just started back playing a little over a year ago after quitting for around 15yrs. My old buddy passed away a few years back and I have had several people put on different brands of tips for me and I haven't liked one of them. Sad to say but I didn't even know what kind of tip I used before so I called another old road partner and he told me I used a lapro. Just had someone I've known for many years put lapros on and just like the others they keep flaring out. I was told there was only 4 or 5 good tips out of a box of fifty by some stick builders. I never had problems with tips when my old road partner put them on and I even broke with the same stick I played with. I hope you just gave me the answer to my tip problem.Thanks!
 
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