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Best up and coming cue makers to invest your money into?
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That is well said,buy what you like and you can,t go wrong,because noone knows what is gonna happen with cue values. But if you bought a cue YOU LIKE then you will always have a cue that you like.
Maybe an exception would be old Scruggs sneaky Petes. I bought one back around '95 for $145, and the dealer had 4 or 5 on hand. Now a beat up one goes for $500-600...
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Real estate. Except for lava flows, God's not making any more real estate. And at that, some chalk company is chipping away at the lava. Get it while you can.
For an under $500. cue by someone that worked for a big name, Bob Frey is da man.
For an under $500. cue by someone that worked for a big name, Bob Frey is da man.
Respectfully, buying pool cues and investing shouldn't be included in the same thought.
Open a Vanguard account and get into broad market index funds. Your investments will mature long term much more than pool cues.
Depends on the amount of ROI you are looking for and what satisfaction you get from it and most importantly how long you are willing to hang onto them for. I have been collecting and trading, selling cues and cases as a hobby for over 20 years and have never made a loss on a cue I have sold.
I travel a lot which may be the reason and will take cues such as BB bought on Ebay etc or even the higher model predators and sell them in person to rich collectors in places they are hard to obtain. For instance, in certain 3rd world countries where a lot of countries refuse to ship. The trick is to do your research on the ground and learn who the buyers are.
Or I will buy certain older brands of snooker cues in the UK for small dollars, restore them and then take to countries where the have been marketed well in the past and have a good reputation and sell sometimes for 5- 10 times the price.
Occasionally I have made $1000 or $2000 profit other times just several hundred, other times I break even but I have never made a loss on a cue or custom case.
It just depends on how much you are looking at getting out of it and whether (in some cases) you can afford to have a lot of dollars tied up in cues just sitting in cases for months or years at a time. So for me it is just an enjoyable sideline which I can take with me on business or holiday trips which often ends up paying for the hotel room and meals
and on occasion the whole trip!.In my experience the older Black Boar cues are definitely worth collecting and seem to appreciate in value very quickly. There is no reason you can't make $1k to 2k profit on these in the next 5-10 years. Finding them though now days is the hard part.
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I would go with Blackwell or Dale Perry
If I were to be counting on someones death for my eventual profit it would clearly indicate that I am way off the rails and greed for profit has rendered me a despicable example of a man. Even if you were to think such a thing, what would compel you to post it? You don't think Tony or Donnie log on to AZ? Good grief!
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If ordering a cue the investment should be how much enjoy you net from the process.
I have ordered many cues and when you have some contact back and forth and cue
arrives in a timely fashion as ordered then it is a winner.
You have gotten a nice return on your investment. When a cuemaker falls off the face of the Earth after the initial order and it always you calling him after build times have come and gone , to me it was a huge waste of money and precious time.
If ordering a cue the investment should be how much enjoy you net from the process.
I have ordered many cues and when you have some contact back and forth and cue
arrives in a timely fashion as ordered then it is a winner.
You have gotten a nice return on your investment. When a cuemaker falls off the face of the Earth after the initial order and it always you calling him after build times have come and gone , to me it was a huge waste of money and precious time.
What else could his meaning have been? I see what was written.Not much gray there...
South west and szamboti are the gold standards
Jake and Larry Vigus are can't miss
trouble is finding one or talking them into
making one for you
Bob Owen cues are underpriced,beautiful and play like a dream
If you want a knock out cue ina reasonable time,for a good price from a sependable cue maker
then call Bob ,your player should be a great investment too
Jake and Larry Vigus are can't miss
trouble is finding one or talking them into
making one for you
Bob Owen cues are underpriced,beautiful and play like a dream
If you want a knock out cue ina reasonable time,for a good price from a sependable cue maker
then call Bob ,your player should be a great investment too
The poster is and was one of the first to buy a black boar!
He bought the most expensive one and supported black boar for years!
I can assure you he was not wishing ill on black boar. Just making reference to the trend in values with buska and gus and other makers.
He passed away recently and is not present to defend the post. R.I.P. Delaware Larry!
P.s. He was buried with his black boar! Needed a cue in heaven.
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i see alot of cohen. cohen shipped me a cue with a wobble. saw the talent and invested my money in it. got the cue and it had a two mm wobble. i thought maybe give it a few days to reset bc of the change and than i took a hard look at it and it was turned badly. maybe he didnt give a shit bc im a new yorker and hes a california guy and didnt think quality control was important enough. at least he gave me my money back. could have been a dick and tried to keep the cash. i can say that the cue had a nice hit and the shafts taper was nice though. i wanted him to build me a break cue but he seemed unintersted. didnt like my design ideas maybe.
I didn't realize his post was over a year old and I sure am sorry that he has since passed away. From your post it is evident that he probably was a friend of Tony and that his comment was innocent of ill will or hope of personal future gain from Tony's demise. That fact that he was buried with his BB cue is quite a tribute to Black Boar.
However, I still see writing/posting that as being poor form. May Delaware Larry rest in peace.
That's a horrible thing to say to your mother!
Of course we never mean it when we're small. But a more proper analogy would be, "I wish you were dead... so I could collect on your insurance policy!" Sure, we're all going to die, but we're all not going to profit monetarily from someone's death. On the same token, I'm sure these artisans would like to retire first, and enjoy the fruits of their labor, before they leave this Earth!On that subject raised, you don't think your mother may have kept that moment you said that in her mind? Even if she didn't voice an opinion on it, and she probably didn't die of it, it probably weighed on her mind that she could have raised a child that could say such a thing. Same thing about anyone else. We don't know how words can affect anyone; I'm sure it doesn't brighten anyone's day to be reminded that they will be pushing daisies someday.
Sure, we will all face our own mortality at some time. But do we have to hear about it HERE, in a billiards forum? Even in jest? It's like the Good Humorless truck just passed by. Any justification of it is just bizarre, but if it "floats your boat," so be it! I was raised where such talk amongst strangers would be considered uncouth.
Yes Sir, that is the word.
Listen, I've been burned before on investments, once as a kid, collecting stamps, and twice as an adult in market crashes. No investment is ever truely safe. I'd say the cue collecting is an especially unsafe investment, as the recruitment to pool is so low and there is so much competition for peoples money these days.
Nostalgic baby boomers with tons of expendable income drove the cue prices up to an artificially high point at one point in time and as they slowly die off, lose their expendable income because of US health care policies, or simply lose interest because of old age, the cue prices will continue their downward trend until a bottom/ground floor is reached. Naturally other countries don't have policies that lead to financial ruin when you get old and sick and have more age groups involved in buying/selling cues as well as playing pool seriously, so these countries will probably have a more gradual decline in their pricing. Asia will of course prop up the cuemarket to a certain extent, as they have for a decade or more now. Old people buy cues in the US, but of course in Asia the market is more healthy and have some younger people involved. The Asian market favours expensive makers (expensive for the sake of being expensive) so the pricing will be very top heavy with little midrange to speak of.
Ordering from aging cuemakers is a risky policy, they might die before your cue is completed. Oh, please don't give me any of this sanctimonious nonsense! Every one of the collectors are circling around waiting for this or that maker to die or retire, like vultures! Of course we all pretend that nobody thinks like that, but that's the reality of the situation. If the guy dies, his stuff will be worth more. It's the nature of the collecting business.
There will always be an interest in the absolute greatest makers, but ivory policies etc makes trading them inconvenient and I think many such bans and restrictions will come in the future as well, especially on tropical hardwoods. Cues for playing will probably be made of carbon, anyways.
Invest in something with better odds of giving a return, would be my advice, but of course I have terrible luck in investments, so you better do the opposite.. If you want a fancy cue from a famous maker, then go right ahead, but make sure you use money you don't necessarily need to get back.
Nostalgic baby boomers with tons of expendable income drove the cue prices up to an artificially high point at one point in time and as they slowly die off, lose their expendable income because of US health care policies, or simply lose interest because of old age, the cue prices will continue their downward trend until a bottom/ground floor is reached. Naturally other countries don't have policies that lead to financial ruin when you get old and sick and have more age groups involved in buying/selling cues as well as playing pool seriously, so these countries will probably have a more gradual decline in their pricing. Asia will of course prop up the cuemarket to a certain extent, as they have for a decade or more now. Old people buy cues in the US, but of course in Asia the market is more healthy and have some younger people involved. The Asian market favours expensive makers (expensive for the sake of being expensive) so the pricing will be very top heavy with little midrange to speak of.
Ordering from aging cuemakers is a risky policy, they might die before your cue is completed. Oh, please don't give me any of this sanctimonious nonsense! Every one of the collectors are circling around waiting for this or that maker to die or retire, like vultures! Of course we all pretend that nobody thinks like that, but that's the reality of the situation. If the guy dies, his stuff will be worth more. It's the nature of the collecting business.
There will always be an interest in the absolute greatest makers, but ivory policies etc makes trading them inconvenient and I think many such bans and restrictions will come in the future as well, especially on tropical hardwoods. Cues for playing will probably be made of carbon, anyways.
Invest in something with better odds of giving a return, would be my advice, but of course I have terrible luck in investments, so you better do the opposite
.. If you want a fancy cue from a famous maker, then go right ahead, but make sure you use money you don't necessarily need to get back.