Beware of ebay ID bigjohn1211 aka AZB member Bigjohn

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Hmmmmm.............I've bought three cues from Big John on eBay...never a problem. I certainly would be wary the next time I see one listed by him, but yet I refuse to judge someone just because he doesn't want to join in the mudslinging.
 
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jmonche said:
Hmmmmm.............I've bought three cues from Big John on eBay...never a problem. I certainly would be wary the next time I see one listed by him, but yet I refuse to judge someone just because he doesn't want to join in the mudslinging.
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I must be in the twilight zone......mudslinging ??? jmonche...I want you to know I tried really hard to keep this out of the public eye.....I sent over 2 dozen emails trying to reason with John.....I made a video which clearly shows the roll......I weighed the shafts on 2 different scales to show the weight discrepancy.....and its not good enough are you kidding me?? I have no doubt you had great transactions with John, and continue to do business with him it doesnt bother me, but for some reason he is trying to take advantage of me....John just take the cue back.....are you broke John if so we can work something out......step up be a man...
 
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Snowman, you certainly have presented some evidence and I would like to hear Big John explain these things. Like I said, I would be wary, er, make that very wary in the future, but yet he deserves a chance to explain....Big John, I think you need to weigh in soon.
 
jmonche said:
Snowman, you certainly have presented some evidence and I would like to hear Big John explain these things. Like I said, I would be wary, er, make that very wary in the future, but yet he deserves a chance to explain....Big John, I think you need to weigh in soon.
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You are so on it....this isnt mudslinging I'm doing my best to get this situation resolved......thats it....by the way John I'm a quick forgive :)
 
How Bout This Guys,Stop With The......... Are You Broke? Can't You Pay The Rent? It's Immature And Does Nothing To Get This Issue Resolved.

Big John, Evidently You Have Had Several Good Transactions On This Forum, Why Would You Ruin Your Rep Over Something Like This? Take The Cue Back, Refund His Money, And Be Done With It.

I'll Even Act As An Escrow If Either Party Is Worried About Getting Screwed. Anything I Can Do To Help, To Get This Resolved. And Just So Everybody Knows, I Have No Affiliation With Either Party.

Good Luck Resolving This.
 
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I apologize to you, Snowmon, I wasn't referring to you when I used the term, "mudslinging," but rather to the jurists who are too quick to condemn. If we are going to run a kangaroo court, let's at least have some decorum. As for you, Big John, your reply didn't squarely address the evidence Snowmon presented....so let's hear your side or else the ruling here is a no-brainer.
 
Rolling a Cue on a pool table to check warpage is not a very good way to check warpage.
 
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here is the bottom line, without passing judegement either way:

the listed ebay auction didnt state the sale was AS-IS.

The shaft weight is wrong. It was advertised at the lower weight, and then seller restated the weight was higher, and as it turns out that was untrue.

Even extending the benifit of the doubt to the seller that restating the shaft weight was an honest mistake, the cue was not as advertised, and thus, the buyer is deserving of a refund.

All the other he said, she said, pictures and videos are unnecessary to this conversation. the above premise is enough to warrant seller to accept the product back.

I would base all or any future dealings with bigjohn based on the outcome and resolution of this transaction. I would urge all az members to do the same.

rg
 
John, the dude has a point.....still waiting for you to break your silence.
 
Many deals with Snowmon34

I have had many dealings with Dale/Snowmon34, and have always been happy. He is a man of his word, and he goes that extra mile to make sure you are happy. I do not blame him for being particular about the cues he purchases, because he is very particular in what he sells, and deserves that same respect. You get what wa advertised, or you get a return of your money. People have to be more willing to back up what they sell, or this system will not work. If somebody sees the item, and finds it to be unsatisfactory, then you must return their money. No other way around it. AS-Is has to be defined before the deal, and all of the problems also must be defined, or it is false advertising.
Just my 2 cents,
Michael
 
Pay pal sucks

snowmon34 said:
Mason I tried, but they could'nt do it, but paypal did open a claim....Mason this is the cue you started a thread about. I told you I passed on it because the shafts weighed 3.4 oz.....well John emailed me back telling me his scale was off and he just weighed them at the post office and they actually weigh 4.0 oz...:rolleyes: so I bought it.....stupid me....


FYI......This person is a AZB member and goes by the name of Bigjohn
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Pay pal will not help you either.
I experienced the same thing from a cuemaker in Hawaii.

I paid him thru pay pal nd received the biggest piece of custom junk. i sent it back the same day it came and filed with pay pal. Now, he has the cue and the money, because Pay pal has emailed me stating that since it wasn't purchased thru ebay( their sister company) that they will only issue refunds for items not received and not items recived as other than described.

So pay pal could care less if you receive a box of rocks. Once you accept the package it's yours, unless you bought it at ebay.


Contact your credit card company, they may offer protection, if that's how it was paid.
Just explain to them that pay pal is of no help. If you file with pay pal , for this item, you'll be wasting yourtime.

If this seller has a cue business, you can file for fraud with the attorney general.

Good Luck
mark
 
From the looks of the video, the nose could be out a little or it might even be in the A-joint. Not always the best way to tell rolling it on the table like that. Make sure it's not rolling across the slate joint. Pretty minor IMO. The shaft weight difference is really the kicker IMO....0.4 ounces is a lot of difference to me.

With respect to the warpage, here's another thing to think of. Where was the cue shipped from and to ?? This is deads nuts in the middle of summer. It would not be uncommon for a cue to roll great in one place and upon arrival elsewhere (after the shock it experienced in shipping) to exhibit minor warpage like this. Before anyone says BS, until it's happened to you, you just don't know. Wood is wood and wood moves. This thing may sit a week or two and then go back to rolling fine, if indeed it rolled fine before.

Once again, shame to see that things cannot be worked out without reading about it here first.
 
Hey Bigjohn,
I have bought many cues on AZ and have returned a couple. If you are so sure that Snowman is trying to fool everyone, give him his money back get the cue and then post pictures / video that prove your point.

If you gave him such a great deal, it would seem like if the cue is straight and the shafts are 4.0 oz. you should be able to sell the cue for more anyway.

Your statement about ending the discussion and leaving someone with a cue they don't want isn't fair and I am sure it will hurt your future sales on AZ and on Ebay.

Good Luck!
 
couldn't afford it, but Dale and I did lunch! LOL

I did then inspect the Bluegrass, and it does have an obvious wobble in the nose. To me it's unexceptable
I will just say, I don't own any cues that roll that way, including my Bluegrass. Besides that my shafts are 3.9 oz and I don't play with anything less than 3.75. Why is bigjohn dodging the misrepresented shaft weights. Something is going on with this cue, being that bigjohn has been around awhile. Why is he willing to tarnish his name with lies and dishonesty on a players cue under $1000 The shaft weights alone should kick this deal, bigjohn. You have been doing this along time,
so I know, even being more of a newbie, that YOU would have stipulated any condition of "AS-IS" in writing. I have no doubt. Be a man, refund Dale
on your misrepresented Bluegrass.
Thanks all for listening to my ramblings,
 
I have sold a cue to BigJohn and purchased a Blue Grass cue from him just last month. In my experience, he is a good and honest buyer and seller of cues. With respect to the Blue Grass cue, he offered to take the cue back for a full refund if it was not as represented. Because the cue was exactly as described, I did not need to take him up on his full refund offer. I called BigJohn and spoke with his wife about the Blue Grass cue in dispute. I offered to act as a middleman if BigJohn wanted to mail me the refund and pay for the shipping of the cue from me to him, and if Dale wants to ship me the cue. If there is nothing wrong with the cue, I'll even buy. I'm waiting to hear from BigJohn as to my middleman offer. I'm not taking sides here, just extending the olive branch to see if the dispute can be resolved.
 
Quality Cues said:
I have sold a cue to BigJohn and purchased a Blue Grass cue from him just last month. In my experience, he is a good and honest buyer and seller of cues. With respect to the Blue Grass cue, he offered to take the cue back for a full refund if it was not as represented. Because the cue was exactly as described, I did not need to take him up on his full refund offer. I called BigJohn and spoke with his wife about the Blue Grass cue in dispute. I offered to act as a middleman if BigJohn wanted to mail me the refund and pay for the shipping of the cue from me to him, and if Dale wants to ship me the cue. If there is nothing wrong with the cue, I'll even buy. I'm waiting to hear from BigJohn as to my middleman offer. I'm not taking sides here, just extending the olive branch to see if the dispute can be resolved.
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Mike,

I believe I purchased a 2000.00 cue from you at the end of June...did that transaction go ok?? I appreciate you trying to get involved, but it's not necessary. If John comes around and wants me to send him back the cue for a full refund I will do this, and if I think it's necessary to use an escrow service at the time I will choose the 3rd party.....remember I was the person slighted here ....please don't feel that I'm disrespecting you.....whomever John wants to do business with after the cue is in his possession is his business....if there are any trust issues to be had they would be coming from me, and I fully understand that I won't receive a full refund until John receives the cue, If you believe there is trickery or some sort of intentional deceit...coming from my end.....I would be really surprised.....I thought our transaction a few months back went really smooth, and as you know when we talked on the phone I was very concerned and picky about the condition of the cue.....guess what the deal went off with out a hitch .....you described the cue exactly as it was delivered and I appreciate it.....again if you feel that I'm being disrespectful I apologize in advance....

Dale
 
Dale:

Yes, our TS cue deal went smoothly and no I don't feel like you are disrespecting me. I believe BigJohn is a good guy and just want to assist the two of you in resolving your dispute, if possible, having dealt with both of you. Good luck.
 
Man,that last post from Snowmon could have come straight from a Perry Mason episode. I can see the look on the DA's face after Mason fired off that retort.
 
Quality Cues said:
Dale:

Yes, our TS cue deal went smoothly and no I don't feel like you are disrespecting me. I believe BigJohn is a good guy and just want to assist the two of you in resolving your dispute, if possible, having dealt with both of you. Good luck.
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Thank you for understanding :) I do believe that your deals with bigjohn went very smooth..infact I believe bigjohn has completed many deals as described....its obvious by his ebay feedback...I can't figure out why bigjohn will not give me the benefit of the doubt.....it doesnt make sense....I hate to be paranoid, but it appears he doesn't want this cue back period.
 
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