Big corporate sponsors testing the water with pool again???

BmoreMoney

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So, this past weekend in Providence @ Snookers a tournament was held. Nothing new for this place, with the exception that it was the Budweiser Classic. Bud was the title sponsor of this event. First time I've seen a major Corp sponsoring pool in a LOOONG time. Kinda funny too, as this was a JR's tourny for those 18 and under lol. Could this be a start of something? Guess time will tell.
 

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hang-the-9

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This event was happening for a while, and I was told that you had to be 21 and over to play in it since it was sponsored by a pool company. Yet they had at least one player under 21 in it. I wanted to have my son qualify but when I asked was told it was 21 and over. I don't get it.

It's one thing to have Bud be a sponsor but another to have it be a sponsor and allow under 21 entries. All of their contests and events are over 21.

Plus they ignored the stipulation that if you finished top 3 in a regional tour stop you are ineligible. Yet there was a 16 yr old playing there that not only is under 21 but also won a Predator tour stop just months before LOL

And quite a few of the players were rated too low for their class, which is why you see who you see in the top spots.
 
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Black-Balled

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Dont sink the ship coz you dont like yer bed!
This event was happening for a while, and I was told that you had to be 21 and over to play in it since it was sponsored by a pool company. Yet they had at least one player under 21 in it. I wanted to have my son qualify but when I asked was told it was 21 and over. I don't get it.

It's one thing to have Bud be a sponsor but another to have it be a sponsor and allow under 21 entries. All of their contests and events are over 21.

Plus they ignored the stipulation that if you finished top 3 in a regional tour stop you are ineligible. Yet there was a 16 yr old playing there that not only is under 21 but also won a Predator tour stop just months before LOL

And quite a few of the players were rated too low for their class, which is why you see who you see in the top spots.
 

hang-the-9

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Dont sink the ship coz you dont like yer bed!

Don't setup rules that won't be followed is more like it. This is why I usually avoid handicapped and some other tours, they follow the same rules as Animal Farm, some animals are more equal than others.

Anyone run across a handicapped event that had all the players ranked where they should be? I was watching a stream a bit ago where they had someone ranked as a C that eventually was moved up to a B+ at the end of the event, was not disqualified for playing under his rank, they just slowly moved him up as he kept crushing players and running out. Even at a B+ he was too low. Till players are honest and promoters don't play favorites, handicapped tournaments will be barely a step over APA ratings as something of a true measure of skill.
 
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JAM

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A Virginia State or Planet Pool -- can't remember which -- pool tournament in Richmond, VA was sponsored by Camel cigarettes.

They came to the event and passed out a bunch of samples of flavored Camel cigarettes as well as ashtrays and other Camel gifts. I was a smoker then and enjoyed it thoroughly. Richmond is where a few tobacco companies are housed. :)
 

Black-Balled

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A Virginia State or Planet Pool -- can't remember which -- pool tournament in Richmond, VA was sponsored by Camel cigarettes.

They came to the event and passed out a bunch of samples of flavored Camel cigarettes as well as ashtrays and other Camel gifts. I was a smoker then and enjoyed it thoroughly. Richmond is where a few tobacco companies are housed. :)
That was at billy's room. Good times.

Wheres the pic of the blacktop gamblin?! It was that year.
 

Black-Balled

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I undersand where you are coming from. Only one of us is affected by this matter, and it aint I.

Don't setup rules that won't be followed is more like it. This is why I usually avoid handicapped and some other tours, they follow the same rules as Animal Farm, some animals are more equal than others.

Anyone run across a handicapped event that had all the players ranked where they should be? I was watching a stream a bit ago where they had someone ranked as a C that eventually was moved up to a B+ at the end of the event, was not disqualified for playing under his rank, they just slowly moved him up as he kept crushing players and running out. Even at a B+ he was too low. Till players are honest and promoters don't play favorites, handicapped tournaments will be barely a step over APA ratings as something of a true measure of skill.
 

PhilosopherKing

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This event was happening for a while, and I was told that you had to be 21 and over to play in it since it was sponsored by a pool company. Yet they had at least one player under 21 in it. I wanted to have my son qualify but when I asked was told it was 21 and over. I don't get it.

It's one thing to have Bud be a sponsor but another to have it be a sponsor and allow under 21 entries. All of their contests and events are over 21.

Plus they ignored the stipulation that if you finished top 3 in a regional tour stop you are ineligible. Yet there was a 16 yr old playing there that not only is under 21 but also won a Predator tour stop just months before LOL

And quite a few of the players were rated too low for their class, which is why you see who you see in the top spots.

Next time don't ask. The basic rule is 'It's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission.'
 

easy-e

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I played in this tournament back when it was sponsored by Rolling Rock. I think that was maybe 2009/2010. Fun tournament, well run, nice place. I really like that pool hall. I visited there a couple of weeks ago during one of their qualifiers, it's a lot quieter around there for some reason...
 

Koop

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I played in this tournament back when it was sponsored by Rolling Rock. I think that was maybe 2009/2010. Fun tournament, well run, nice place. I really like that pool hall. I visited there a couple of weeks ago during one of their qualifiers, it's a lot quieter around there for some reason...

No Mike D and Super Dave would be my guess. That was 2010. I got bounced a lot sooner than you that day :grin:
 

Koop

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This event was happening for a while, and I was told that you had to be 21 and over to play in it since it was sponsored by a pool company. Yet they had at least one player under 21 in it. I wanted to have my son qualify but when I asked was told it was 21 and over. I don't get it.

It's one thing to have Bud be a sponsor but another to have it be a sponsor and allow under 21 entries. All of their contests and events are over 21.

Plus they ignored the stipulation that if you finished top 3 in a regional tour stop you are ineligible. Yet there was a 16 yr old playing there that not only is under 21 but also won a Predator tour stop just months before LOL

And quite a few of the players were rated too low for their class, which is why you see who you see in the top spots.

My guess is you are talking about that kid Lukas? I was really impressed with his play. He beat Billy The Kid and didn't need the spot to do it.
 

michael4

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So, this past weekend in Providence @ Snookers a tournament was held. Nothing new for this place, with the exception that it was the Budweiser Classic. Bud was the title sponsor of this event.

Good for Bud, .......but I think of it as Bud slumming it in the cheaper sports.....doesnt mean they are gonna throw big money at pool..... :(

One can hope.....
 

LAMas

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A Virginia State or Planet Pool -- can't remember which -- pool tournament in Richmond, VA was sponsored by Camel cigarettes.

They came to the event and passed out a bunch of samples of flavored Camel cigarettes as well as ashtrays and other Camel gifts. I was a smoker then and enjoyed it thoroughly. Richmond is where a few tobacco companies are housed. :)

The Camel tour in Los Angeles was roaring til they outlawed smoking in poolhalls,
 

hang-the-9

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My guess is you are talking about that kid Lukas? I was really impressed with his play. He beat Billy The Kid and didn't need the spot to do it.

Which brings me to the other point of people being under-ranked in many handicapped events. I would say half of the top 16 were too low for their ranking which is why seemingly B players finished high. The C was a B and the B was a low A.

I've known Lukas for several years, he plays in a lot of junior events my son does including Jr Nationals, but he is A under 21, B has won a tour stop recently and C is a bit too good to be there as a B. He is young but plays well, he finished top 8 at Super Billiards Expo with a 1,000 players. They should have used Fargo Ratings, going by that Lucas is a 620 which is in the low A range, which is correct for his skill. Don't know what seat of the pants feel they went for, but it was wrong in many cases.

I don't mind handicapped tournaments when done fairly, it's too bad most are not. So far the only one I don't shake my head at is the one run out of Amazin Billiards, from the few times I played there, maybe a couple of players are too low which is not perfect but better than most others where I see 1/4 of the players being the wrong ranking.
 
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hang-the-9

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The Camel tour in Los Angeles was roaring til they outlawed smoking in poolhalls,

I am not a smoker, but I do not have issues with smoking indoors in some places. Poolhall, yea, straight up bar, sure. Ooutback Steakhouse or any place that is mostly restaurant not a bar, nope, planes, nope, at work, nope. I know several poolhalls that closed barely a year after the indoor smoking ban took place, and I still miss being able to have a cigar a few times a month when shooting.
 

realkingcobra

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So, this past weekend in Providence @ Snookers a tournament was held. Nothing new for this place, with the exception that it was the Budweiser Classic. Bud was the title sponsor of this event. First time I've seen a major Corp sponsoring pool in a LOOONG time. Kinda funny too, as this was a JR's tourny for those 18 and under lol. Could this be a start of something? Guess time will tell.

I've had Coors sponsor some of my casino pool tournaments, but it was the local distributor, not the Coors company itself, are you sure it was Budweiser sponsoring, or a local distributor....big difference.
 

easy-e

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Which brings me to the other point of people being under-ranked in many handicapped events. I would say half of the top 16 were too low for their ranking which is why seemingly B players finished high. The C was a B and the B was a low A.

I've known Lukas for several years, he plays in a lot of junior events my son does including Jr Nationals, but he is A under 21, B has won a tour stop recently and C is a bit too good to be there as a B. He is young but plays well, he finished top 8 at Super Billiards Expo with a 1,000 players. They should have used Fargo Ratings, going by that Lucas is a 620 which is in the low A range, which is correct for his skill. Don't know what seat of the pants feel they went for, but it was wrong in many cases.

I don't mind handicapped tournaments when done fairly, it's too bad most are not. So far the only one I don't shake my head at is the one run out of Amazin Billiards, from the few times I played there, maybe a couple of players are too low which is not perfect but better than most others where I see 1/4 of the players being the wrong ranking.

Handicapping is very difficult. You may feel someone plays at "B" speed while others would view him as "A" speed. Maybe you've seen them play on their best day or worst day, you just never can tell for sure. I was in New England for two weeks. I played in one tournament, and then played a "friendly" set with a local. All of a sudden, guys I've never met are trying to tell me who I play even with and what my handicap should be. It's a very subjective deal.
 
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