Billiards Digest POW-MIA CUE- BETRAYAL

JoeyA said:
Your post is sobering and your thinking cannot be argued against.

The memories of the sacrificies that the POW's and MIA's deserve better.

Thank you for your insight and putting things in proper perspective.

In honor of all of our soldiers, I accept Mason's apology.

Some of you have wanted to see the pictures of my cue and cubc was kind enough to help make them available for everyone to see.

You can see the pictures at: http://immediateeffects.com/youarenotforgotten/

Thanks again for squaring me away and putting this in the proper perspective!

Sincerely,

JoeyA

What an awesome cue and case! I teared up a little. Somewhere I still have my brother's MIA bracelet that he always wore. That's what I was thinking of when I looked at your cue.

I'm sorry Joey, I still love you even if you woof at me so much. I don't know if I could make a ball if you use that cue. Some things are bigger than a pool game or a photo in a magazine.

I had a few buddies that didn't come back from Nam, and it's still hard for me to think about them. Young guys, strong men with lots of courage, gone too soon, so sad! I haven't forgotten them either. It does seem too much like a replay in Iraq right now. That's what bothers me so much.

So now, What about Olathe? It's only two weeks away. :D
 
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MOJOE said:
JoeyA,

That is a beautiful combination. The two compliment each other perfectly.
Thanks for sharing the photos and thank you for the service that you have provided for my freedom.

My nephew just joined the Marines 2 weeks ago. He is going through boot camp at Paris Island right now. I pray that he and his fellow marines find good fortune in these troubled times.

A tribute to all of those who have served is in order.

Peace, JBK


Below is a quick view of Joey's cue and case. I hope he does not mind my making it easier for folks to enjoy quickly.

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JBK, I did not know that such a large, high quality photo could be placed in a post. Thanks!

Your nephew has become part of another family and his expanded family will teach him many things, some of which are discipline, teamwork, sacrifice and honor. He will be the better man for it.

What your nephew learns will remain with him all the days of his life. May good fortune follow him wherever he goes.

JoeyA
 
hoosier_cues said:
Also forgot,thanks cubc for helping Joey share these pics.

I have edited and did a lot of graphic work in my time. I also have a tremendous amount of respect for all vets and especially viet nam vets given ... all of the shit they went through to put it lightly.

Editing and uploading these pictures was the least I could do. Also in all of the pictures I've edited, working on these made me really really pay a lot of attention so I could get the color cast out and make them look as good as possible to at least do his cue and case justice since everything about them is amazing.

Maybe some day I'll actually see it in person!
 
jay helfert said:
What an awesome cue and case! I teared up a little. Somewhere I still have my brother's MIA bracelet that he always wore. That's what I was thinking of when I looked at your cue.

I'm sorry Joey, I still love you even if you woof at me so much. I don't know if I could make a ball if you use that cue. Some things are bigger than a pool game or a photo in a magazine.

I had a few buddies that didn't come back from Nam, and it's still hard for me to think about them. Young guys, strong men with lots of courage, gone too soon, so sad! I haven't forgotten them either. It does seem too much like a replay in Iraq right now. That's what bothers me so much.

So now, What about Olathe? It's only two weeks away. :D

That cue is awesome. So is the case.

And so have been all the contributions of thoughts, thanks, and the manner in which everyone wound up at pretty much the same place with respect for all involved even where a little pride had to be swallowed.

Thanks Joey, thanks for posting the pics CubC
 
pow-mia cue

JoeyA,
Thank you for posting the photos, your cue and case is beautiful, you gave the pow's a great honor in designing this cue.

Mason King thank you for your response.

Jay, good luck to your nephew, hope he has a safe tour with the marines. I share the same feelings you do about Fort Polk, it was the pits, hot, humid, and loaded with insects, scorpions, and snakes. I was there for approx ten weeks in 67 for advanced infantry training before I went to Nam.
Regards,
Charlie
 
Let Them Eat Cake....... and then... Off With Their Heads

JoeyA said:
About three years ago I asked Mike Bender of Delta Junction Alaska to build me a cue using the POW-MIA logo and military ribbon to honor all of our soldiers and to remember the POW's and MIA soldiers. I had thought for several years how I could honor all of our soldiers in my small world that I live in and realized that I could share my passion for pool and the remembrances of the POW's and MIA's through a unique cue design honoring all of our soldiers. As a Vietnam veteran, who is only here by the grace of God, or tragic twist of fate, it was the least I could do. I first discussed this idea with Joe Ezell (a cuemaker in his own right and a friend) just after the start of the new millenium.

At that time, I had already owned a couple of Bender cues and after I realized the extent to which Mike Bender and Tracey Dunham go with their cues, I knew they were the ones to build it.

The cue took quite some time to build (three years) and some of you who have met me, have seen the cue. I play with it in all of the tournaments I compete in.

When it was completed at the beginning of 2007, I decided to have a professional photographer take pictures of it, along with the matching case that Jack Justis built.

To say that I'm happy with the cue and case is an understatement and I thank both Jack, Mike and Tracey for building this memorial of a cue/case.

I thought I would share the pictures of the cue to my world by asking one of the billiard magazines if they would be interested in publishing pictures of it.

I went straight to the managing editor of Billiards Digest and asked him if Billiards Digest would be interested. Mason King, the managing editor said that he and Billiard Digest were VERY INTERESTED in publishing pictures of our cue and that it could easily be worked into their WAND WORKSHOP, which is a part of their magazine where they showcase cues of special proportions. On May 21, 2007, after Mason King reviewed my pictures he emailed me and said that he thought they could definitely find room in the next issue of Billiard Digest to showcase the cue in their WAND WORKSHOP section. Each month that passed, I would either call Mason or send him an email inquiring politely as always, as to the status of the publishing of my cue. Each and every time Mason King responded that they were defintely interested in publishing the POW-MIA CUE that I designed with Mike Bender and Tracey Dunham.

It seemed strange that each month there were no pictures of my POW-MIA cue in the magazine and so I would check in just to make sure they were still interested in publishing pictures of my one of a kind cue. Mason assured me each and every time that they were definitely still interested and once even remarked that their business was really good and that they couldn't squeeze it in at the moment but would do so surely in the very near future, maybe the next issue.

Never once did I show any anger or animosity for the procrastination. Afterall, I am in business and understand that making a profit comes before any philanthropic or civic efforts can be made by any business who cares about remaining in business.

Even as recent as the end of 2007, actually December 27, 2007, I received an email from Mason assuring me that there was a very good chance that it would make the next month's issue in the WING SHOT/WAND WORKSHOP. That would have been February's issue..

Each month I would keep my fingers crossed hoping for the best, when lo and behold in March's issue there it is, the POW-MIA cue, just not my cue. It was someone else's POW-MIA cue.

It shocked me to see that Billiards Digest had slipped in someone else's POW-MIA cue in place of mine and I called to ask them to destroy all of my high resolution photos.

I am glad that our soliders got some of the recognition for the sacrifices that they all make and hope that the POW's and MIA's will never be forgotten.

It is unfortunate that after all of the assurances I received that the managing editor chose to change his mind without even telling me.

If Mason had been honest with me and told me that they weren't interested, I could easily have asked another billiard magazine if they would like to publish pictures of the cue.

Since I heard only assurances that my POW-MIA pool cue would be published in Billiard Digest, I could not in good conscience ask another pool magazine if they would be interested in publishing the pictures regardless of the delay.

I think Billiards Digest and Mason King did a deep injustice to me, Mike Bender and Tracey Dunham.

I cannot fathom how I could ever renew my subscription to their magazine.

It bothers me greatly when people do not keep their word to me. I make every effort to keep my word. If circumstances change that prevent me from keeping a committment I will make every effort to at least inform those affected as to what those changes are and why.

The way that Mason King & Billiards Digest have deceived me, disgusts me and makes me very angry.

JoeyA


Oddly, this entire post of Joey's was placed in the Billiard's Digest Forum by "hemicudas" and while it was viewed by 180 readers, it didn't receive even ONE comment.
Sad.... imo

Doug



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JoeyA said:
Your post is sobering and your thinking cannot be argued against.

The memories of the sacrificies that the POW's and MIA's deserve better.

Thank you for your insight and putting things in proper perspective.

In honor of all of our soldiers, I accept Mason's apology.

Some of you have wanted to see the pictures of my cue and cubc was kind enough to help make them available for everyone to see.

You can see the pictures at: http://immediateeffects.com/youarenotforgotten/

Thanks again for squaring me away and putting this in the proper perspective!

Sincerely,

JoeyA

WOW! Very nice, indeed, Joey.
I would be proud to own that.
 
Stunning work by both Mike Bender and Jack Justis.
Love how each compliments the other.
Thanks for taking the time to share the pictures and hoping to see them in some publication for all to see.

Myron
 
There is a lot of details throughout the cue but I do have a thing for nice butts and Mike Bender did a wonderful job on this one...

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Nice, Very Nice!

A very nice cue and case. I'll have to look them over when next we meet.

Hu
 
I am sure that you or Mike Bender have some nice photos of that cue. I bet that Mike is very proud of the design and that it is a great representation of his work. Contact Mike and ask him to submit photos of that cue for the next issue of the Blue Book. Go big time. A photo in BD for one month is nothing compared to being featured in the Blue Book.

Thanks for sharing your frustrations.
 
That cue is awsome! So is the case, Billiards digest fugged up! as to me there is no way that theme cue could be made any better IMHO, even with more bells and whistles that cue is elegant, very tasteful and should be on display...

I like the idea of "theme" cues and think it should be the current trend with custom cues, I dont think you see alot of it, because it takes alot of vision to put something like that together, whitch makes Joey A's cue even more valuable IMHO... It looks exactly the way I pictured it should.. (yeah I like it too...lol)


SPINDOKTOR
 
uwate said:
Joey,
I have some intimate knowledge of the magazine publishing business and putting out a magazine is difficult work. Not knowing the exact nature of BD's workflow and the nature of their production, I can still make a few points here in defense of BD. Production on monthly titles is done many months in advance. For example the deadline schedule for a magazine can easily look like this:

For July 2008 title
Ad insertions due 1/9/08
to proofing 2/6
to prepress 2/13
color proofs due 2/29
goes to printer 3/20
ships from printer 4/7
on sale date 5/6

most magazines hit the stands 4-8 weeks before the actual title date. This has alot to due with the fact the newsstands need time to sell and if buyers see a July 08 date they are much less inclined to buy it if its in mid july or august.

What i am getting at is that publishing (much like most business) is a complicated, heavy on the deadlines type of business. There is little to no room for error on many of those deadlines since the printing presses of today are so expensive that the printing houses book their presses to run 24/7/365 and way in advance. Miss your deadline, your shit out of luck and you cannot get printed since something else is rolling immediately after your slot is over.

Its not so easy to say just bypass that article for the month. They have to generate creative, the ad insertions have to be prospected, paid, creative received, approved and produced. Same goes for trying to put something else in the spot.

Also remember that Mason King as managing editor is juggling alot. Not to take anything away from your email conversations with him or the promises to publish that you understood were made, but he does have ALOT of things he has to do each month to make sure BD goes to press and gets distribution. The wand workshop, by the very nature of the fact that its outsourced to a third party tells me he is not active in that , the work is done probably 5-6 months in advance, and that Mason King is spending time on a host of other issues. Most print magazines these days are in freefall downwards. Everyone has lost huge numbers on circulation and in most cases circulation is the lifeblood of the advertising dollars. Mason is probably like most print guys...they spend more and more of their day dealing with how to put out a quality title each month when they have a smaller and smaller budget to work with.

I know your mad, but honestly there was another side of the story here, and my reading of what Jay posted is not that he was insinuating your not telling the truth as much as Jay was saying that you can jump to the conclusion there was ill intent on BD's end to do you wrong. Mason manned up and accepted he made mistakes and apologized.

Your a good guy Joey, dont spend your time focusing on negativity. Let it go.


Your post is quite an impressive showing of the technical side of publishing. That being said, I'm not cutting BD much slack here.

Why don't they do a story now on JoeyA's cue?

Seems to be the right way to move ahead.

I'll be watching. In the meantime, don't count on yours truly to buy any BDs...

Flex
 
Flex said:
Your post is quite an impressive showing of the technical side of publishing. That being said, I'm not cutting BD much slack here.

Why don't they do a story now on JoeyA's cue?

Seems to be the right way to move ahead.

I'll be watching. In the meantime, don't count on yours truly to buy any BDs...

Flex

Flex I am completely with you, although Mr. Mason did apologize, he could still make things right if he is truly sincere. Like you said time will tell, and I am not holding my breath, because in God we trust and everyone else only has their word.

Joey, that is truly a wonderful cue that means more than words can say to me personally. This is truly the tribute you intended it to be, and I understand very well your motivation for wanting it displayed with Honor for all to see. For those who have served our country in a time of crisis there is no better thanks or tribute than something that comes completely from one's heart. I only wish that the Politics that created this entire thread to occur and the people responsible would understand how they are viewed by the people who continue to keep the light on for those who have yet to come home.

Thanks again Joey, and have a great night!!
 
manwon said:
Flex I am completely with you, although Mr. Mason did apologize, he could still make things right if he is truly sincere. Like you said time will tell, and I am not holding my breath, because in God we trust and everyone else only has their word.

Joey, that is truly a wonderful cue that means more than words can say to me personally. This is truly the tribute you intended it to be, and I understand very well your motivation for wanting it displayed with Honor for all to see. For those who have served our country in a time of crisis there is no better thanks or tribute than something that comes completely from one's heart. I only wish that the Politics that created this entire thread to occur and the people responsible would understand how they are viewed by the people who continue to keep the light on for those who have yet to come home.

Thanks again Joey, and have a great night!!
I could not agree more Manwon. It seems Mason would want to make this right. He has only one option.
 
manwon said:
Flex I am completely with you, although Mr. Mason did apologize, he could still make things right if he is truly sincere. Like you said time will tell, and I am not holding my breath, because in God we trust and everyone else only has their word.

Joey, that is truly a wonderful cue that means more than words can say to me personally. This is truly the tribute you intended it to be, and I understand very well your motivation for wanting it displayed with Honor for all to see. For those who have served our country in a time of crisis there is no better thanks or tribute than something that comes completely from one's heart. I only wish that the Politics that created this entire thread to occur and the people responsible would understand how they are viewed by the people who continue to keep the light on for those who have yet to come home.

Thanks again Joey, and have a great night!!

Manwon,
I appreciate your sentiments and all of the positive feedback I have received from all of the AZers. The many PM?s and posts you all sent are a treasure I will always hold close to my heart.

The posts that you and others have made, touches me deeply and so I would like to share with you my first and now final thoughts about the POW-MIA cue/case.

The frustration of knowing that as an individual I could do very little to help my brothers and sisters fueled a need in me to do something for them, something personal, not conceived for profit or fame.

My first thought of the POW-MIA cue came from the anguish I experienced while watching the news media covering the stories of our soldiers in combat in the Middle East. Occasionally I play pool in regional and national tournaments around the country and thought that it would be nice to create this cue to take into battle on the field of green. Since then the field of green seems to have turned blue. I wanted to use the POW-MIA cue in battle, on the hard, flat slate. It was not meant to be created just to lie in some trophy case, to be traded or collected.

I think the idea was wrought out of frustration, seeing our young men go off to war only to see many of them come back to our country with missing arms and legs and some only to come back in body bags, to be buried and forgotten. SOME NEVER RETURN. It breaks my heart to see their suffering and to know their pain. I was lucky enough to be a fishing partner of a POW from World War II and as his story of suffering and pain unfolded over a period of years, I was able to come to grips with my own personal demons.

The physical injuries of our soldiers are right out there for the world to see or for the world to turn their back on. The real suffering inside each of them is harder to see and will plague many for the rest of their lives. Post traumatic stress disorder (PTST) is a real illness and it brings suffering that seems to last a lifetime and in many cases, does. PTST is difficult to treat and it affects not only the recipient but their family members, friends and all of society.

We as individuals, sit back here in the comforts of our own home, enjoying the fruits of our labor, living the Epicurean lifestyle that America has come to know. All the while, politicians send off our young men to fight for our freedoms and the freedoms of people we don't even know, for reasons that are hard to explain and often impossible to justify. Our soldiers risk life, limb and a lifetime of mental damage that can't be seen and it affects all of us, not just our brave young men and women who serve our country's beck and call. How do you tell a young, formerly, healthy young soldier that their permanent injuries and sacrifices were justified? How do you tell the family who dreads getting up in the morning, knowing that their child will never return and that their sacrifice was justified?

In recent years, I dreamed of a way to reduce the number of wars that America becomes involved in: It is just a dream, nothing more. It revolves around our president, his cabinet, our congressmen and senators. If any of them deem that it is necessary for America to go to war with another country, each of them should be required to send their first born child or perhaps their brother's first born child to the front lines to fight for our country's interests. Perhaps then, we would find a way to get along with our neighbors.

Evil, injustice and man's inhumanity is everywhere, not just abroad and it must be fought and we like all nations send our strongest and bravest young people to answer our country's call to war. This war in the Middle East is going to result in an even greater civil war. It may become one of the most brutal civil wars that have ever been fought. I don't have a solution. It is far too complex and those that would have us bring our young men and women home today, do not bear my resentment. I have great empathy for them, greater than most will ever know. There is a growing risk in the world, a madness that can only result in added world chaos. As I age and try to recognize the warring parties and what they are fighting for, I see age old prejudices based on religion as the single fuel of this madness. Religious factions and countries are siding with one another over money and power, using religious beliefs to stoke the fire of hatred for their neighbors, friends and even family. This poison seems to be in every religion and those in power use it effectively. I would like to think that we are doing some good in the Middle East but it appears we have opened Pandora's Box. History may make the brutal dictator Saddam Hussein look like a moderate before this is over.

It is my empathy that I share with our soldiers and the frustration that I feel as an individual that moved me to create the POW-MIA cue. As an individual, I know that there is little that I can do to resolve the problems of the world. I have enough difficulty taking care of my own little problems in the safe comforts of my own little cocoon, while my young brothers and sisters go off to fight and risk everything that they have for you and me and country.

Many people were consulted for this creation and enormous amounts of time were spent in the creation of this one of a kind POW-MIA cue/case.

When people see the POW-MIA cue/case I want them to take pause and think about the price of war.

This cue's creation was my personal whisper of remembrance, to honor the sacrifices made by all of our soldiers past, present and future; especially the POW's and MIA's. It hurts to know that there is so much noise in the world that my whisper could not be heard.

Joey Aguzin
 
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jay helfert said:
Hey Everybody,

This is Mason King, Managing Editor of Billiards Digest. I'm having Jay post a response to Joey's thread for me.



Of course, we have a small section called "Wand Workshop", in which we detail the process behind
creating particular custom cues. This content is handled by an outside freelancer, and often
is planned several months in advance, without my involvement.



I received the cue content for the March issue very late in the deadline process,
much later than normal. To my surprise, it was another POW-MIA themed cue.
It's similar enough to Joey's cue that I originally believed it WAS his cue.
What a great coincidence I thought. Not until I laid out the feature,
just a couple of days before deadline, did it register
that the cue in fact belonged to another collector.
Mason King


"Wand Workshop" Mr. mangling editor is nothing more than free advertising for Martyne Bachmans Chalkers.com site

You actually pay her to let her pimp her cues in your magazine. :eek:
 
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