Billiards Halls Removing Pool Tables

JAM

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Yeah, that's right. In New York City, no less.

The American print media strikes again with their description of pool: "losing money to pool hall hustlers" and "running from pool hustlers and bullets."

The latest trend, it would seem, is that pool is taking a back burner to ping-pong. The headline in The New York Times reads: "Back-and-Forth Sport Back Again." In other words, table tennis.

Susan Sarandon, the actress, discovered the game through her son Miles, 16. Wally Green, 29, from the Marlboro Houses in Coney Island, picked up the game after losing money to pool hall hustlers. "There was no table tennis over there," Mr. Green said of the Marlboro Houses. "There was a lot of bullets going over, but no table tennis."

GEESH! :angry: :angry: :angry:

Continuing: Ms. Sarandon was not running from pool hustlers or bullets when she became interested in the game.

Thank the good Lord! :embarrassed2:

Continuing: "I started finding out that there was this subculture of Ping-Pong and all these people that you wouldn't expect are serious about it,' she said.

"I just worked with Ed Norton, and he's so committed that he trained in China while he was shooting a film there."


And I thought Ed Norton would be GREAT in a pool movie, but now I read he's training as a champion ping-pong player. :rolleyes:

Continuing: Now, it seems, this secret society may soon emerge from behind unmarked doors: the trickle of places in the city that serve up the sport is becoming a flow.

Here's the killer: Some billiards halls are removing pool tables to make way for the sport. Fat Cat, a sprawling shabby chic spot featuring jazz and games in the West Village, added three table tennis tables over the summer, and plans to add more to the 10 it now has.

Continuing: "We just have a lot more people who want to play," said Noah Sapir, 32, the owner. "Every night of the week we have a waiting list."

I've heard it all now, a waiting list for ping-pong. :eek:

Continuing: Slate, a hall with 16 pool tables near Madison Square Park, reports waiting times of an hour for its six table tennis tables. Ocean's 8 at Brownstone, in Park Slope, Brooklyn, added its first five tables this year because customers using its 33 pool tables kept asking to play.

Soon the corporate sponsors will come forth, and we'll be seeing more ping-pong on ESPN: A tournament in the spring in Brooklyn, at the Powerhouse Arena, a gallery, attracted 32 corporate teams representing entities like Google, MTV, Red Bull and Comedy Central. There were lines out the door, said Khairi Mdnor, the organizer.

Now there's an increase in the sport of ping-pong:
USA Table Tennis, the sport's national organizing body in the United States, said it has had a steady increase in membership of just below 10 percent since 2006. There are 457 Yahoo groups related to the sport, including ones for collegiate players (almost 2,000 members, 53 new ones in a recent week) and regional groups of about 500 members.

Three filmmakers, Jonathan Bricklin, Bill Mack and Franck Raharinosy, have teamed with Andrew Gordon, a former investment banker, to open a 12,800-square-foot table tennis and social club on Park Avenue near Madison Square Park. The filmmakers became accidental promoters when they put a table in their loft office for their own amusement a couple of years ago.

"People would come over all the time to play us," said Mr. Mack, 35. "Our then-girlfriends got tired of it and made us limit it to one night."

That night became an unexpected hit, attracting the likes of Owen Wilson, Salman Rushdie, 50 Cent, the Beastie Boys, Jimmy Buffett and as many attractive people as there were lightweight hollow balls.

They decided to build on that success and convert a former Mattress King into a large club. Spin New York will open in March.

"It's the sport of the future," said Mr. Bricklin, 31.


Say it isn't so! The future of the sport?

"It's so simple that there's no barrier to entry. And it has a carnival game-esque mind trick that makes you think that you could win at any possible moment. On any given Sunday you could beat someone who is potentially much, much better than you. That element is very exciting and addictive."

Other theories on the appeal of the game, which started in England at the end of the 19th century as an after-dinner amusement, include its fast pace, the unique sounds of the game, its health benefits and, paradoxically, the fact that you can play while drinking or smoking.


Well, there it is. "Exciting and addictive," as well as the fact that "you can play while drinking or smoking."

Sounds like pool to me! :thumbup: I can see the new movie tagline now: The ping-pong hustler isn't what he used to be, but he has the next best thing: a kid who is. Be on the lookout the Academy Award-winning movie coming to a theater near you: "SMASH!"

Movie Star Susan Sarandon enjoying the sport of table tennis. :grin-square:
 

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Talk about a game room, here's a description of Fat Cat's in NYC: Fat Cat's enormous space is equipped with 10 pool tables, 10 ping pong tables, 3 shuffleboard tables, 3 foosball machines, and enough chess (with time clocks), checkers, backgammon, and scrabble sets to satisfy a mob.

Rates:

POOL, PING PONG, SHUFFLEBOARD FOOSBALL
$5 per person/hour, $6 on Fri/Sat $1 per game

CHESS, CHECKERS, SCRABBLE, BACKGAMMON, GO
$1 per person

Hours of Operation:

2 p.m. to 5 a.m., Monday through Thursday
12 p.m. to 5 a.m., Friday through Sunday

Fat Cat's website: http://www.fatcatmusic.org/gaming.html
 
Ping Pong

Dartman said:
There's your answer.

I was thinking topless women's ping-pong in the Olympics.

It would have to be planned to the women's beach volleyball did not occur at the same time.

:thumbup:
 
If people want ping pong and are willing to pay for it, and if room owners can make more money on ping pong than they can on pool, what can we say? They are in business to make a living.

Pool isn't dead but I think it's long term future is in our basements and rec rooms.

Dave Nelson
 
Just like when color of money came out! Balls of fury has done it for table tennis ! In china we call it ping pong!LOL
 
Dave Nelson said:
If people want ping pong and are willing to pay for it, and if room owners can make more money on ping pong than they can on pool, what can we say? They are in business to make a living.

Pool isn't dead but I think it's long term future is in our basements and rec rooms.

Dave Nelson

Pool is no fad and is not going anywhere. There is no money to be made in ping pong. It takes even more sq. ft of floor space for a ping pong table and play area then a pool table. No one is playing ping pong all day running up a big tab. You can't really drink and eat while playing ping pong. Also, it is very easy to put in a ping pong table at home so there is no real need to go out and spend $50.00 a night playing at a ping pong hall. The one advantage ping pong may have on pool is, it sounds like it is pretty well organized. Things may come and go but pool will always be with us. Maybe not on the scale we would wish, but it's not going anywhere.
 
My favorite local hall has had a ping pong table for as long as I've been visiting. It gets good use.

The best we can do is make the best of our game. Getting upset over another game won't help.

Dave
 
I went to a pool room in Tennessee that had an archery range inside. It was pretty cool. The owner liked archery, and he also played pool with anybody who came to town, as long as they gave him a spot. He loved playing pool champions. :smile:

I found this article very interesting in that it is very reflective of how the American media portrays pool.

Pool cannot rise in popularity in the U.S. with an American media sucker-punching it every time the word "billiards" is mentioned. Of course, many within American's own pool culture think pro pool players are the scum of the earth and write about it quite often on this forum -- not everybody, but quite a few.

I actually enjoy ping-pong. I have a table set up in my basement, and it's good exercise. You can really work up a sweat playing ping-pong. :smile:

I also have a pool table in my basement, and it never gets played anymore.

My computer is running 24/7, though, with online poker games.
 
Macguy

I didn't mean that I thought pool rooms will disappear. I just think we will not see the time again when there were 6 or 8 rooms in the
Chicago loop.

I have a good room so close that I could walk to it in 20 minutes. If it closed I would go to the next closest, 6 miles, which I do sometimes anyway. Those of us who really like the game will go where we have to go to play.

Keep shootin.

Dave Nelson
 
Susan Sarandon is a pretty hot older chick! :D There is a poolroom in Atalnta that took out about 4 Gold Crown IVs and put in 10 fooseball games.....what the hell??????
 
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Anybody who is serious about Table Tennis contact me for your custom Ivory and Ebony 2 piece paddle with Alligator case. HEH
 
Happened right here in the Valley of the Sun recently, CLICK in Phoenix removed 3 of their 4.5's x 9.0's to put in a Sport Bar lounge. Clicks I think still ha over 15 tables, but?

The other side of the coin is JIMBO's Sports Bar, in GLENDALE Arizona. not owned by our own JIMBO, expand from (2) to (5) BAR BOX Tables, and added a smoking patio.
 
I would imagine that the recent increase in the interest in ping pong is largely due to the Bejing games. That will fade over time. I'm not knocking ping pong just because they make it out to be in competition with pool, but I wouldn't invest my money in a ping pong parlor or sign my name to a lease on retail space in Manhattan in the hopes it would be a long-term success, especially when everyone has room for a fold-up ping pong table in their house and it only costs a couple of hundred dollars.

For those pool halls that have put in some ping pong tables, maybe just maybe in the long term it will bring in a new crowd that will end up taking to the game of billiards, which in turn may help the growth of our game. I personally would hate the constant noise, and some guy on the table next door crashing in to you as you are going for the money ball because he's diving for a ping pong ball, but you have to take the bad with the good so to speak. The billiard room closest to my house has a juke box and when someone feeds that thing I just cringe. But many people come to drink or play pool strictly as a diversion, and want to listen to music while they do so. At least it keeps the doors open.

I recall bowling was in serious trouble several years ago, at least out here on the left coast. Then someone had the bright idea to blast techno music and turned down the house lights and flash blacklights on day-glo painted pins. Now the alleys rock on Friday and Saturday nights. If you're a serious bowler it is probably not a great turn of events, but at least it keeps the alley open so you're tuesday night league still has a place to bowl.
 
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Did somebody say Ping Pong???

Billiard Den in Dallas has 1 table. It's very popular!

I think most of pool players like anything we can gamble on!! LOL.

Ray
(Efren of ping pong).....and I didn't even know it!

I learned it from my Grandma!
 

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