Bobby Pickle Report
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This is simply not true, not in Missouri, not in any other state . The friend in the car in this case could not be convicted of anything. What you are thinking of is if you are aware of or involved with the committing of a felony, and then someone ends up getting murdered during the commission of that felony, then you could be convicted of murder, same as the guy that pulled the trigger. The friend in the car would have to know his buddy was going in the store to rob it for example, in order for him to also be charged with murder. He could also be charged for failure to report the crime after the fact (this is rarely prosecuted), because failure to do so now makes you involved.watchez said:
Bobby could not have been convicted for being passed out during a robbery he had no knowledge of either. He could have been convicted if he had prior knowledge that a robbery might happen and chose stay along anyway rather than reporting it.
Getting busted for drugs in this country sucks. Could be worse, could be in a place where they'd chop off the offenders head for marijuana possession.
But that aside, Prosecutors just want to get convictions to boost up their resume so to speak, cops just want to bust people to boost up their ego, etc... Not that this is always the case, but there are a good number of people sitting in prison with non-violent drug offenses that probably would have never hurt a soul. Its not fair for people to prosecuted for drug/distrubition offenses... when you could pretty much throw a rock anywhere east of the mississippi and be within a block of store that sells either alcohol or cigarettes.
As a country we spend more money on alcohol related crime, injuries, and rehabilitation than all other illegal drugs combined.
In any case, I wish anyone that has been in at the blunt end of the stick in regards to drugs and the judicial system the best of luck. It ain't a pretty scene.
But that aside, Prosecutors just want to get convictions to boost up their resume so to speak, cops just want to bust people to boost up their ego, etc... Not that this is always the case, but there are a good number of people sitting in prison with non-violent drug offenses that probably would have never hurt a soul. Its not fair for people to prosecuted for drug/distrubition offenses... when you could pretty much throw a rock anywhere east of the mississippi and be within a block of store that sells either alcohol or cigarettes.
As a country we spend more money on alcohol related crime, injuries, and rehabilitation than all other illegal drugs combined.
In any case, I wish anyone that has been in at the blunt end of the stick in regards to drugs and the judicial system the best of luck. It ain't a pretty scene.
The laws very greatly state to state....
Hi I'm debbie and I'm an alcoholic as well. It has been my experience that every thing is relevant and perception is a funny thing.
The first conviction & the second for that matter prove that some of us were blessed with having (better) or more careful friends. People that surround us and warn us off when they get a bad feeling.
Don't flame me but I have always understood that a friend will help you move, but a real friend will help you move the body.
Back on point. My prayers are with you Bobby. No matter how nice some of those people you meet inside are. Don't, I repeat don't, carry them into your outside life. After all they already got caught at least once.
Addiction and Alcoholism and lots of other isms are insidious diseases. Always waiting to sneak up on us at the most inoportune time.
easy-e said:
Hi I'm debbie and I'm an alcoholic as well. It has been my experience that every thing is relevant and perception is a funny thing.
The first conviction & the second for that matter prove that some of us were blessed with having (better) or more careful friends. People that surround us and warn us off when they get a bad feeling.
Don't flame me but I have always understood that a friend will help you move, but a real friend will help you move the body.
Back on point. My prayers are with you Bobby. No matter how nice some of those people you meet inside are. Don't, I repeat don't, carry them into your outside life. After all they already got caught at least once.
Addiction and Alcoholism and lots of other isms are insidious diseases. Always waiting to sneak up on us at the most inoportune time.
The best cure for drinking I know of is to run pool rooms with a full bars for 20 years!
Taking care of all the problems caused from alcohol abuse by the patrons on a daily basis cured me from drinking early on!
I felt like a high priced babysitter and a low paid taxi service!
Stones
Taking care of all the problems caused from alcohol abuse by the patrons on a daily basis cured me from drinking early on!
I felt like a high priced babysitter and a low paid taxi service!
Stones
A REAL friend would NEVER ask a friend for help in moving the body.
I believe that a guy passed out in the back seat could get convicted of armed robbery... or whatever, if his friend did the deed. The jury just wouldn't believe that he didn't know about it.
All it took, back in the day, was long hair, colored skin, tats, a bike, or havin a reputation as being one o'dem ner' do well.. stay out late.. gamblin.. pool player "types"... and you are BUSTED!
And we're not talking "regular" busted. We talkin... Signed/sealed/delivered/convicted/no questions asked/time doin BUSTED.
Hasn't changed much either. All it takes is a jury of good ol boy peers. Sad but all too true.
I believe that a guy passed out in the back seat could get convicted of armed robbery... or whatever, if his friend did the deed. The jury just wouldn't believe that he didn't know about it.
All it took, back in the day, was long hair, colored skin, tats, a bike, or havin a reputation as being one o'dem ner' do well.. stay out late.. gamblin.. pool player "types"... and you are BUSTED!
And we're not talking "regular" busted. We talkin... Signed/sealed/delivered/convicted/no questions asked/time doin BUSTED.
Hasn't changed much either. All it takes is a jury of good ol boy peers. Sad but all too true.
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Jim you are wrong
Jim you are wrong but on only one count. It doesn't take a jury of good old boys to get you hung for guilt by association. Most juries regardless of how they are composed are likely to convict if the prosecutor is sly enough to get out some past history or present lifestyle of the defendant that the jury is likely to view as displeasing. Appearance and the ability to speak well or not go a long way towards getting you convicted or freed too.
I have been a witness or expert witness in a few jury trials and made a few appearances in court myself. The way the case is presented has much more to do with a client being found guilty or innocent than facts or reality. That is why jail time is inversely proportional to the amount of money spent on your defense team. That is a true statement that crosses all race and other lines.
You never ever get a jury of your peers. I was called in for jury duty in federal court twice as a young man. Neither side wanted a young white male on the jury that had longish hair and a beard, especially in my case. I was a small blue collar business owner which spelled possible trouble for the defense and I had enough hair and beard back when beards were not nearly as common to make the prosecutor nervous. I wasted a week at $3 a day that didn't even cover gas back then because there was no way in hell I was sitting on a jury.
Hu
Jim you are wrong but on only one count. It doesn't take a jury of good old boys to get you hung for guilt by association. Most juries regardless of how they are composed are likely to convict if the prosecutor is sly enough to get out some past history or present lifestyle of the defendant that the jury is likely to view as displeasing. Appearance and the ability to speak well or not go a long way towards getting you convicted or freed too.
I have been a witness or expert witness in a few jury trials and made a few appearances in court myself. The way the case is presented has much more to do with a client being found guilty or innocent than facts or reality. That is why jail time is inversely proportional to the amount of money spent on your defense team. That is a true statement that crosses all race and other lines.
You never ever get a jury of your peers. I was called in for jury duty in federal court twice as a young man. Neither side wanted a young white male on the jury that had longish hair and a beard, especially in my case. I was a small blue collar business owner which spelled possible trouble for the defense and I had enough hair and beard back when beards were not nearly as common to make the prosecutor nervous. I wasted a week at $3 a day that didn't even cover gas back then because there was no way in hell I was sitting on a jury.
Hu
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