Bobby Pickle Report

[PROG8R]

Wow. This sucks. I would have to ask myself if I could stay silent or turn tail and give up all the info I had on the others. I guess in my case I would have not put myself in that situation and associate with people who might be known to carry or deal in such substances. Just the thought of losing my freedom over someone else?s decisions gives me the chills, friends or not, I could not risk getting caught. I guess past experiences have put me on the defensive and I always think the worst in situations and try to stay clear. I feel bad for him and hope that he gets out soon and stays away from certain elements that can further harm his case. Maybe someone who is in or is often near situations like this can learn from it and make a better decision based on what has transpired here.

 

[Charlie Edwards]

Possession with intent.

I don't know any of the parties involved. From an outsider looking in I'd say Bobby Pickle has a great, true-blue friend in you. You would feel just as bad for him whether or not there is more to the story than he is telling you... but for your own piece of mind you should talk to the DA's office and/or the police just to make sure you are getting all the facts.

 

[av84fun]

I don't know any of the parties involved. From an outsider looking in I'd say Bobby Pickle has a great, true-blue friend in you. You would feel just as bad for him whether or not there is more to the story than he is telling you... but for your own piece of mind you should talk to the DA's office and/or the police just to make sure you are getting all the facts.

Thanks for the true blue freind comment. Yes I am. Being a "friend" is easy when everything is going well. It is when the chips are down, you find out who your freinds are....both of them!! (-:

I have done all the things you mentioned...and more....and I testifed under oath at his hearing. I usually like to have my facts straight when false answers can get you charged with perjury!! (-:

I can say the following because it is a matter of public record. The one thing that has hurt Bobby VERY BADLY in his life was an armed robbery conviction when he was in his teens or early 20's. But the FACT of the matter is that Bobby was passed out drunk in the back seat of his BROTHER'S car (he later blew 1.7 which was TWICE the legal standard for being drunk so no wonder he was passed out)...at which time his brother decided to hold up a convenience store.

The car was overtaken after a high speed chase and Bobby was pulled out of the car...STILL UNCONSCIOUS according the the police report that I read with my own eyes.

And yet he was charged AND CONVICTED of armed robbery!!! When you have what is considered to be a "violent crime" on your record, you get ZERO breaks from the criminal justice system in the future.

Without getting into more details, that tragic experience has plagued Bobby ever since. And the Memphis judge cited that conviction SPECIFICALLY, in his ruling to deny him probation.

I thought Bobby was going to cry when the judge said that...but he had too much HEART to break down....but I didn't.

)-:

Jim

Regards,
Jim

 

[Russ Chewning]

I can say the following because it is a matter of public record. The one thing that has hurt Bobby VERY BADLY in his life was an armed robbery conviction when he was in his teens or early 20's. But the FACT of the matter is that Bobby was passed out drunk in the back seat of his BROTHER'S car (he later blew 1.7 which was TWICE the legal standard for being drunk so no wonder he was passed out)...at which time his brother decided to hold up a convenience store.

The car was overtaken after a high speed chase and Bobby was pulled out of the car...STILL UNCONSCIOUS according the the police report that I read with my own eyes.

And yet he was charged AND CONVICTED of armed robbery!!! When you have what is considered to be a "violent crime" on your record, you get ZERO breaks from the criminal justice system in the future.

Regards,
Jim

Let me say in advance, I am making absolutely NO judgement on Bobby's current situation, but I gotta ask:

Where are you getting the above information? because if things happened the way you say they happened with the prior conviction, that means he was railroaded by a couple of completely corrupt cops.

I'd be interested in seeing the police report from that prior conviction. I'm not saying it's a bogus story, just that I find it EXTREMELY unlikely he was really passed out and got convicted of armed robbery anyways.

Russ

 

[watchez]

av84fun (and Russ)-

Unfortunately the instances you describe in Bobby's life are laws that don't seem fair but still a law. Here in Missouri, for instance, if you are with a friend and he drives up to a convenience store as Bobby's brother did & tells you he is going in for a pack of cigarettes. Once inside, if your friend holds the place up and kills the clerk - you can be tried for murder as well just for sitting in the car outside.

There is a famous KC mobster that went to prison because his son was in the car while another kid went into a hotel to buy drugs & shot and killed an agent running a sting operation (not knowing that a famous mobster's son was outside) They put the kid in the car up for murder as well & the KC mobster finally had to agree to take a plea himself for drug trafficing to save his son. Now that is pressure from the cops. I can't find the story but it was even on one of those A&E documentaries years ago.

The first time I saw Bobby was, I believe, 2002 Vegas. He won the singles title & then immediately put it in action. You could never doubt Bobby's heart & gamble.

Best of luck to Bobby - hope the days go fast & he puts this behind him.

 

[Celtic]

I have to agree with Russ, the whole thing sounds a little far fetched. If the facts were as they are being presented here any half assed lawyer would have been able to assure that BP was not going to be convicted and sent to jail for 3 years. You don't get charged for possesion of narcotics because your "friend" has some drugs in HIS suitcase in a room you just happen to be using. If Bobby were totally innocent in any way why not just demand a drug test be done right after he was arrested? They find he is drug free, they are clearly wrong, end of story. If there is actually a police report that says Bobby was passed out in the back of a car while the hold up was done and the police chase was on then clearly the cops were not hiding anything, and yet how do you get charged with the actual act if you were actually unconsious for the whole thing? Seriously, this is why lawyers exist, and any worth their weight in salt would manage to quash this kind of crap if the story is actually how we are being told.

 

[Deadon]

"Possession with intent", that means to distribute or sell. Means they found a something more than a roach and a line. Probably a pretty good amount before they charge intent to sell. Also, .17, not 1.7, which is more than twice the legal limit (.08) is hardly a buzz and certainly not enough to make you, or anyone, pass out.

BTW, maybe his attorney did suck, lots do, especially appointed ones. But maybe the true facts aren't as you understand them to be.

 

[Celtic]

av84fun (and Russ)-

Unfortunately the instances you describe in Bobby's life are laws that don't seem fair but still a law. Here in Missouri, for instance, if you are with a friend and he drives up to a convenience store as Bobby's brother did & tells you he is going in for a pack of cigarettes. Once inside, if your friend holds the place up and kills the clerk - you can be tried for murder as well just for sitting in the car outside.

You can be charged for almost anything the DA thinks they have a case on. What you can be convicted for is quite different. Using your example if you are in a car driving and your buddy goes in to rob the store and kill the clerk, you knowing full well this is going to happen and you just happen to be the getaway driver then ya, you will be charged as well. If you actually don't have a clue what is happening, they might try to charge you with it but the chances of it sticking are slim to none because they actually have to put some serious evidence out there to get a conviction, and Bobby being passed out in the back of a car during a robbery would bring in some serious reasonable doubt a lawyer would push home. Now I am guessing you meant he blew a .17, that is twice the legal driving limit where I live of .08, and that is not a huge amount of alchohol, almost anyone will get to that level on 5-6 drinks within an hour or so and most are not passing out drunk after 5 or 6 drinks within an hour. It is doubtful that you are at .17 and unconsious in the back of a car while the police are chasing you with the sirens blasting away and your brother up front swearing and swerving.

None of it adds up. I doubt he is the complete "wrong place wrong time" case you are making it out that he is.

 

[sixpack]

I have to agree with Russ, the whole thing sounds a little far fetched. If the facts were as they are being presented here any half assed lawyer would have been able to assure that BP was not going to be convicted and sent to jail for 3 years. You don't get charged for possesion of narcotics because your "friend" has some drugs in HIS suitcase in a room you just happen to be using. If Bobby were totally innocent in any way why not just demand a drug test be done right after he was arrested? They find he is drug free, they are clearly wrong, end of story. If there is actually a police report that says Bobby was passed out in the back of a car while the hold up was done and the police chase was on then clearly the cops were not hiding anything, and yet how do you get charged with the actual act if you were actually unconsious for the whole thing? Seriously, this is why lawyers exist, and any worth their weight in salt would manage to quash this kind of crap if the story is actually how we are being told.

I don't know man. There was a girl in Denver who I believe is sitting in jail now for killing a police officer even though she was in handcuffs in police custody when he was shot by someone else.

She asked some friends of hers to help her get stuff from her ex-boyfriend's house, he called the cops. She was arrested, her friend that helped her shot a policeman and was himself shot and killed. She was tried and convicted of killing a police officer.

Another one was a man and woman arguing in a Denny's. A police man tries to quiet them down and the boyfriend starts to get belligerent and an African-American dude in the diner jumps up and approaches. The policeman shoots and kills the black guy. So how does the justice play out?

Oh, the black guy is an off-duty cop who was trying to rush to the aid of the policeman.

Easy. The guy and girl arguing both get convicted of killing a police officer and spend the rest of their lives in jail.

Fair? Doesn't seem so. Anytime the police are involved, any bizarre, crazy thing can happen.

~rc

 

[ironman]

Thanks for the true blue freind comment. Yes I am. Being a "friend" is easy when everything is going well. It is when the chips are down, you find out who your freinds are....both of them!! (-:

I have done all the things you mentioned...and more....and I testifed under oath at his hearing. I usually like to have my facts straight when false answers can get you charged with perjury!! (-:

I can say the following because it is a matter of public record. The one thing that has hurt Bobby VERY BADLY in his life was an armed robbery conviction when he was in his teens or early 20's. But the FACT of the matter is that Bobby was passed out drunk in the back seat of his BROTHER'S car (he later blew 1.7 which was TWICE the legal standard for being drunk so no wonder he was passed out)...at which time his brother decided to hold up a convenience store.

The car was overtaken after a high speed chase and Bobby was pulled out of the car...STILL UNCONSCIOUS according the the police report that I read with my own eyes.

And yet he was charged AND CONVICTED of armed robbery!!! When you have what is considered to be a "violent crime" on your record, you get ZERO breaks from the criminal justice system in the future.

Without getting into more details, that tragic experience has plagued Bobby ever since. And the Memphis judge cited that conviction SPECIFICALLY, in his ruling to deny him probation.

I thought Bobby was going to cry when the judge said that...but he had too much HEART to break down....but I didn't.

)-:

Jim

Regards,
Jim

Jim,
I feel the pain you are going through and understand how tough something like this can be when one truly wants to be a friend. I went through something similar and it was just brutal to witness.
My friend went through and beat a couple of things and one he beat because he was on the road with me in OKC and found about 8 witnesses. He kept his nose clean for a couple of years, but had a thing for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Then, they got him.
This time he had no escape and he was facing hard time. He packed up and hit the road leaving behind 2 beautiful kids and a great wife and has never been seen agin. That was about 17 years ago. It was a gut wrenching ordeal for the whole family.
Being a good friend is not always easy and life is not always fair. I'm sure Bobby appreciates your friendship as they are hard to come by.
Please don't take this wrong, but 10 months is just that, 10 months. The judge could have come down much harder and gave Bobby room to help himself by doing quiet time and getting out rather quickly. Hopefully this happens and he can put this all behind him.
Your pain is obvious and friendship is most admirable.

 

[JimS]

A BAC of .17% would not be anywhere near enough to cause most people in normal circumstances to pass out. Now if he'd been up a couple days or something or if he had some other drugs in his system as well... maybe.

 

[ironman]

A BAC of .17% would not be anywhere near enough to cause most people in normal circumstances to pass out. Now if he'd been up a couple days or something or if he had some other drugs in his system as well... maybe.

From where we sit, that point is tough to argue. There are all kinds of circumstances for each case. What has happened has happened and nothing is going to change it.

I'm not nearly as concerned with what has happened to Bobby as I am what is going to hahppen with Bobby. I doubt he gives up easily on anything and particularly himself.

 

[JAM]

One thing for sure, you find out who your TRUE friends are when a tragedy like this happens.

I do believe that Bobby Pickle was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and I think he got the short end of the stick because of preconceived perceptions and an unfortunate existing track record.

That said, believe you me, 10 months ain't as bad as it could have been. Hopefully, he will remain at a detention center, since it is less than 2 years, and will be out before Christmas.

God bless you, Bobby Pickle. I will say a prayer for you to get through the tough times. I think the toughest thing that Bobby Pickle is facing right now is the fact that he cannot smoke cigarettes in jail, as most jails today allow NO SMOKING, but I have a feeling that he will get through this 10 months just fine. He's got that kind of personality that everybody seems to get along with. After all, he's got the gift of gab!

Picture of Bobby Pickle in the middle, taken at the 2004 U.S. Open with two Keiths.

JAM

 

[JAM]

Another cute shot of Bobby Pickle at the 2004 Super Billiards Expo in Valley Forge.

Here he is in the action pit, playing for $100 a game, plus all the side action he could muster up.

Right before he sinks the money ball, Bobby pauses, like he's supposed to do, addressing the shot. He held the table for a spell that day and made himself a nice chunk of change!

JAM

 

[corvette1340]

A BAC of .17% would not be anywhere near enough to cause most people in normal circumstances to pass out. Now if he'd been up a couple days or something or if he had some other drugs in his system as well... maybe.

when I got my DUI I blew .19 and I thought I was driving fairly sober. And I was compared to how I usually was during those times. At the time I was living in Athens and getting black out drunk a couple of times a week.

 

[JAM]

A person who drinks excessively on a daily basis can blow a .19 and walk a straight line.

Maintenance drinkers, those who black out as an example, can still function just fine blowing a .19.

Whereas, the social drinker, one who does not drink every day but may get drunk when he/she does drink, would not be able to function well if they blew a .19.

An alcoholic is an alcoholic, whether he/she drinks every day or on occasion, if it poses a problem for them, such driving after consuming above the legal limit for alcohol. Being on probation, having your insurance rates jacked up or losing a driver's license, all cause major problems in one's quality of life. Then there's the loved ones who always seem to suffer when those they love go through the throes of alcohol abuse.

For most people, depending on their weight, anything above two drinks, they will be considered as driving while impaired since the limit is .08 and .10 in most States today.

Hi. My name is Jennie, and I'm an alcoholic, even though I don't drink today.

JAM

 

[corvette1340]

A person who drinks excessively on a daily basis can blow a .19 and walk a straight line.

Maintenance drinkers, those who black out as an example, can still function just fine blowing a .19.

Whereas, the social drinker, one who does not drink every day but may get drunk when he/she does drink, would not be able to function well if they blew a .19.

An alcoholic is an alcoholic, whether he/she drinks every day or on occasion, if it poses a problem for them, such driving after consuming above the legal limit for alcohol. Being on probation, having your insurance rates jacked up or losing a driver's license, all cause major problems in one's quality of life. Then there's the loved ones who always seem to suffer when those they love go through the throes of alcohol abuse.

For most people, depending on their weight, anything above two drinks, they will be considered as driving while impaired since the limit is .08 and .10 in most States today.

Hi. My name is Jennie, and I'm an alcoholic, even though I don't drink today.

JAM

Jam,
From the time I was 20 until around 3 years ago (10 year span of college, lol) I was considered a binge drinker I guess. Today I drink maybe once every 3-4 months or so, whenever a special event arises such as a big tourney where all of my friends are coming into town for or such.

During that ten year span I drank 2-3 times a week and got absolutely blasted every time. There was no social drinking about it. If I was going to have a drink, then I would drink 20, along w/shots etc. I've never done any kind of drugs, but I know that I've done a lot of stupid stuff because of alcohol. Besides wasting tons of money, I also put a strain on several family relationships because of the way I was living. Going out and hooking up with a different woman every night, blacking out, and not going to class or work because I had a hangover was in the norm.

My life was basically going to shit and then I got the DUI. Luckily my parents once again bailed me out, but I moved back from Athens went to work for my dad and settled down. I now have a nice home, wonderful wife, and beautiful daughter. When I tell people this, usually they just say, "well, you were just young, a lot of people do that", but I don't see a lot of people doing it, only a few. I know it was all my fault and I am making up for lost time with my family. I like to kid a lot on here because I think that humor is a big part of being positive and I am the biggest optimist I know. I've been lucky in my life with the family I have and a lot of other things and am grateful for everything I've been given. I sincerely hope that anyone that has been negatively affected by alcohol or drugs gets their situations straightened out like I did.

 

[watchez]

You can be charged for almost anything the DA thinks they have a case on. What you can be convicted for is quite different. Using your example if you are in a car driving and your buddy goes in to rob the store and kill the clerk, you knowing full well this is going to happen and you just happen to be the getaway driver then ya, you will be charged as well. If you actually don't have a clue what is happening, they might try to charge you with it but the chances of it sticking are slim to none because they actually have to put some serious evidence out there to get a conviction, and Bobby being passed out in the back of a car during a robbery would bring in some serious reasonable doubt a lawyer would push home.

So using your logic - I could just keep being the getaway driver in robberies and if I ever get caught, just simply say I had no idea what was happening and it will be my word versus theirs. Sweet - I won't even need a high priced lawyer for that simple defense.

Thus - the reason that Missouri (& most states) have such laws that being with a friend at a crime is the basically the same as committing the crime. In case you didn't realize it, most criminals lie.

 

[iba7467]

Jam,
From the time I was 20 until around 3 years ago (10 year span of college, lol) I was considered a binge drinker I guess. Today I drink maybe once every 3-4 months or so, whenever a special event arises such as a big tourney where all of my friends are coming into town for or such.

I sincerely hope that anyone that has been negatively affected by alcohol or drugs gets their situations straightened out like I did.

An alcoholic is an alcoholic, whether he/she drinks every day or on occasion, if it poses a problem for them, such driving after consuming above the legal limit for alcohol. Being on probation, having your insurance rates jacked up or losing a driver's license, all cause major problems in one's quality of life. Then there's the loved ones who always seem to suffer when those they love go through the throes of alcohol abuse.
....

Hi. My name is Jennie, and I'm an alcoholic, even though I don't drink today.

JAM

It's nice to see you two playing nice for a change. If this type of civility keeps up, I may have to start cyber-slapping people to stay awake on here.

 

[corvette1340]

It's nice to see you two playing nice for a change. If this type of civility keeps up, I may have to start cyber-slapping people to stay awake on here.

Im not sure she wants to play nice Iba, although Im all for it. I was just acknowledging the fact that alcohol abuse is very prevalent and I understand this first hand like many that post here or are involved in the pool world.