Now Thats Funny
I'M NOT GETTIN INVOLVED IN THE DESIGN THEFT THING HERE, BUT THIS MADE ME LAUGH. THANKS FOR THE CHUCKLE JOE.
I'M NOT GETTIN INVOLVED IN THE DESIGN THEFT THING HERE, BUT THIS MADE ME LAUGH. THANKS FOR THE CHUCKLE JOE.
Brand new Paul Mottey for sale
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FAST_N_LOOSE said:
Yeah you better not.. you know you are really just collecting Bushka knock offs LOL...
Joe
classiccues said:
THAT'S WHY I WAS STAYING AWAY FROM THIS DISCUSSION.
Pictures Of The Boti Cue
HERE ARE THE PICS I GOT FROM BARBARA. I'LL KEEP MY 2 CENTS OUT, UNTIL THERE ARE OTHER REPLIES.
HERE ARE THE PICS I GOT FROM BARBARA. I'LL KEEP MY 2 CENTS OUT, UNTIL THERE ARE OTHER REPLIES.
I will say that there is an uncanny resemblance, but the but design is different... similar, but different.
You've gotta figure that at the rate the cues are produced, things will be this similar on MANY occassions.... I mean - how many ways can you decorate the standard 4pt veneered cue???
You've gotta figure that at the rate the cues are produced, things will be this similar on MANY occassions.... I mean - how many ways can you decorate the standard 4pt veneered cue???
1pRoscoe said:
The resemblance I take to heart is with the ring. Just how many rings do you see like that? It was Barry's 4th such ring. And I received the cue in January, 1997.
Barry came up with the "phantom diamond" design in the butt in between the regular diamonds. I was actually going for diamonds with dots between them, like Paul's design, but Barry upgraded the design to what you see.
Sorry about the pics, they don't do justice to this cue.
Barbara
Barbara said:
Hi Barbara,
How are you? Here, I put them side by side on a page for you. You are right, they are similar. They are both classic beauties made by terrific cue makers.
Congratulations.
Chris
Szamboti and Mottey
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The Boti cue looks like a standard four point cue, basic inlay work, with a Buska ring. This similar design has been duplicated by many cue makers over the past years, more than likely it will be duplicated by many cue makers in future years. I don't understand, why make such a bid deal about a Buska ring. The cue is not a one of a kind. Enjoy your cue Barbara.
Barbara said:
Barbara,
Even Jimbo would probably agree that this Mottey is similar in design but not a copy. Since Paul is such a good copier, surely he would have gotten the materials and arrangement of inlays right. Heck, SC's Szamboti-style Mottey passed the Jimbo test.
(just in jest....of course...so no tightwads). Roscoe hit on a really good point. If you're making a 4-pt, 4-veneer cue with inlays, stitch rings, etc. (a Szamboti style cue) which a lot of people have done LOTS and LOTS over the years, you are bound to see cues that are VERY similar...maybe even to the point of looking like a copy of something. There's only a finite amount of arrangements with standard diamond and dot shapes where the design is centered in the butt sleeve, tasteful/appealing, and you don't have problems with the inlays turning out (i.e. on some of the old Paradises where he put the slotted diamonds in sideways....you can see where he lost the edges of the inlay when it was turned around the curvature of the butt).
Also, that slotted ring above the wrap has been done by quite a few cuemakers over the years. But I'm sure that the specs (diameter, slot width, etc.) are all a little different. We have a Tom Harris cue that was made in about 1977-78 with that same ring as yours (maple with black/red/black slots) only it's thinner. And your cue isn't a "copy" of that.
In all seriousness, that's one great looking cue Barry made for you....a SUPER nice one to have. I have always liked Barry's cues with abalone...they are some of my favorites. Keep enjoying it !!!
merylane said:
Agreed, these designs have become pretty much generic at this point.
Here's a good story I like to tell. I was selling cues for a long time maker who had this beautiful ring pattern that really stood out. I thought he designed it, then one day I saw a Billy Stroud cue from the 1970's with the exact same pattern, right down to the exact number of inlays.
I told my friend about the pattern. He blurted out "He copied Ernie!"
That always cracks me up.
Chris
iconcue said:barbara
i have a solution for you. i will give you $4200 for that used barry. the mottey copy will not bother me at all. you can then purchase the brand new mottey copy from bushwacker for $2100 and put the extra $2100 in the bank. you would end up with a new cue, $2100 in the bank, and won't have to worry about barry making a copy of the mottey!
jeff
You'll have to pry that baby from my cold dead fingers!
I love that cue! I also sent Fast and Loose a pic of the Justis case that does justice to the cue.
Barbara