Calling Gabe Owen - 10 ahead

[Marop]

Why would John S. not be a BIG favorite against Chamat?


I'd have to say Schmidt would be favored by a minimum of 10-15 games in a race to 100 against MC.

I just spoke to John, while he is flattered that some of you think he would be a favorite over Marcus, he wants it known that the match would be an all out war. He has watched Marcus for many years and knows the caliber of player he is. In his words he would rather go dirt biking.

He also said that if anybody on the planet wants to spot Marcus 15 games going to 100 than he is all in on Marcus.

 

[bud green]

If Shane, Alex, Orcullo, Bustamente, Manolo, Deuel, Wu, Yang, Hatch, set up a race to 100, 15 on the wire versus Marcus, I'm in for at least 500. I just think overall, they will win by an average better than 20-17 if you break it down to races to 20.

I'm surprised I don't have Johnny A on the list, but I just haven't seen him play much in awhile.

I know he plays great, but I don't think he's proven himself to be in the top tier as far as winning major titles other than in Europe. Guys like Gabe, Jeremy Jones, Stevie Moore, and maybe even guys like Hennesee seem to have at least as much ability. Is he a favorite against Kirkwood, Parica, Hillbilly, even Earl right now?

Again, seems like a cool guy, I just can't remember him winning anything in the US.

Feel free to blast away if I'm wrong.

 

[jay helfert]

If Shane, Alex, Orcullo, Bustamente, Manolo, Deuel, Wu, Yang, Hatch, set up a race to 100, 15 on the wire versus Marcus, I'm in for at least 500. I just think overall, they will win by an average better than 20-17 if you break it down to races to 20.

I'm surprised I don't have Johnny A on the list, but I just haven't seen him play much in awhile.

I know he plays great, but I don't think he's proven himself to be in the top tier as far as winning major titles other than in Europe. Guys like Gabe, Jeremy Jones, Stevie Moore, and maybe even guys like Hennesee seem to have at least as much ability. Is he a favorite against Kirkwood, Parica, Hillbilly, even Earl right now?

Again, seems like a cool guy, I just can't remember him winning anything in the US.

Feel free to blast away if I'm wrong.

Marcus has had many high finishes in major tournaments, even making the semifinals of the World 9-Ball Championships. He has won several big events in Europe with all the top players over there. The fact that he hasn't won more over here may be because he doesn't live here or come here frequently like some other European champions. The fact that he has a family and a business may have something to do with that as well.

If you think you can judge a top money player by his tournament record, I would have to disagree. Once again, the two are vastly different animals, and some players excel at one or the other. Marcus happens to be good at both. Just like Shane, Schmitty, Alex, Dennis, Alcano and a few others. Many tournament champions simply do not gamble. And some top money players do not often do well in tournaments. James Walden and Donnie Mills come to mind.

All that being said Marcus has always been a monster money player. He has more heart per square inch than anyone this side of Alex and more gamble than most on either side of the Atlantic. He is tough action for anyone and everyone, and has a winning record playing against top flight competition. There may be a handful of American players I would favor over him. You better bring your lunch if you're going to gamble with Marcus Chamat. Little Napolean is a warrior!

 

[jay helfert]

If Shane, Alex, Orcullo, Bustamente, Manolo, Deuel, Wu, Yang, Hatch, set up a race to 100, 15 on the wire versus Marcus, I'm in for at least 500. I just think overall, they will win by an average better than 20-17 if you break it down to races to 20.

I'm surprised I don't have Johnny A on the list, but I just haven't seen him play much in awhile.

I know he plays great, but I don't think he's proven himself to be in the top tier as far as winning major titles other than in Europe. Guys like Gabe, Jeremy Jones, Stevie Moore, and maybe even guys like Hennesee seem to have at least as much ability. Is he a favorite against Kirkwood, Parica, Hillbilly, even Earl right now?

Again, seems like a cool guy, I just can't remember him winning anything in the US.

Feel free to blast away if I'm wrong.

I doubt very much if you'll see (m)any of the players in your second group who are anxious to match up with Marcus. I don't think we'll see any of them calling him out. Parica once upon a time yes, but at age 60 I don't think so. Your first group is some of pool's elite players, but I also doubt if Corey or Manolo will be offering a handicap to Marcus anytime soon.

One of the most active players on here is Chris Bartram. Do you think he would go out of his way to make a game with little Marcus? Just ask him.

 

[billbOK]

Marcus has had many high finishes in major tournaments, even making the semifinals of the World 9-Ball Championships. He has won several big events in Europe with all the top players over there...

Marcus also was in the semifinals of the 2008 8 ball WPC, loosing to the winner Ralf Souquet IIRC.... -> 2 bronze medals in WPC...

He won three Eurotour (11 podiums) events and has two european tittles in both 8 and 9 ball (5 podiums).

But I will challenge him for a dunk contest for what he wants

 

[real bartram]

I doubt very much if you'll see (m)any of the players in your second group who are anxious to match up with Marcus. I don't think we'll see any of them calling him out. Parica once upon a time yes, but at age 60 I don't think so. Your first group is some of pool's elite players, but I also doubt if Corey or Manolo will be offering a handicap to Marcus anytime soon.

One of the most active players on here is Chris Bartram. Do you think he would go out of his way to make a game with little Marcus? Just ask him.

jay to answer you yes.
but not even.
i will take the 9 and last 2.
the thing is he wants to play a race i want 14 ahead.
and your right he is tough for the money.
so someone gets this to him ill play somewhere in the middle say atlanta ga 14ahead for 10000 .

 

[real bartram]

I doubt very much if you'll see (m)any of the players in your second group who are anxious to match up with Marcus. I don't think we'll see any of them calling him out. Parica once upon a time yes, but at age 60 I don't think so. Your first group is some of pool's elite players, but I also doubt if Corey or Manolo will be offering a handicap to Marcus anytime soon.

One of the most active players on here is Chris Bartram. Do you think he would go out of his way to make a game with little Marcus? Just ask him.

i think steve moore would beat him.
but steve would not play.

 

[jay helfert]

jay to answer you yes.
but not even.
i will take the 9 and last 2.
the thing is he wants to play a race i want 14 ahead.
and your right he is tough for the money.
so someone gets this to him ill play somewhere in the middle say atlanta ga 14ahead for 10000 .

So there you have it. A very good player asking for weight from Marcus. I rest my case.
One thing I like about Chris is that he is ready to rock anytime, anywhere with anybody. If he can get a fair game.

 

[jay helfert]

i think steve moore would beat him.
but steve would not play.

Thank you for confirming what I just said. Many very good players are not going to go looking to gamble with Marcus. There is better action out there.

 

[real bartram]

So there you have it. A very good player asking for weight from Marcus. I rest my case.
One thing I like about Chris is that he is ready to rock anytime, anywhere with anybody. If he can get a fair game.

like most of the time your right.

 

[bud green]

I agree with what you guys are saying. I just had a problem with the "anyone in the world" part regarding Marcus versus the top, top killers. I've just never seen him play good enough to think he'd beat a Shane (still have the Deuel race to 100 boggling my mind) or a Orcullo, Alex, etc...when they're in top gear, even with 15 games.

I mentioned the second tier because they seem as talented, and might win more than they lose, but I agree they might not want action that tough. Earl and Parica wouldn't be favorites now I guess, but is Marcus a big favorite over Hillbilly, Jeremy Jones, Hennessee (based on how he's played the last year)?

Chris B. plays great, but no I don't think he should play Marcus even. I do think that Stevie Moore or Hatch versus Marcus would be a good game though.

The last time I saw Marcus play in person, he was playing one pocket with Bruce B. of Athens, GA and it was pretty close. I think Bruce turned down weight at nine ball though.

 

[akaMe]

If you did not understand what I was saying, then it obviously was not meant for you.

 

[Thecoats]

Who would ever sacrifice their $ for him (not a babe)?...shady dumpster! Lipo is not answer!

This post makes no sense, who are you referring to?

-don

 

[corvette1340]

I agree with what you guys are saying. I just had a problem with the "anyone in the world" part regarding Marcus versus the top, top killers. I've just never seen him play good enough to think he'd beat a Shane (still have the Deuel race to 100 boggling my mind) or a Orcullo, Alex, etc...when they're in top gear, even with 15 games.

I mentioned the second tier because they seem as talented, and might win more than they lose, but I agree they might not want action that tough. Earl and Parica wouldn't be favorites now I guess, but is Marcus a big favorite over Hillbilly, Jeremy Jones, Hennessee (based on how he's played the last year)?

Chris B. plays great, but no I don't think he should play Marcus even. I do think that Stevie Moore or Hatch versus Marcus would be a good game though.

The last time I saw Marcus play in person, he was playing one pocket with Bruce B. of Athens, GA and it was pretty close. I think Bruce turned down weight at nine ball though.

when Marcus first came over here he got his ass blistered by Bruce playing even 9 ball for about $3,000 I believe. Of course that was about 10 years ago and about 312,000 beers ago for Bruce.

 

[corvette1340]

i think steve moore would beat him.
but steve would not play.

You are probably right about that Chris. If Marcus would like to offer Stevie 10 games going to 100 though, I will make him play, lol.

 

[Celtic]

If Shane, Alex, Orcullo, Bustamente, Manolo, Deuel, Wu, Yang, Hatch, set up a race to 100, 15 on the wire versus Marcus, I'm in for at least 500. I just think overall, they will win by an average better than 20-17 if you break it down to races to 20.


Feel free to blast away if I'm wrong.

Deuel or Hatch with 15 on the wire? There is no way in gods green earth that either of those players would dream of spotting Marcus. Either of those guys could get played straight up most likely if they want to put it out there to Marcus. Some of the other guys on the list like Orcollo, Yang, and Wu are in another league but if Marcus is shooting his top game he does not have to lose to them either.

I am thinking you don't quite know how good Marcus really plays, especially for cash.

I know he plays great, but I don't think he's proven himself to be in the top tier as far as winning major titles other than in Europe. Guys like Gabe, Jeremy Jones, Stevie Moore, and maybe even guys like Hennesee seem to have at least as much ability.

When a guy like Schmidt says he would rather go dirt biking then take this match that should tell you something about Marcus vs that second tier you mentioned, none of whom would jump at a chance to play JS atm.

Is he a favorite against Kirkwood, Parica, Hillbilly, even Earl right now?

I would be very surprised if anyone on that list would play Marcus in a ahead set like this for that kind of cash and if they did you are going to be hardpressed to find action on Marcus' side without giving up some sort of weight.