One thing I can say for certain is that I don't question the integrity of Buddy Hall. It is one at the very top in the pool world imo. I don't think anyone here who has spent any time with him would question his integrity, much less the peole who know him, even if it were 100% confirmed to be as Jay claims.
From what I have seen or read here though, people are only assuming what went down and/or why. And that includes Jay.
Bring it! I relish the counter suit, but it ain't gonna happen. I may lose a few brownie points is all.![]()
Interesting. I believe the universally accepted definition of integrity is "doing what's right even when no one is looking". That being the case, I could argue that feeding your kids is the right thing to do no matter how you do it.
But since I don't believe they were dumping to feed their kids, then I cannot respect their move.
uhhh, well depends on how you define feeding kids, but some if not all those guys were living pay day to pay day...and some had kids that they in fact had to ..uh.........feed and pay bills towards:wink:
I sincerely hope Buddy has changed and is now the upstanding citizen you see him as. I have personal knowledge of his actions and behavior in the late 80's just a few years before this fiasco.
One poster said that he can forgive them because it was a Casino that took the hit. Under different circumstances in years past, that kind of action
may have got you a ONE WAY trip to the desert.
I believe the 20/1 had a cap bet at $200.No matter how you reasonably define integrity, wether it's morals or honesty or whatever Buddy has it imo.
The way I sincerely see this is who really knows what happened? When $10,000 wins you $200,000 I could see a lot of different people getting involved who have nothing to do with pool. Of course I have no knowledge of anything like that happening but I'm just saying no one who has posted here knows anything imo and question in Buddy is wrong.
^^^^ this is just one hypothetical situation to point out that it is easy to assume but who knows for sure.
Just curious - who knocked Hopkins out of this Challenge? ...
• 1991 Challenge of Champions, First Round:
Hall def. Hopkins 5-3
Lebron d. Rempe 5-4
Davenport d. Sigel 5-4
Howard d. Varner 5-0
• Second Round (Semi-Finals):
Hall d. Davenport 5-3
Lebron d. Howard 5-3
• Finals:
Lebron d. Hall 9-8
buddy is a good guy. get that straight. what every is talking about is a few players that made a mistake and did a stupid thing in the past that didnt seem so bad at the time. it probably looked to them that the only one getting hurt was the casino. not many people feel sorry for the casino.
Sure would have been easier to have let Davenport play LeBron in the finals if there was a conspiracy.
The next question I have is why would Allen even play if he knew that the other seven players were conspiring against him?
Did he just figure to take his own shot knowing he had to win three matches? Nothing anyone could do if he won his matches.
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• 1991 Challenge of Champions, First Round:
Hall def. Hopkins 5-3
Lebron d. Rempe 5-4
Davenport d. Sigel 5-4
Howard d. Varner 5-0
• Second Round (Semi-Finals):
Hall d. Davenport 5-3
Lebron d. Howard 5-3
• Finals:
Lebron d. Hall 9-8
Allen was the only one not in on the deal. Buddy had to play to beat him. I had good reason not to be happy about "The Deal" since I was the TD. It made me a little sick to my stomach when I found out what was going on. I felt bad for my friend Matt Braun who had put this thing together. He was justifiably pissed and made sure that it never happened again and it didn't! Rempe took a dive and so did David. They're my friends but what they did here was just not cool. Like I said before, a long time ago but a black mark just the same. That one event will forever be tainted, kind of like the Black Sox Series in baseball.
The next question I have is why would Allen even play if he knew that the other seven players were conspiring against him?
Did he just figure to take his own shot knowing he had to win three matches? Nothing anyone could do if he won his matches.
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