Chuck Bobbit update

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jay helfert

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This may only be relevant to those in the Phoenix area and who attended the ill fated Desert Shootout back in April. But by now all of you know what happened. The "promoter" Chuck Bobbit wrote bad checks to all the top finishers in the event. Johnny, Mika, Mike Davis, John Schmidt, Charley Bryant all got stiffed, me included.

Mark Griffin bailed us out to the tune of .70 cents on the dollar. Bobbit was supposed to pay the other 30%. He made a big deal of telling me and others that he would get it taken care of quickly, certainly within a few months. Didn't happen! Now he's closed his business and quit communicating. He doesn't answer e-mails or phone calls. He still owes Johnny thousands and all told nearly ten grand to everyone who got bad checks.

I for one am not going to "forgive" this debt. I have all the paperwork from the Maricopa County sheriff's department for filing bad check charges on him. And I have his home address and driver's license number. If he refuses to communicate in the next week, I'm filing on his ass. This is my public notice to him. So if you see him around Phoenix tell him Jay says hi.
 
jay helfert said:
This may only be relevant to those in the Phoenix area and who attended the ill fated Desert Shootout back in April. But by now all of you know what happened. The "promoter" Chuck Bobbit wrote bad checks to all the top finishers in the event. Johnny, Mika, Mike Davis, John Schmidt, Charley Bryant all got stiffed, me included.

Mark Griffin bailed us out to the tune of .70 cents on the dollar. Bobbit was supposed to pay the other 30%. He made a big deal of telling me and others that he would get it taken care of quickly, certainly within a few months. Didn't happen! Now he's closed his business and quit communicating. He doesn't answer e-mails or phone calls. He still owes Johnny thousands and all told nearly ten grand to everyone who got bad checks.

I for one am not going to "forgive" this debt. I have all the paperwork from the Maricopa County sheriff's department for filing bad check charges on him. And I have his home address and driver's license number. If he refuses to communicate in the next week, I'm filing on his ass. This is my public notice to him. So if you see him around Phoenix tell him Jay says hi.
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Jay, I am guessing that you called his cell # etc. I am just wondering who has been trying to make contact with him and if his phone is still working. I am not sure it will do any good but I have his cell # I can try and call him later today and see if he has anything to say.
 
I applaud you for taking a stand, Jay. Being a pro is a tough gig, so the last thing we need is someone stiffing the competitors. Don't let him slip away.

I didn't pay attention to this story when it was developing, but I am impressed to hear that Mark Griffin stepped up yet again for the good of the game. That guy is a true asset to the industry.
 
jay helfert said:
This may only be relevant to those in the Phoenix area and who attended the ill fated Desert Shootout back in April. But by now all of you know what happened. The "promoter" Chuck Bobbit wrote bad checks to all the top finishers in the event. Johnny, Mika, Mike Davis, John Schmidt, Charley Bryant all got stiffed, me included.

Mark Griffin bailed us out to the tune of .70 cents on the dollar. Bobbit was supposed to pay the other 30%. He made a big deal of telling me and others that he would get it taken care of quickly, certainly within a few months. Didn't happen! Now he's closed his business and quit communicating. He doesn't answer e-mails or phone calls. He still owes Johnny thousands and all told nearly ten grand to everyone who got bad checks.

I for one am not going to "forgive" this debt. I have all the paperwork from the Maricopa County sheriff's department for filing bad check charges on him. And I have his home address and driver's license number. If he refuses to communicate in the next week, I'm filing on his ass. This is my public notice to him. So if you see him around Phoenix tell him Jay says hi.
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My understanding was that terms in acceptance of the 70% from Mark was an agreement not to litigate. Mark wanted to keep Chuck out of Jail.
 
I would like to say I am surprised but obviously I am not. 98% of the world is the same about money & once in that category they never come out. I applaud Jay Helfert for sticking to his guns & not letting up on this issue. Remember, I believe Jay was only out $300. He is still fighting for the players.

Bad is bad. Good is good. You cannot pick your morals & decide when you feel sorry for someone. There should be no gray area when it comes to your morals. Chuck is bad. I am sorry to say that, but there is no denying he knew the checks were bad when he wrote them and still has done nothing on HIS OWN to make this situation right.
 
watchez said:
I would like to say I am surprised but obviously I am not. 98% of the world is the same about money & once in that category they never come out. I applaud Jay Helfert for sticking to his guns & not letting up on this issue. Remember, I believe Jay was only out $300. He is still fighting for the players.

Bad is bad. Good is good. You cannot pick your morals & decide when you feel sorry for someone. There should be no gray area when it comes to your morals. Chuck is bad. I am sorry to say that, but there is no denying he knew the checks were bad when he wrote them and still has done nothing on HIS OWN to make this situation right.
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I guess I am just really curious how you know that statement for fact?????
 
BRKNRUN said:
I guess I am just really curious how you know that statement for fact?????
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Has he paid a nickel out of his pocket? Has he contacted Jay or any of the other players the past few months so say he needs more time? Has he used his good name & credit standing that he has accomplished in his years of life to borrow the money from a loan institution? Has he done anything but hope this situation goes away? From the previous thread on this, Mark Griffin bought the tables in order for ANY money to get paid to the players. Without Mark, the players would have gotten nothing but the rubber checks that Chuck wrote.
 
I know this isnt popular opinion but i think it should be let go at this point. The guy got in over his head imo. Im sure he didnt close his businesses if they were making money. The guy is busted unlike other promotors who took the money and ran.

If he ever gets flush, I think he will pay.In the meantime, i dont think you should chase him.
 
watchez said:
Has he paid a nickel out of his pocket? Has he contacted Jay or any of the other players the past few months so say he needs more time? Has he used his good name & credit standing that he has accomplished in his years of life to borrow the money from a loan institution? Has he done anything but hope this situation goes away? From the previous thread on this, Mark Griffin bought the tables in order for ANY money to get paid to the players. Without Mark, the players would have gotten nothing but the rubber checks that Chuck wrote.
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In other words....NO you don't know....otherwise you would not be asking the above questions..

The only thing you DO know is that Mark bought the tables from him...And you are only assuming that no one else would have bought them if Mark did not but them.

The FACT is that Chuck had activly listed the tables for sale "before" Mark offered to buy them.....So the FACT is Chuck DID did activily do something to rectify the situation.
 
BRKNRUN said:
In other words....NO you don't know....otherwise you would not be asking the above questions..
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Those were rhetorical questions.

Facts are the players and Jay got stiffed. Chuck wrote checks knowing they were bad. Chuck has not paid a nickel out of his pocket to any of the players. The money that was suppose to be added not only wasn't added but money was taken out of the tournament. Chuck is now not responding to Jay or anyone else and has cut off any chance of communication.

I will bet you $10,000 that in 4 months I could borrow or come up with $10,000. In fact, I will bet $10,000 that if I got ahold of Chuck I could help him borrow $10,000 in 4 months.
 
BRKNRUN said:
In other words....NO you don't know....otherwise you would not be asking the above questions..

The only thing you DO know is that Mark bought the tables from him...And you are only assuming that no one else would have bought them if Mark did not but them.

The FACT is that Chuck had activly listed the tables for sale "before" Mark offered to buy them.....So the FACT is Chuck DID did activily do something to rectify the situation.
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Holy $hit! What is your point? Chuck has not come up with his end of the deal, even though his exposure was reduced by 70%.

And you defend his failure to keep his word on 2 deals by pointing us to some tables he had for-sale?! I might be of the opinion that he intended to require a pre-viewing deposit on $9, then steal that too.

Unfuggigugin believable!
 
watchez said:
Those were rhetorical questions.

Facts are the players and Jay got stiffed. Chuck wrote checks knowing they were bad. Chuck has not paid a nickel out of his pocket to any of the players. The money that was suppose to be added not only wasn't added but money was taken out of the tournament. Chuck is now not responding to Jay or anyone else and has cut off any chance of communication.

I will bet you $10,000 that in 4 months I could borrow or come up with $10,000. In fact, I will bet $10,000 that if I got ahold of Chuck I could help him borrow $10,000 in 4 months.
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Get real...like I am really going to bet 10K that you can come up with 10K..I may look like a sucker...I may even play pool like a sucker...but last I checked I am not a sucker....;)

Reality is that I am sure he could use some help if he is now out of business.

Chuck sold the tables to help start paying off the debt...Isn't that money out of his pocket......(liquified assets)

I don't know if you have noticed since your avitar is a grandstand with you standing there holding a wad of cash....You are apparantly flush and have no debt worries... but times are tough in today's economy.

Alexanders is now closed...(This was where the tables were sold from and where Chuck frequented the most)

Chuck has apparantly lost his business...(aka source of income)...and I doubt he could readily sell a house (if he owns one) in todays market since brand new freshly built homes are sitting empty, half built developments have stopped building, foreclusures are happening left and right and investors are tucking tail and running because they can't get their investment properties sold (or even rented)

Chuck is not a spring chicken...I doubt he is going to find a job opportunity that he is physically capable of doing very quickly...

It is super easy for you to sit back in your sheas lounge and cast stones at people that you have probably never even met.......enjoy your speculation and rhetorical questions...
 
Black-Balled said:
Holy $hit! What is your point? Chuck has not come up with his end of the deal, even though his exposure was reduced by 70%.

And you defend his failure to keep his word on 2 deals by pointing us to some tables he had for-sale?! I might be of the opinion that he intended to require a pre-viewing deposit on $9, then steal that too.

Unfuggigugin believable!
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I don't think I am defending is failure.. He got in over his head...mad bad business decisions etc. etc. etc.

What I am saying is quit your ****ing speculation when you don't know shit about shit.

Jay made a formal post...There is nothing wrong with what Jay did...its the idiots that jump on and start a speculation **** fest that bothers me....

That is what is Unfuggigugin believable!
 
I like to lay on my couch - no lounge chair for me.

I used to work 3 jobs. Now I only work 2.

Chuck has had 120 days to come up with $10,000 (if I am wrong on this figure, please correct me but that is what I remember). Let's do some simple math - $10,000 / 120 days = $83.00 needed per day. That would be a pretty good part time job to come up with the $83. However, if he got, say a job at Walmart, making $10 an hour and worked 5 hours a day, say 7PM - Midnight, he would have 1/2 the money he owed. Surely, if he came to the parties he owed and told his tale that he was out working at Walmart to help make this right & handed over $5,000 now- they would be understanding and give him more time to come up with the rest of the $$$ in another 4 months.

Anyways, people have stated that Chuck is a great guy that just had one bad experience & poor timing with this experience. All I am saying is that surely he has made acquaintances that don't want to see this man dragged down & would step up to help him out.
 
All this very unfortuante... for EVERYONE. I am not taking anyone's side, especially not Chuck B's. However, if I remember correctly he had a year to make the standings good. It may be long time to wait, but I think everyone had agreed to that term.

And for Chuck B, not communicating back... the man had just lost his business. I think he probably feels way too overwhelmed by now... Maybe give him some space and let him gather himself?

I don't know the man personally... but I do hope he honors his end of the bargain.

S.
 
watchez said:
I like to lay on my couch - no lounge chair for me.

I used to work 3 jobs. Now I only work 2.

Chuck has had 120 days to come up with $10,000 (if I am wrong on this figure, please correct me but that is what I remember). Let's do some simple math - $10,000 / 120 days = $83.00 needed per day. That would be a pretty good part time job to come up with the $83. However, if he got, say a job at Walmart, making $10 an hour and worked 5 hours a day, say 7PM - Midnight, he would have 1/2 the money he owed. Surely, if he came to the parties he owed and told his tale that he was out working at Walmart to help make this right & handed over $5,000 now- they would be understanding and give him more time to come up with the rest of the $$$ in another 4 months.

Anyways, people have stated that Chuck is a great guy that just had one bad experience & poor timing with this experience. All I am saying is that surely he has made acquaintances that don't want to see this man dragged down & would step up to help him out.
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That sounds like a viable plan. I don't have any idea if Chuck has tried to seek out an option like that or not.....No Clue...

I have not seen Chuck since this whole event happened and Alexanders is now closed and that is usually where I crossed paths with him.

I don't know the rest of his life story and don't care to speculate.

All I know is that Jay posted that Chuck stopped communicating with him. Why that is I don't know...and I don't care to specualte why either.

You are correct that Chuck should be communicating with the parties involved...I am not sure if he is or isn't and/or if Jay is the someone he should be communicating with...I am not privy to all the details of the situation....All I now is that Jay posted he stopped communicating.

I am sure if someone local sees him as bfdlad posted they will let Chuck know to contact Jay......Other than that I have no clue who he has or has not contacted.
 
sunnyday said:
All this very unfortuante... for EVERYONE. I am not taking anyone's side, especially not Chuck B's. However, if I remember correctly he had a year to make the standings good. It may be long time to wait, but I think everyone had agreed to that term.

And for Chuck B, not communicating back... the man had just lost his business. I think he probably feels way too overwhelmed by now... Maybe give him some space and let him gather himself?

I don't know the man personally... but I do hope he honors his end of the bargain.

S.
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Look Sunny, here is how I feel about this. We NEVER put any time frame in writing, just agreed to give him time to make good. He told me then, that he would have it paid off in three months or less. That time frame has come and gone, and now he does not answer my calls or e-mails.

He has lied to me over and over again from the get go. I don't owe him one more day!
 
My bad...

jay helfert said:
Look Sunny, here is how I feel about this. We NEVER put any time frame in writing, just agreed to give him time to make good. He told me then, that he would have it paid off in three months or less. That time frame has come and gone, and now he does not answer my calls or e-mails.

He has lied to me over and over again from the get go. I don't owe him one more day!
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Sorry Jay, I was confused thinking he was given a year...

I wasn't trying to make any excuses for CB or to say he deserves any pardoning... he did many things wrong here, but I don't think his intention in the beginning to rip people off. Just things start to go wrong and he eventually lost control of EVERYTHING.

I do hope someone gets his attention for him to settle this out of court.

Good luck to you and everyone who needs settling.

S.
 
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