Turned the volume off, was better then.
commentators get your stuff together
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It's a FREE stream if you don't like the content, commentating....etc.... The red X in the corner of your browser could save you from all the problems you seem to be experiencing with something that is FREE . You didn't pay any money for the product you were viewing for FREE.
This reminds me of the homeless bum that ask me for money-spare change because he hasn't had anything to eat, so I tell him I won't give him any money but I will go across the street and buy him something to eat at KFC and he replies I don't like chicken. Hey it was FREE .....but it didn't taste like Wild Irish Rose
This reminds me of the homeless bum that ask me for money-spare change because he hasn't had anything to eat, so I tell him I won't give him any money but I will go across the street and buy him something to eat at KFC and he replies I don't like chicken. Hey it was FREE .....but it didn't taste like Wild Irish Rose
I watched the Wang match. It wasn't that bad. There was a lot of downtime in between racks and shots. Alvin did commentate on specific shots. I'm not exactly sure what you expect, I have heard lots of matches Alvin commentates on and they are all about the same. I mean it was a random match, in a pool tournament in the middle of nowhere streamed on location for free. Be happy you get to see it at all, and don't be like that, Alvin tells some cool stories.
One of the products my company produces (a digital magazine) is free too. But we work extremely hard to make sure it is the best it can be. We constantly solicit customer input and take their recommendations to heart.
Our revenue is from advertisers, just like InsidePool's revenue is from sponsors. But the viewer (in our case, the reader) is king. None of our editors are allowed to cut corners just because "it's free." I'd fire any of the editors who said "What do they expect? It's free."
Free is no excuse for second class. Does it cost any more to do reasonable commentary? No. You just have to care about the viewer. Alvin clearly doesn't care.
Our revenue is from advertisers, just like InsidePool's revenue is from sponsors. But the viewer (in our case, the reader) is king. None of our editors are allowed to cut corners just because "it's free." I'd fire any of the editors who said "What do they expect? It's free."
Free is no excuse for second class. Does it cost any more to do reasonable commentary? No. You just have to care about the viewer. Alvin clearly doesn't care.
This comparison is absurd.
Surprised to see so many people accept the minimum.
We need leaders to push the limits of pool and the commentators and providers of streams in billiards have a bigger responsibility than they think.
I agree with the people here that expect more. The amount of time guys like Alvin put into pool shouldn't be an excuse for poor commentary.
Using excuses for free live streams and poor commentary from professionals going through "hard times" is weak, as Incardona would say. Matchroom wouldn't even think about the standards we accept, and that's pretty poor.
P.S. I'm not joking. How many years have we heard the same songs used for the Mosconi Cup. "American Man" is so overplayed it's not even funny.
We need leaders to push the limits of pool and the commentators and providers of streams in billiards have a bigger responsibility than they think.
I agree with the people here that expect more. The amount of time guys like Alvin put into pool shouldn't be an excuse for poor commentary.
Using excuses for free live streams and poor commentary from professionals going through "hard times" is weak, as Incardona would say. Matchroom wouldn't even think about the standards we accept, and that's pretty poor.
P.S. I'm not joking. How many years have we heard the same songs used for the Mosconi Cup. "American Man" is so overplayed it's not even funny.
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I think these guys are great
Anyone at a big event have any idea who works the hardest in the building for us to enjoy the event, setting up tables, setting up the cameras, the microphones, the various other broadcasting necessities - yup, Alvin Nelson, a super nice guy who I'm sure was jokingly saying "idiots in the chat rooms" because most of us are his friends. I think Jay and Joey are doing a great job, used to love Danny but he has gotten quite "grumpy" and treats his co hosts rather badly. I really likeBilly Incardona too!
Anyone at a big event have any idea who works the hardest in the building for us to enjoy the event, setting up tables, setting up the cameras, the microphones, the various other broadcasting necessities - yup, Alvin Nelson, a super nice guy who I'm sure was jokingly saying "idiots in the chat rooms" because most of us are his friends. I think Jay and Joey are doing a great job, used to love Danny but he has gotten quite "grumpy" and treats his co hosts rather badly. I really likeBilly Incardona too!
every time I've watched your streams I've enjoyed it. I hope you continue to stream tournaments.
I have a financial question though- if most of your streams are free, how do make money from this endeavor? I know you have sponsors, but is that enough?
I can tell you this. It's not easy and he does it because he LOVES pool.
If he was doing this for financial reasons he would of stopped after the first week.
JC
Coos Cues
I watched the POV pool stream in silence last night for quite some time. Nice stream, good pool being played. Then I inquired in chat about brackets. Daniel who had been chatting nonstop there for at least an hour gave me a link to a shaky video of the bracket board about 4 hours old. (That is still the most up to date info as I write this). I suggested politely that they should have a PDF of the bracket up because it makes the entire event much more enjoyable to follow. I was told by the still chatting Daniel that he has a "million things to do" and besides "the stream is free". I said that it's not that much work to do that if you already have a web site up and running and was told "enough talk about that". Then he went back to babbling about non pool related crap with his buddies. He could have built and posted a PDF in less time than he was spending there.
Right now on that stream there are still a lot of questions about who's left, who's playing who etc that there is no answer to be found. Sometimes free is just too expensive to waste one's time on. I will never understand why someone would spend their time with something as complex as streaming and accept a bad experience for the viewer because it's free for them to watch.
JC
Right now on that stream there are still a lot of questions about who's left, who's playing who etc that there is no answer to be found. Sometimes free is just too expensive to waste one's time on. I will never understand why someone would spend their time with something as complex as streaming and accept a bad experience for the viewer because it's free for them to watch.
JC
Problem Sovled
Look, I'm not hating on anyone. Let that be clear from the get-go.
But I get what the viewers are saying about not having quality commentary on the free live streams. Sometimes, when I play in an event and do commentary I even disgust myself. It's exhausting trying to play competitive pool in an event, do commentary, help with the live stream and hang out with your pool buddies. When you get tired, you don't do anything very well, except maybe sleep.
Live-Streamers (the guys that really do the heavy-lifting) setting up and maintaining the broadcast have so much to do, they really don't have time to do commentary. By the time they get finished setting up, they need a rest but instead they grind out commentary for the viewers and listeners.
If those who are so "vocal" about not having the kind of commentary that you would like to see, how about offering to PAY for the kind of commentary that you want to hear?
Just give the Live-Streamer a shout-out and tell them that you will help pay for some quality commentary. Seriously, if it is important to you, maybe you can chip in some decent money to bring in some quality commentary. I'm not shaking the trees for another gig at the moment so it's not for me.
Tell the Live-Streamer that you think his commentary sucks and that you are willing to pay good money to hear quality commentary. Some of the Live-Streamers can't afford to pay for quality commentary as it stands or they would already have it.
When telling the Live Streamer that their commentary sucks, at least be fair enough to them to tell them what a great job they do in providing the free live stream. Then, tell them who you would like to hear and tell them how much your favorite commentator should be paid. Be fair about that because the vast majority of pool commentators have other jobs/businesses that pay the majority of their bills.
So there you have it, instead of pissing and moaning about what wrong with the commentary that you hear, put your money where your mouth is. Contact any of the following live streamers and offer afinancial solution to their problem:
www.poolactiontv.com Ray Hansen
www.insidepoolmag.com JR Calvert/Alvin
www.povpool.com Daniel
www.theactionreport.com Justin
www.emeraldbilliards.com Keith
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/fourstatespooltv UNK
www.wpbltv.com Larry
www.accu-stats.com Pat Fleming
http://www.actionpooltour.com/live-streaming.html UNK
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/cpa-southern-ontario-pool-leagues
http://www.ontherailtv.com/ Lenny
sorry if I left out your favorite live streamer but seriously, these guys need your financial help to bring you better commentary. Give them a call and ask them or tell them what you can offer to help them to bring you quality commentary. Don't be shy either. Tell them who you want to hear and who you don't want to hear doing commentary.
But before you make the call, think about what you think the commentator should be paid for their time and how much their expenses will be to do the commentary.
Guys like Big Truck, Alvin, Daniel, Lenny and others are working their nutz off, need your help. Tell them that you want to help them hire quality commentary and that you are willing to pay for it. If you want to provide your own personal commentary services for free, tell them so. They might put you on speed-dial.
The bottom line is the Live Streamers already have too much on their plate, are over-worked, under-paid, under-appreciated and can't afford to pay for the Billy Incardonas of the world on a regular basis. YOU CAN HELP FIX THE PROBLEM, SEND IN YOUR MONEY.
Look, I'm not hating on anyone. Let that be clear from the get-go.
But I get what the viewers are saying about not having quality commentary on the free live streams. Sometimes, when I play in an event and do commentary I even disgust myself. It's exhausting trying to play competitive pool in an event, do commentary, help with the live stream and hang out with your pool buddies. When you get tired, you don't do anything very well, except maybe sleep.
Live-Streamers (the guys that really do the heavy-lifting) setting up and maintaining the broadcast have so much to do, they really don't have time to do commentary. By the time they get finished setting up, they need a rest but instead they grind out commentary for the viewers and listeners.
If those who are so "vocal" about not having the kind of commentary that you would like to see, how about offering to PAY for the kind of commentary that you want to hear?
Just give the Live-Streamer a shout-out and tell them that you will help pay for some quality commentary. Seriously, if it is important to you, maybe you can chip in some decent money to bring in some quality commentary. I'm not shaking the trees for another gig at the moment so it's not for me.
Tell the Live-Streamer that you think his commentary sucks and that you are willing to pay good money to hear quality commentary. Some of the Live-Streamers can't afford to pay for quality commentary as it stands or they would already have it.
When telling the Live Streamer that their commentary sucks, at least be fair enough to them to tell them what a great job they do in providing the free live stream. Then, tell them who you would like to hear and tell them how much your favorite commentator should be paid. Be fair about that because the vast majority of pool commentators have other jobs/businesses that pay the majority of their bills.
So there you have it, instead of pissing and moaning about what wrong with the commentary that you hear, put your money where your mouth is. Contact any of the following live streamers and offer afinancial solution to their problem:
www.poolactiontv.com Ray Hansen
www.insidepoolmag.com JR Calvert/Alvin
www.povpool.com Daniel
www.theactionreport.com Justin
www.emeraldbilliards.com Keith
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/fourstatespooltv UNK
www.wpbltv.com Larry
www.accu-stats.com Pat Fleming
http://www.actionpooltour.com/live-streaming.html UNK
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/cpa-southern-ontario-pool-leagues
http://www.ontherailtv.com/ Lenny
sorry if I left out your favorite live streamer but seriously, these guys need your financial help to bring you better commentary. Give them a call and ask them or tell them what you can offer to help them to bring you quality commentary. Don't be shy either. Tell them who you want to hear and who you don't want to hear doing commentary.
But before you make the call, think about what you think the commentator should be paid for their time and how much their expenses will be to do the commentary.
Guys like Big Truck, Alvin, Daniel, Lenny and others are working their nutz off, need your help. Tell them that you want to help them hire quality commentary and that you are willing to pay for it. If you want to provide your own personal commentary services for free, tell them so. They might put you on speed-dial.
The bottom line is the Live Streamers already have too much on their plate, are over-worked, under-paid, under-appreciated and can't afford to pay for the Billy Incardonas of the world on a regular basis. YOU CAN HELP FIX THE PROBLEM, SEND IN YOUR MONEY.
I think they should pay us to listen to them! Cheers:grin:
Excellent post, JoeyA. Those are definitely some of pool's unsung heroes. Tap, tap, tap.
Not sure which one of the streams I was watching, but the announcer said ," I have no idea why they ask me up here cause I hate one pocket and never play it."
However, most of the guys that are in the booth do a good job. I can imagine that it is tougher than it seems.---Smitty
However, most of the guys that are in the booth do a good job. I can imagine that it is tougher than it seems.---Smitty
okrad1337
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Some "brand-new member" joins today and slams the commentator from InsidePOOL, a free livestream.
I didn't hear the broadcast, but at least it was free. Not everybody can afford to pay for seasoned or experienced commentators for free livestreams, so it is what it is.
On a good note, be happy it was free and kept you up to date on the happenings.
Who is more qualified here? A person who actually watched the stream, heard the commentary, or a person who did not watch the stream, but has been on forums for a longer time...
I have watched the stream, and the commentary was just TERRIBLE, i know it's free, yes, i do, but it's still disrespectfull toward the viewer, even though it's free...that's how bad it was...yawning, cellphone vibrating, shouting, chewing...almost a parody of "normal" commentary..
Join date means nothing, there are many prime examples of that, with constant off topic spam in many topics...
I'd direct you to check out the recent James Walden threads, but a few of them have been deleted due to new member accounts posted by one multiple-identitied poster for the sole purpose to slam someone, you know, kind of like this thread.
You're a little late to the thread. Stick around and read some before you insert the proverbial foot in mouth.
"Problem solved" would be to cut commentary to the absolute minimum: At the beginning of each rack tell us what the score is. Use the remainder of the time to: rest & relax, find out scores of other matches, etc.
JoeyA, JayH and others do a great job of commentary when they're focused on the game (which is most of the time). But some of the commentators just blab on about anything but what's happening on the table. Bad commentary is distracting. It's like having two drunks sitting behind you at a sporting event arguing about politics and religion.
Turn up the table volume so we can feel like we're "ring-side."
As I've said before, I admire and appreciate free streamers dedication and hard work. That doesn't mean that everything they do is the right thing to do.
JoeyA, JayH and others do a great job of commentary when they're focused on the game (which is most of the time). But some of the commentators just blab on about anything but what's happening on the table. Bad commentary is distracting. It's like having two drunks sitting behind you at a sporting event arguing about politics and religion.
Turn up the table volume so we can feel like we're "ring-side."
As I've said before, I admire and appreciate free streamers dedication and hard work. That doesn't mean that everything they do is the right thing to do.